4 best (and 2 worst) Cowboys trades under Jerry Jones

Diehardblues

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That is a discussion but your chosen reason of to discret Jimmy Johnson is completely off mark as to posted intent.

Are both Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson both in the Hall of Fame? Yes they are and for what occurred when they both came to Dallas.

Fact is they both came in at the same time and both were needed for their success. Both, not just Jimmy's rewards. That is on the level of ethical respect. Don't return again to changing words to return to one's own motivation of credits for success.

What sporting venues do that as well? Basketball, hockey, baseball, soccer?
Jimmys HOF induction is for his impact and success on the football field. Jethros induction was as a contributor NOT football related.

Jimmy is one of the most beloved figures in Cowboys history. Jethro voted the most hated sports personality in DFW area. Which side of Cowboys history do you want to be behind?
 

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When the team was winning Super Bowls in the mid 1990s, Jones looked at every option to keep the momentum going. If that meant adding Deion Sanders on a massive contract, he was willing to open his wallet. If it meant adding a veteran quarterback in Bernie Kosar when Troy Aikman was injured in 1993, he went and signed him. The moves paid off then, but Jones has pulled back since some moves went south.

Dallas made some big trades this offseason, but it has been a few years since Jones was willing to bring in players with resumes like Stephon Gillmore and Brandin Cooks. Some of the trades Jerry has made throughout his time have gone well, but a good amount failed.

1. Terry Glenn (Best)​

2. Amari Cooper (Best)​

3. Charles Haley (Best)​

4. Hershel Walker (The Best)​

5. Joey Galloway (Worst)​

6. Roy Williams (The Worst)​


https://thelandryhat.com/posts/4-best-2-worst-cowboys-trades-under-jerry-jones
How many first round draft picks did we give away for Terry Glenn. I don’t think that was one of the best.
 

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How many first round draft picks did we give away for Terry Glenn. I don’t think that was one of the best.
Two, and top shelf ability was worth it. That was when draft values were not as cap relevant as they are for building a team and winning now. How long did it take Snyder to finally conclude that he couldn't pay older players and keep winning? Talent is talent.

Perspectives on values have changed over the time since 1995. That has gone many directions.

The driving formula then was to present one's fan an actual effort to win, each and every year. There were no cop out years back then...
 

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Jethro is the one who brought shame to our beloved franchise, not Jimmy.

I never even knew there were Cowboy fans who sided with Jethro over Jimmy until I came on these forums.
You are being biased and quickly giving up reasonable justifications beyond a popularity chained to hero worship. Jimmy was a strong coach with success.

Hill Billy ballads are fun as well, but you don't even attempt to understand why that alone is foolish.
 

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Jimmys HOF induction is for his impact and success on the football field. Jethros induction was as a contributor NOT football related.

Jimmy is one of the most beloved figures in Cowboys history. Jethro voted the most hated sports personality in DFW area. Which side of Cowboys history do you want to be behind?
The truth, not a popularity contest instead...I'm a fan of the Cowboys. Not a social justified critic on an internet hits listing.
 

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The only thing that made the Joey Galloway trade bad was Galloway only getting to play one game with Troy Aikman. He tore his ACL and his very first game with the Cowboys. Aikman was injured later that season and was released after the season. That left Galloway with a terrible QB situation. He ended up having three straight 1000 yard seasons, including almost 1300 yards with 10 TDs in 2005 when we traded him to Tampa. In 2003 with the Cowboys he did average a career best 19.8 per catch.
Galloway was one of the top playmakers in the league when we traded for him, and again after he left.

The unfortunate combination of the injury and the supporting cast he had here might have cost him a shot at the HoF. He had that type of talent.
 

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No, Jerry Jones was the GM...don't rewrite history. Jerry held the job and was part of selections, just as today.

Keep Jerry rah rahs out of the thread...

