4 teams including champs had "high interest" in Hitchens

[MichaelWinicki]

Yup.. just like everybody knew Tony Romo. Every team knew they shouldn't draft him because he would never amount to anything.

But no, no.. i'm sure you've studied and followed Hitchens career ever since he entered college.

I'll give Risen props... he like a few others did think highly of the Romo signing and said pretty much from the get-go that the kid had some potential... He wasn't proclaiming a string of 4,000 yards seasons but early on he thought the kid had some ability.

 

[casmith07]

Travis Frederick also could have been "had in the 3rd" too...and he's on his way to becoming one of the best centers in the league. And we added Terrance Williams with the trade down.

I hate all the draft grading, talk of "value" and all this "he would have been there" garbage.

Imagine if we passed on Hitchens and he went to the Seahawks and became the next Patrick Willis. Never would hear the end of it. Fans suck.

 

[dstew60105]

No. Hitchens wasn't a guy I would have used Mr. Irrelevant for.

I guess its safe to assume that if Hitch contributes this year that you will come back and eat some crow.

 

[Wood]

Do you really think that Dallas is the only team that evaluates teams on day 3 picks and it is some strange abberation?

Wilber was on teams until he started. Holloman and Wilcox fit that mold. Our ST was one of the best units in the league last season after being terrible for years. I welcome Bisaccia's involvement myself.

maybe its a player developmental issue but Dallas does not bring along their middle round picks well. Their track record in 4th round is ridiculously bad. Yesterday did nothing but raise more questions about their board after first few rounds. I like Bisaccia also but he shouldn't even be in that room until rounds 5-7.

 

[Risen Star]

And the thing is other than the two linebacker choices I thought Dallas "crushed it" as far as getting value from all of their spots.

Is scouting linebackers a "hole" in how the Cowboys evaluate players or do they know something that someone else doesn't?

We'll find out.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on Will Smith. He's local and it was a very late pick. We do reasonably well in that area.

Hitchens was one of the worst picks in the entire draft from a team that is laughably awful finding talent in that round.

 

[Risen Star]

I guess its safe to assume that if Hitch contributes this year that you will come back and eat some crow.

Oh, I'll toss and turn at night over that.

He'll be a bad backup for a few years. That's about it.

 

[Brooksey]

It is funny how no one ever says, "Man, Kiper really reached with his prediction of Jeffcoat in the third..."

True, or how about Seattle had a big reach on OT Justin Britt in the 2nd round when Mayock and others had a 5-7 Rd grade on him .

 

[Risen Star]

maybe its a player developmental issue but Dallas does not bring along their middle round picks well. Their track record in 4th round is ridiculously bad. Yesterday did nothing but raise more questions about their board after first few rounds. I like Bisaccia also but he shouldn't even be in that room until rounds 5-7.

Exactly right.

 

[Brooksey]

Oh, I'll toss and turn at night over that.

He'll be a bad backup for a few years. That's about it.

How do you know? I wasn't happy with the pick, In fact I was kind of upset about it but after looking at the guy play he looks pretty nasty. We need LB depth and he's a hard hitting LB with speed. They must have known something or seen something in this guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

lol of course you 'know the player.' after all you shared your 'knowledge' with us immediately after the pick with your thread in the draft forum:

Nolan Nawrocki: 32nd rated OLB, Not on top 150 value board, Priority free agent.

An active, undersized, run-and-hit weakside linebacker , Hitchens is at his best in a scheme where he is protected and free to run to the ball. Has shown gradual improvement and could stand to compete for a backup role.

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Frank Coyle, Draft Insiders Digest: 37th rated OLB, Not on top 300 value board, Undrafted free agent.

No write up

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Scouts Inc., ESPN: 33rd rated OLB, Not on top 318 value board, Undrafted free agent.

Hitchens is an instinctive run-defender with decent range and the finishing burst to deliver big hits. He's not as effective in coverage as he lacks the fluid hips to hold up in man and doesn't show great awareness in underneath zone.

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Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout: 24th rated OLB, Not on top 100 value board, 6th-7th round projection.

Hitchens isn't an ideal speed/strength player, but he plays decisive and physical, getting the most out of his ability. He was productive in college and showed versatility vs. the run and the pass and also on special teams coverage. He is limited in some areas, but is a classic overachiever who offers terrific football intangibles. Borderline draftable who might have trouble making the 53-man roster.

That is the extent of your 'knowledge.' This was addressed in the OP too.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on Will Smith. He's local and it was a very late pick. We do reasonably well in that area.

Hitchens was one of the worst picks in the entire draft from a team that is laughably awful finding talent in that round.

Yeah, how they could do reasonably well the rest of the draft and leave us with that head-scratcher... puzzling.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I did know Tony Romo. Miles Austin too. I even said it, wait for it, pre-draft.

If it makes you feel better to pretend I was as clueless as you apparently are, feel free. If you need me, I'll be over here being right. You guys will catch up with me on Hitchens in a few years, but at that point it'll be hater hindsight.

You'll be over there looking silly.. as usual.

Its amazing with all of your knowledge that you haven't been signed as a scout to an NFL front office yet, you know.. since you told everyone that Tony Romo would be a superstar and Miles Austin would too, and all.

lol

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'll give Risen props... he like a few others did think highly of the Romo signing and said pretty much from the get-go that the kid had some potential... He wasn't proclaiming a string of 4,000 yards seasons but early on he thought the kid had some ability.

Yes, after we signed Tony and Risen did some google searches and read some articles and looked at some highlight videos, he concluded that Romo "had some potential"..

Any of us on the board could do the same thing.. and we could all do it while not acting like we know everything about every player and how their careers will turn out.

lol

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It should be noted that at no point in any of this discussion does Risen actually attempt to discuss the player. He gives gross generalizations as value judgments and then postures that 'we will learn.'

Reminds me of a scientologist now that I think about it. Smarmy bluster and all.

He's had me on ignore since last year I pointed out how he basically stole Kipers list and moved OL and DL up 5 spots for his top 100.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How do you know? I wasn't happy with the pick, In fact I was kind of upset about it but after looking at the guy play he looks pretty nasty. We need LB depth and he's a hard hitting LB with speed. They must have known something or seen something in this guy.

He knows because he takes sabbatical from his career for 9 months a year to devote all the time and energy needed into knowing more than all the NFL teams combined about every single player eligable to be drafted every year. Up and down, back and forth.. he's the farmer's almanac of NFL draftees, ladies and gents.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I guess its safe to assume that if Hitch contributes this year that you will come back and eat some crow.

Yeah right, never happens!

 

[AmishCowboy]

Now that Hitch is the backup MLB, does Holloman now compete with Carter outside?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I did know Tony Romo. Miles Austin too. I even said it, wait for it, pre-draft.

If it makes you feel better to pretend I was as clueless as you apparently are, feel free. If you need me, I'll be over here being right. You guys will catch up with me on Hitchens in a few years, but at that point it'll be hater hindsight.

Risen goes out on a limb and predicts a day 3 pick won't pan out.

He is very brave.

 

[5Stars]

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

Get real...! You are a legend in your own mind and should be a GM somewhere. smh

 

[justbob]

Pretty sure we should stay on the original thread and stop all the personal shots at each other. Or the benching list could grow rather quickly.