4 teams including champs had "high interest" in Hitchens

[basstapp]

How can anyone say he's a reach? He may be a reach because look at kiper and may oicks draft board for 7 months. There are reasons that a bunch of players are drafted ahead of what these media guys post. Teams do the scouting for their scheme, for chemistry, for upside, for consistency etc.

Just as people get drafted early some people go undrafted like Kelly and jeffcoat. People had them as 3-4 round players. If you don't like the pick because you never heard of the player before then that is just ignorant.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yep Risen didn't tout him as a prospect so he must suck lol

I just get annoyed with people who say guys suck and will never be anything in the NFL right away when we draft them. Its like, you have no idea and it'd be nice to at least give the guy a chance before we say he's garbage. You would think if you are a fan of the team that drafted the player you'd give him a chance at least, especially if you are a fan of the team that employs Tony Romo as your Pro Bowl QB. Where was he drafted again? Oh yea..

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think we got another Bradie James.. Drafted in the 4th, solid and not special. Will be a starter for years.

Kind of a yes. He will play better around the LOS, but will be a step slow in the passing game imo. If he plays spot duty or ends up starting two games for Sean Lee this year, people will love him and say he is a steal. If he starts six and teams get game tape on him, then people will start complaining that he gets there too late.

It's only my opinion, but I have watched him play quite a few times and I feel that I have a basis to express it. I am rooting for him because he plays with fire, but I don't know if that is enough.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

How can anyone say he's a reach? He may be a reach because look at kiper and may oicks draft board for 7 months. There are reasons that a bunch of players are drafted ahead of what these media guys post. Teams do the scouting for their scheme, for chemistry, for upside, for consistency etc.

Just as people get drafted early some people go undrafted like Kelly and jeffcoat. People had them as 3-4 round players. If you don't like the pick because you never heard of the player before then that is just ignorant.

It is funny how no one ever says, "Man, Kiper really reached with his prediction of Jeffcoat in the third..."

 

[Wood]

The FO obviously saw something in this guy that they thought warranted burning a 4th to make sure they got him. Regardless of anyone's else's perceived value, if he ends up being a significant contributor the pick will be a success. If not, it will be a failure. I will hold out judgment until I see what he does.

I think this is more about does Dallas FO have a flawed philosophy when they get past first two rounds. Other teams seem to bring along their 3rd-5th round picks as starters. Dallas seems to plug them in on Special teams for few years then releases them. If you listen to Jerry phone call to this pick he mentions the special teams coach would lay on train tracks for him and how hard he pitched for him. My question is...why is ST coach even involved at that stage. Dallas needs to move their SP philosophy back a round or two.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The mission to make Anthony Hitchens appear to be a coveted prospect about to be selected as the Cowboys drafted him has begun.

I don't care. He was a massive reach in the 4th round and a horrible selection.

And for all the supporters, show me where you said anything positive about the player pre-draft. Otherwise you're just cheerleading for the team.

Tell me where you said anything negative?

Typical arm-chair scout and GM.

We all had to be educated on him. Why is that a bad thing? Did you know all 256 players selected? Did you know the other 200 or so that just signed as college free agents?

No and no I presume. So what makes you think it was a horrible selection and massive reach?

We hear this stupidity every year. You should know better Risen.

I remember when Travis Fedrick was a reach. Good times.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Way to miss the point. And make arguments that are completely irrelevant to those teams evaluations.

Here is a question that cuts right to the hear of the matter: how many player evaluations from teams have you seen ever much less leading up to the draft?

i have yet to see a single one.

Either you believe that those 4 NFL clubs indeed valued them as a 4th rounder or they did not. I do not think those sources are lying to me.

That is the thing, your hubris makes you think that you are best qualified to evaluate draft picks. I am not that arrogant and am willing to admit that the professionals are much more qualified than I am. My arrogance only goes so far.

To me it comes down to this: do I buy the evaluations of Risen Star, Mel Kiper and nfldraftdigest or do I take the Niners, Seahawks, Rams, and Cardinals?

Easy choice really especially with how those other top 4-3 teams chime in.

Welp

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It is funny how no one ever says, "Man, Kiper really reached with his prediction of Jeffcoat in the third..."

So did Ourlads.