Discuss topic...or sit the bench. Let's just see the values involved.
I just finished Jimmy Johnson’s book. Trust me. Jerry had nothing to do with the walker or Haley trades that was all Jimmy. Actually. That was the beginning of the end for Jerry and Jimmy because Jerry was going around on tv and radio shows saying he was responsible for the trades and that didn’t sit well with Jimmy.

Jerry and Jimmy’s agreement was Jerry handle the business side and Jimmy handles everything football related. From the trainers to equipment staff.
 

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The truth, not a popularity contest instead...I'm a fan of the Cowboys. Not a social justified critic on an internet hits listing.
At some point we become part of the solution or part of the problem.

If you believe Jethro is part of the solution for the success and respect of Cowboys Football then I’d argue you are in the very small minority of fans and critics.
 

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You are being biased and quickly giving up reasonable justifications beyond a popularity chained to hero worship. Jimmy was a strong coach with success.

Hill Billy ballads are fun as well, but you don't even attempt to understand why that alone is foolish.
It’s amazing how some fans think they need to defend our foolish owner . Like it’s some kind of duty as a Cowboys fan. Lol
 

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At some point we become part of the solution or part of the problem.

If you believe Jethro is part of the solution for the success and respect of Cowboys Football then I’d argue you are in the very small minority of fans and critics.
He is ownership and is responsible. No one is responsible above him. The coach runs his team. He tells scouting what he wants and they find him players or research as directed. Jerry, not the maligning term Jethro, picked his desired Head Coach after reviewing stances of all applying candidates. That is a factor as well.

You grossly under estimate what is involvements in football by Jerry Jones.

He also, is owner, and provides all opportunity on his team. That goes from Jimmy to now.

After that coach leaves, the play of players are no longer that coaches. The players are still part of that team. That's a fact. No more endless statements of but he's. His next coach held a Lombardi of his own.

To expand a view...America isn't great only because of George Washington...same with the Cowboys. Be a fan and not a Jimmy this or that.

Jerry is in the Hall of Fame because of football. Not being rich.

Blame for parting isn't just Jerry. Jimmy owed loyalties to his team. As far as being involved Jerry was involved. Jimmy well could have requested who he wanted, and Jerry well could have moved mountains. But actual approval was Jerry's. An owner is fully correct for accepting responsibility for players, because that is actually what happened in reality. Yes, he made the move as he approves all activity.

On this fact, Jimmy was naive and he ended up paying for his own short comings in facts. Jerry didn't mess up, Jimmy didn't fully understand the organizational requirement of loyalties, himself.

You really think Jimmy was hurting on any aspect of support, fame, or fan support...I'll say it and not send yet another truth and fact involving ethics and integrity down the road...NO, he was receiving that already.

Jimmy tripped on his own accord then, and left the head of franchise no alternative.

When the sun set, Jerry was having to pay the bills and was responsible, still, for providing opportunity for everyone in his franchise. That didn't just suddenly disappear. Did Tom Landry lose his job for some reason? Yes, and the same here.

Jerry and his team are valid and a strong element in sport, now.
 

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I just finished Jimmy Johnson’s book. Trust me. Jerry had nothing to do with the walker or Haley trades that was all Jimmy. Actually. That was the beginning of the end for Jerry and Jimmy because Jerry was going around on tv and radio shows saying he was responsible for the trades and that didn’t sit well with Jimmy.

Jerry and Jimmy’s agreement was Jerry handle the business side and Jimmy handles everything football related. From the trainers to equipment staff.
That broadens some of the picture. Now read: 'America's Team' by Jeff Sullivan.
 

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He is ownership and is responsible. No one is responsible above him. The coach runs his team. He tells scouting what he wants and they find him players or research as directed. Jerry, not the maligning term Jethro, picked his desired Head Coach after reviewing stances of all applying candidates. That is a factor as well.

You grossly under estimate what is involvements in football by Jerry Jones.

He also, is owner, and provides all opportunity on his team. That goes from Jimmy to now.

After that coach leaves, the play of players are no longer that coaches. The players are still part of that team. That's a fact. No more endless statements of but he's. His next coach held a Lombardi of his own.

