4 teams including champs had "high interest" in Hitchens

[theogt]

I didn't know squat about this guy pre-draft. Haven't read hardly a thing about him. I've only watched a couple games, and came away thinking he looks like a really nice prospect. It doesn't surprise me based on what I saw that he'd be picked anywhere from the 3rd to 5th round.

I wonder if the others that did the opposite would have had a similar reaction rather than just letting other people form their opinions for them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Travis Frederick also could have been "had in the 3rd" too...and he's on his way to becoming one of the best centers in the league. And we added Terrance Williams with the trade down.

I hate all the draft grading, talk of "value" and all this "he would have been there" garbage.

Imagine if we passed on Hitchens and he went to the Seahawks and became the next Patrick Willis. Never would hear the end of it. Fans suck.

I get the value argument. Why pay $2 today when you can pay $1 tomorrow? That is why I am showing that other teams were interested at that point.

At the end of the day you are right though. It is how things pan out that matters when all is said and done.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Now that Hitch is the backup MLB, does Holloman now compete with Carter outside?

I think Holloman was always viewed as an outside backer... Any reps inside were due to the dire injury situation facing the Cowboys at linebacker.

 

[5Stars]

Risen goes out on a limb and predicts a day 3 pick won't pan out.

He is very brave.

Plus, he is saying come back in "a few years"...so he give himself an out right away. Passive aggressive.

 

[Proximo]

He knows because he takes sabbatical from his career for 9 months a year to devote all the time and energy needed into knowing more than all the NFL teams combined about every single player eligable to be drafted every year. Up and down, back and forth.. he's the farmer's almanac of NFL draftees, ladies and gents.

Hahaha this literally made me laugh out loud. Well done sir.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on Will Smith. He's local and it was a very late pick. We do reasonably well in that area.

Hitchens was one of the worst picks in the entire draft from a team that is laughably awful finding talent in that round.

It would be nice if you actually talked about the players with something other than gross generalizations. It is one thing to say you like something but it is a much more compelling thing when you can say why with specifics.

As it stands now the impression that you give is you parrot what your favorite draft sites rank players. Well that has been the depth of any of your analysis on any of the picks.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Oh, I'll toss and turn at night over that.

He'll be a bad backup for a few years. That's about it.

Didn't you also complain about the Fredrick pick?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think Holloman was always viewed as an outside backer... Any reps inside were due to the dire injury situation facing the Cowboys at linebacker.

Definitely think this is the case.. all the more reason we needed to put some value into finding a capable backup at the MLB position.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not surprised that we hear that several teams were about to take a player we moved up to take. You here this everytime the team moves up to take a player.

I see a backup and ST player at this point. Yes he was productive at Iowa but there is nothing that I see right now that makes me think he could be an outstanding WOLB or a MLB in a Tampa2. His 3Cone and shuttle are not all that great, 4.45 and 7.15 respectively. That's not in the top 10 for his position. His 40 is not great, although he does have a good 10 yard split. His 20 split is also not all that good. Short area quickness. He doesn't have really long arms and he's pretty short at 6'0".

None of this means that he can't be a great player for us some day but all of this means that he is limited physically and that will not help him. I don't mind drafting the player but I don't see the wisdom in moving up to take him. If, as is being reported, other teams had interest in him, let them spend a 4th on him. I think he would have been there later and if not, plenty of good players on the board we could have used.

I did not like this move much at all. Doesn't mean I won't pull for the guy. I will but it was stupid, IMO, to move up for him in the 4th.

JMO

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Definitely think this is the case.. all the more reason we needed to put some value into finding a capable backup at the MLB position.

Yep.

We can debate the merits of where the proposed backup MLB was taken, but the fact was a backup MLB was needed.

 

[dstew60105]

Oh, I'll toss and turn at night over that.

He'll be a bad backup for a few years. That's about it.

Never said you would, but you don't seem like a person that will come back and admit he was wrong. We'll see...

 

[Wood]

Now that Hitch is the backup MLB, does Holloman now compete with Carter outside?

according to Marinelli Carter will be battling it out with Durant. I would assume then that Holloman is a starter.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not surprised that we hear that several teams were about to take a player we moved up to take. You here this everytime the team moves up to take a player.

I see a backup and ST player at this point. Yes he was productive at Iowa but there is nothing that I see right now that makes me think he could be an outstanding WOLB or a MLB in a Tampa2. His 3Cone and shuttle are not all that great, 4.45 and 7.15 respectively. That's not in the top 10 for his position. His 40 is not great, although he does have a good 10 yard split. His 20 split is also not all that good. Short area quickness. He doesn't have really long arms and he's pretty short at 6'0".