 

[Risen Star]

Or the reason might be that you had no idea who the player even was until his name popped up on your TV screen when we drafted him, and now you're basing your judgement of the player off of the results of your frantic google searches leading you to websites like "wedodatnfldraftscoutinlegitproskillzword.com"

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It is funny how no one ever says, "Man, Kiper really reached with his prediction of Jeffcoat in the third..."

Kiper is right until he is wrong until he is right again. Just depends on what argument you need at the time.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The funny thing is if the Cowboys took Mitchell in the 4th round and Hitchens in the 7th... Nary a word would be said.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

Risen wants us to believe he scouted and knows almost 500 players...especially those like Hitchens who were supposed to be undrafted.

Right.

 

[dstew60105]

The FO obviously saw something in this guy that they thought warranted burning a 4th to make sure they got him. Regardless of anyone's else's perceived value, if he ends up being a significant contributor the pick will be a success. If not, it will be a failure. I will hold out judgment until I see what he does.

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

How about you just pretend we took Street in the 4th and Hitch in the 5th. Feel better?

 

[Risen Star]

How about you just pretend we took Street in the 4th and Hitch in the 5th. Feel better?

No. Hitchens wasn't a guy I would have used Mr. Irrelevant for.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Certainly according to the draft guides and such the pick of Hitchens was a reach in the 4th round, but I would be naïve to think that all teams rate players according to the draft guides and I wouldn't find it hard to believe that 3 or 4, including the Cowboys liked the kid more so than many others.

I don't think that is an unreasonable assumption.

Bottom line is that his performance will dictate where he should have been drafted.

 

[Chuck 54]

It's also important to remember why scouts and guys who set up the draft board value certain players more than other teams, the media, or fans.

1. You draft a player primarily because of the projection of his athletic skills.
2. You draft him because of his college production.
3. You draft him because what you see In him makes him a great fit in your system.

Now, based on Jerry's past ten year history in the draft, every fan has a right to call a pick, any pick, a reach or a lousy decision, but there is also the possibility that with our newly empowered personnel guys and with Marinelli orchestrating what he wants and doesn't want (the whole combination of voices setting this up for Jerry), that you can also look at number 3 above and admit the possibility that a player is highly valued even more for what you project him doing in your system than in what others see him do in his college system.

Players are not always perfect fits in college or pro systems. Maybe Hitchins and others will prove to be poor selections where they were taken and disappointing compared to others we could have had, but only a fool would argue that there's no chance they will prove to be genius selections who fit perfectly. I believe both Marinelli and McClay deserve the benefit of the doubt that they know exactly what they are looking for and found the players that were needed most.....sadly, Jerry burned all his and part of their rights to be trusted long ago.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think this is more about does Dallas FO have a flawed philosophy when they get past first two rounds. Other teams seem to bring along their 3rd-5th round picks as starters. Dallas seems to plug them in on Special teams for few years then releases them. If you listen to Jerry phone call to this pick he mentions the special teams coach would lay on train tracks for him and how hard he pitched for him. My question is...why is ST coach even involved at that stage. Dallas needs to move their SP philosophy back a round or two.

Do you really think that Dallas is the only team that evaluates teams on day 3 picks and it is some strange abberation?

Wilber was on teams until he started. Holloman and Wilcox fit that mold. Our ST was one of the best units in the league last season after being terrible for years. I welcome Bisaccia's involvement myself.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You keep telling yourself that. I know the player. I knew the reach. The exact moment it happened.

If you didn't know him, that's your problem.

Yup.. just like everybody knew Tony Romo. Every team knew they shouldn't draft him because he would never amount to anything.

But no, no.. i'm sure you've studied and followed Hitchens career ever since he entered college.

 

[Risen Star]

Yup.. just like everybody knew Tony Romo. Every team knew they shouldn't draft him because he would never amount to anything.

But no, no.. i'm sure you've studied and followed Hitchens career ever since he entered college.

I did know Tony Romo. Miles Austin too. I even said it, wait for it, pre-draft.

If it makes you feel better to pretend I was as clueless as you apparently are, feel free. If you need me, I'll be over here being right. You guys will catch up with me on Hitchens in a few years, but at that point it'll be hater hindsight.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

And the thing is other than the two linebacker choices I thought Dallas "crushed it" as far as getting value from all of their spots.

Is scouting linebackers a "hole" in how the Cowboys evaluate players or do they know something that someone else doesn't?

We'll find out.