3 rookie QBs played today, and they all struggled

[MikeT22]

Nobody said we can't still try to find the next franchise QB even though we still have Dak.

We traded for Trey Lance for a reason.

Until we have our next franchise QB, Dak's our guy.

We traded for a QB who SF gave up on. But to Jerry that was our legit effort to find our next franchise QB. Totally laughable.

Lance cant even beat out Rush.

 

[Flamma]

Why are you so against paying for a good QB? It's not your money.

Are you aware that there is a cap? Look it up. If there was no cap, who cares what they pay Dak, you can still stack the team around him like they did QBs of the past. But in case you haven't noticed, our front office is a bit stingy when it comes to stacking the team. Look at our run game, and no deep threats at WR. Do you think Jerry could have addressed that? He wasn't even interested.

 

[Momanpr100]

They will say some garbage like top picks goes to bad teams, which is true. But will also ignore the fact we was picking #4 the year we got Dak lol.

 

[OGSixshooter]

They will say some garbage like top picks goes to bad teams, which is true. But will also ignore the fact we was picking #4 the year we got Dak lol.

We were bad because we had bad QBing with no RB the year before. We then drafted Zeke got decent QBing in Dak...and that changed. Romo could have led that team though....so you are right in saying we did have a good team...but that draft also uplifted the team.

 

[DallasInDC]

Are you aware that there is a cap? Look it up. If there was no cap, who cares what they, you can still stack the team around him like they did QBs of the past. But in case you haven't noticed, our front office is a bit stingy when it comes to stacking the team. Look at our run game, and no deep threats at WR. Do you think Jerry could have addressed that? He wasn't even interested.

Yet, he wasn't real interested in stacking the team during Daks rookie deal...or Romo on his. That excuse isn't gonna fly.

 

[Flamma]

Yet, he wasn't real interested in stacking the team during Daks rookie deal...or Romo on his. That excuse isn't gonna fly.

I can't argue. You're right. His off season SOP was the same.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Are you aware that there is a cap? Look it up. If there was no cap, who cares what they pay Dak, you can still stack the team around him like they did QBs of the past. But in case you haven't noticed, our front office is a bit stingy when it comes to stacking the team. Look at our run game, and no deep threats at WR. Do you think Jerry could have addressed that? He wasn't even interested.

Yeah thats the piece that gets overlooked. It really isnt about Dak as much as it is keeping the rest of the team intact.

 

[darthseinfeld]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
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Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

The worst is probably Maye who didnt play because he couldn't beat out Jacoby Brissett

 

[Flamma]

Yeah thats the piece that gets overlooked. It really isnt about Dak as much as it is keeping the rest of the team intact.

He was asking why I care since I don't pay them. I don't. If there was no cap I couldn't care less. The cap makes everyone care.

 

[thunderpimp91]

He was asking why I care since I don't pay them. I don't. If there was no cap I couldn't care less. The cap makes everyone care.

Not when the only thing some care about is the QB

 

[conner01]

The Chiefs had a good QB in Alex Smith.

They drafted Mahomes, saw what they had in him AND THEN they got rid of Smith.

See how that works?

There's literally no good reason to get rid of a damn good QB like Dak without a viable alternative available.

Nobody chooses QB purgatory.

If Trey Lance had lit it up all preseason, the Dak negotiations might've been very different. Maybe we'd have looked to trade Dak and roll with the younger and cheaper Lance.

But he didn't. Instead, Lance was another harsh reminder of how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak.

Exactly. If you want to replace your QB you have to have a WB to replace him with. If we just look at this draft class you see so many reached for QB’s. Some may end up being avg, some bust and maybe a couple end up top half of the league players. The one that ends up being the best may not even be one of the first rnd guys. It’s the hardest position to draft

 

[DallasEast]

Not when the only thing some care about is the QB

^ Truth but I would say primarily care. And some, who primarily care, have sat on both sides of the Dallas quarterback fence for decades.

 

[DallasInDC]

I can't argue. You're right. His off season SOP was the same.

That's what makes this so frustrating... the argument would be legit if he showed a propensity to do what is necessary to win at the ultimate level (beyond just regular season). Then the debate over money spent vs outcomes and how you deploy tlall available money makes sense. But in his current mode of operation, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Reid1boys]

This thread is just as bad as the 'Dak was below average' thread as it's nothing more than a cherry picked narrative thread.