None of this means that he can't be a great player for us some day but all of this means that he is limited physically and that will not help him. I don't mind drafting the player but I don't see the wisdom in moving up to take him. If, as is being reported, other teams had interest in him, let them spend a 4th on him. I think he would have been there later and if not, plenty of good players on the board we could have used.

I did not like this move much at all. Doesn't mean I won't pull for the guy. I will but it was stupid, IMO, to move up for him in the 4th.

JMO

We moved up in the 5th to get Street trading the first 7th. Our 4th was the one we started with.

 

[Kaiser]

Plus, he is saying come back in "a few years"...so he give himself an out right away. Passive aggressive.

I have him on Ignore, but someone tell Risen that the Giants 3rd round pick Bromley was rated as a 6th rounder. He still has time to educate an entire Tri-State area of Giants fans on his draft prowess!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Not surprised that we hear that several teams were about to take a player we moved up to take. You here this everytime the team moves up to take a player.

I see a backup and ST player at this point. Yes he was productive at Iowa but there is nothing that I see right now that makes me think he could be an outstanding WOLB or a MLB in a Tampa2. His 3Cone and shuttle are not all that great, 4.45 and 7.15 respectively. That's not in the top 10 for his position. His 40 is not great, although he does have a good 10 yard split. His 20 split is also not all that good. Short area quickness. He doesn't have really long arms and he's pretty short at 6'0".

None of this means that he can't be a great player for us some day but all of this means that he is limited physically and that will not help him. I don't mind drafting the player but I don't see the wisdom in moving up to take him. If, as is being reported, other teams had interest in him, let them spend a 4th on him. I think he would have been there later and if not, plenty of good players on the board we could have used.

I did not like this move much at all. Doesn't mean I won't pull for the guy. I will but it was stupid, IMO, to move up for him in the 4th.

JMO

Umm..did we move up for him?

 

[Proximo]

At the end of the day you are right though. It is how things pan out that matters when all is said and done.

And this right here is exactly why I temper my reactions to the draft as it happens. If a few of the guys we picked up over the past few days turn into really good starters I won't give a damn at all when we picked them or where they came from. As long as we build a good team.

No reason to get overly butt-hurt or super duper happy over what transpired during the past few days. It won't start to get interesting for these rookies until training camp and the preseason anyways.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We moved up in the 5th to get Street trading the first 7th. Our 4th was the one we started with.

Fair enough, but he was not worth a 4th round pick, either way, IMO.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Not surprised that we hear that several teams were about to take a player we moved up to take. You here this everytime the team moves up to take a player.

I see a backup and ST player at this point. Yes he was productive at Iowa but there is nothing that I see right now that makes me think he could be an outstanding WOLB or a MLB in a Tampa2. His 3Cone and shuttle are not all that great, 4.45 and 7.15 respectively. That's not in the top 10 for his position. His 40 is not great, although he does have a good 10 yard split. His 20 split is also not all that good. Short area quickness. He doesn't have really long arms and he's pretty short at 6'0".

None of this means that he can't be a great player for us some day but all of this means that he is limited physically and that will not help him. I don't mind drafting the player but I don't see the wisdom in moving up to take him. If, as is being reported, other teams had interest in him, let them spend a 4th on him. I think he would have been there later and if not, plenty of good players on the board we could have used.

I did not like this move much at all. Doesn't mean I won't pull for the guy. I will but it was stupid, IMO, to move up for him in the 4th.

JMO

Yeah, the move up was odd for an apparent 2-down MLB.

But that being said I don't think defense is or did much of the "Tampa 2" where MLB had to get back to cover a medium to deep middle.

If anything I think the defense is going more towards the "Seattle Cover 3" where the one safety covers the deep middle and the two corners can play press, but are still responsible for the deep coverage behind them.

 

[manster4ever]

I like what i see from this guy too.. Out of all the players we drafted im shocked to see this is the one most complained about lol

yes and no. I've watched him play about 12 times the last few years....he's as solid as the come in the middle but people that don't WATCH and go off 'measurables' LIKE THEY DID WITH FREDRICK will be very surprised. Enough talk...let his play speak for itself.

Solid backup LB'er to Lee who's been hurt alot. Plus he can really be an asset on special teams. He was picked in the MIDDLE of the 4th round. The belly aching and butt hurt is hilarious.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, the move up was odd for an apparent 2-down MLB.

But that being said I don't think defense is or did much of the "Tampa 2" where MLB had to get back to cover a medium to deep middle.

If anything I think the defense is going more towards the "Seattle Cover 3" where the one safety covers the deep middle and the two corners can play press, but are still responsible for the deep coverage behind them.

If this is what we are doing, then why would we bring in Marinelli or even Kiffen. I have not heard that this was the scheme we were going to and if we are, then why don't we ever play press. I don't believe this but I guess it could be possible.