To expand a view...America isn't great only because of George Washington...same with the Cowboys. Be a fan and not a Jimmy this or that.

Jerry is in the Hall of Fame because of football. Not being rich.

Blame for parting isn't just Jerry. Jimmy owed loyalties to his team. As far as being involved Jerry was involved. Jimmy well could have requested who he wanted, and Jerry well could have moved mountains. But actual approval was Jerry's. An owner is fully correct for accepting responsibility for players, because that is actually what happened in reality. Yes, he made the move as he approves all activity.

On this fact, Jimmy was naive and he ended up paying for his own short comings in facts. Jerry didn't mess up, Jimmy didn't fully understand the organizational requirement of loyalties, himself.

You really think Jimmy was hurting on any aspect of support, fame, or fan support...I'll say it and not send yet another truth and fact involving ethics and integrity down the road...NO, he was receiving that already.

Jimmy tripped on his own accord then, and left the head of franchise no alternative.

When the sun set, Jerry was having to pay the bills and was responsible, still, for providing opportunity for everyone in his franchise. That didn't just suddenly disappear. Did Tom Landry lose his job for some reason? Yes, and the same here.

Jerry and his team are valid and a strong element in sport, now.
You obviously don’t understand what “ Contributor “ designation means .

Jimmy didn’t trip. Jethro should have hugged his hiney all the way to the bank. But winning back to back championships wasn’t enough.

Jethro Jone$ suks . And those supporting him this era with what he’s done to our once proud football tradition then they suk too.

Anyone leading the cheers for our owner are going to have to face the criticism. Buckle up!!
 

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You obviously don’t understand what “ Contributor “ designation means .

Jimmy didn’t trip. Jethro should have hugged his hiney all the way to the bank. But winning back to back championships wasn’t enough.

Jethro Jone$ suks . And those supporting him this era with what he’s done to our once proud football tradition then they suk too.

Anyone leading the cheers for our owner are going to have to face the criticism. Buckle up!!
Did you ever play the game? You don't suddenly assume...ASSUME...legitimized authority.

Knew all along that you consider name calling an ace in the hold. I call that and yours as disrespect. You go ahead and resume a lack of morales in talk and life...label that any damn way one wants. It's wrong.

A characature of your support team there:


https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lml3c9z_4880.jpg
 

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That broadens some of the picture. Now read: 'America's Team' by Jeff Sullivan.
Jerry wasn’t even in the war room back then. Jimmy was in charge of everything football. Period. There isn’t another way to spin it. Jerry and Jimmy’s egos clashed big time towards the end but I blame Jerry for not being able to stay out of the football side. He’s a narcissist and a glory hound.
 

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We kinda got lucky with the Haley trade - he wore out his welcome in SF and they wanted to get rid of him.

Teams dont usually trade a premier edge rusher just like that.
Tony Casillas trade should be included. Almost as powerful as the Haley trade.

I would call the Amari Cooper trade a negative, and replace it w/ the Casillas trade.
 

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Jerry wasn’t even in the war room back then. Jimmy was in charge of everything football. Period. There isn’t another way to spin it. Jerry and Jimmy’s egos clashed big time towards the end but I blame Jerry for not being able to stay out of the football side. He’s a narcissist and a glory hound.
C'mon, get a clue...picks could last forever and projected actions always had his approval.

'What, you really think that he was on Jimmy's boat reeling in 'tuna?'

Learn team structure and then get back to me.

You have the liquor store guy's pictures of him in the latrine?

Wait, I see you coming up...
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Tony Casillas trade should be included. Almost as powerful as the Haley trade.

I would call the Amari Cooper trade a negative, and replace it w/ the Casillas trade.
The Cooper trade shows why Booger is not a great GM. They had to make that an in-season trade.

Either he saw this QB as one that could lift a very average WR corps or this was an above average WR corps. Both were wrong.

Did McClay assure him that they were solid in the passing game?

The team was down one WR1 and they didn't use camp or the preseason to assess that part of the game, they waited until the season began.
 
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