Also if I'm the poster you don't want to embarrass, please feel free to do so, I'm happy to have the conversation. I've said multiple times that it's easier in the modern game to find QBs and I still think that is true. That doesn't mean its automatic, and that quote was also directed at teams with talented rosters having an easier time finding good QBs. It's why Sam Darnold was a backup QB who looked really good yesterday. It's why Baker Mayfield who no one wanted on their team 18 months ago had one of the best weeks in the entire league yesterday in addition to winning a playoff game last year. Gardner Minshew didn't get the win, but outplayed a lot of really good QBs going 25-33 for 257. Teams are finding QBs in a variety of ways with more success than ever coming from free agency and trades.

Teams are finding QBs, not THE QB. You are not getting josh Allen or Mahomes in free agency. As someone else said, for Every Mahomes, youhave 10 busts.
Starting in 2013 an dusing 2014, 2015 and 2016 drafts, check this out.
Here are the top 3 qbs from 2013 and then top 4 QBs drafted in 14,15 and 16. Not all 1st rd picks:

EJ manuel, Geno Smith, Matt Barkely, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota (those 2 were take 1 and 2 in 1st rd) Garret Grayson, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz (also 1,2 picks of 1st rd) Christian Hackenburgh, Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler.

So ina 4 year span starting in 2013, the top picks at qb were a couple of avg and the rest all busts. Jared Goff is the best of all those listed, and that isnt exactly inspiring. Drafting a qb and starting over while we could resign Dak ould have been insane.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Teams are finding QBs, not THE QB. You are not getting josh Allen or Mahomes in free agency. As someone else said, for Every Mahomes, youhave 10 busts.
Starting in 2013 an dusing 2014, 2015 and 2016 drafts, check this out.
Here are the top 3 qbs from 2013 and then top 4 QBs drafted in 14,15 and 16. Not all 1st rd picks:

EJ manuel, Geno Smith, Matt Barkely, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota (those 2 were take 1 and 2 in 1st rd) Garret Grayson, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz (also 1,2 picks of 1st rd) Christian Hackenburgh, Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler.

So ina 4 year span starting in 2013, the top picks at qb were a couple of avg and the rest all busts. Jared Goff is the best of all those listed, and that isnt exactly inspiring. Drafting a qb and starting over while we could resign Dak ould have been insane.

I think a lot of people are fine with a solid QB even if its not THE QB though, that's the whole point. You can make the post season in this league with average if you keep the rest of your team up to par. Personally I'm not obsessed with finding the elite QB. I would focus on the other 21 players, but there are different ways to build a playoff team.

 

[Nav22]

The worst is probably Maye who didnt play because he couldn't beat out Jacoby Brissett

Great point.

 

[Nav22]

Are you aware that there is a cap? Look it up. If there was no cap, who cares what they pay Dak, you can still stack the team around him like they did QBs of the past. But in case you haven't noticed, our front office is a bit stingy when it comes to stacking the team. Look at our run game, and no deep threats at WR. Do you think Jerry could have addressed that? He wasn't even interested.

Were we spending big when Dak was on a cheap rookie deal? Nope.

Dak's extension actually lowered his cap hit. I saw somewhere that we'll have the 12th-most cap space in the NFL next season.

 

[Nav22]

We traded for a QB who SF gave up on. But to Jerry that was our legit effort to find our next franchise QB. Totally laughable.

Lance cant even beat out Rush.

It was a low risk/high reward move. I was all for the Lance trade.

LOL, you make a good point about SF giving up on him though - if they thought he really had something, would they have traded him to the hated Cowboys? The 49ers are actually run very well.

 

[Nav22]

Says the same guy who was singing a very different tune after Prescott's early struggles in the Green Bay playoff game was a huge reason why the game got out of hand and we got curb stomped.

What, no complaining about the Washington defense giving up on the first drive? No belly aching about poor coaching and poor game plans for Jayden Daniels?

But, please, carry on with your hypocrisy. No Emojis needed on my end

LOL, what?

Dak sucked vs Green Bay and was a huge reason we got slapped around that day. I've never once denied that or made excuses for him.

Here's the part where you feel silly for hyping a QB who trailed 37-13 until scoring late yesterday.

 

[Nav22]

yeah having a guy who chokes in the playoffs is so much better
Jethro minions are so predictable

There's like 4 QBs in the entire NFL who have won a Super Bowl as a starting QB.

Why hasn't every other team tossed their QB in the trash?

Would you pay Josh Allen if you were running the Bills?