4th Quarter QB ratings 04-12..Guess who's #1

[Aurican]

You've just called one of the most consistent quarterbacks in the history of professional football inconsistent.

Romo has had six consecutive qualifying seasons in the top ten in passer rating. That degree of consistency is extremely rare. There have only been five quarterbacks with more consecutive top ten qualifying seasons in passer rating. Ever.

13 Manning 1999-2010, 2012
11 Brady 2001-07, 09-12
8 Fouts 1978-85
8 Young 1991-98
7 Dawson 1962-68
6 Montana 1980-85 and 1987-90, 93-94
6 Baugh 1940-45
6 Griese 1971, 73-74, 76-78
6 Tarkenton 1972-77
6 Romo 2006-09, 2011-12

(adjusted for league size to filter out "top tens" when there were only 12 teams in the league, for example)

My point was related to within each season not spanning his entire career. Romo will limit mistakes and turnovers playing great for stretches at a time and will then have a meltdown game where he will have 5 turnovers essentially losing any chance to win that game. Again passer rating is hardly the be all end all some would try to make it out to be, there are too many variables it doesn't account for.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Depends on who you are comparing him to, great Qb's don't total 12 interceptions in 3 games within a season. By comparison Rodgers, Brady, Manning all had under 12 picks all year.

Even though that's the strangest, most cherry-picked qualifier I have ever heard (I can only imagine how many HOF QBs have done it), I'm fairly sure Manning has indeed done it before. He has 28, 23, 19 and 17 pick seasons.

That's also making the extremely strange assumption that interceptions have any value as a stat when viewed in isolation.

 

[Aurican]

Even though that's the strangest, most cherry-picked qualifier I have ever heard (I can only imagine how many HOF QBs have done it), I'm fairly sure Manning has indeed done it before. He has 28, 23, 19 and 17 pick seasons.

That's also making the extremely strange assumption that interceptions have any value as a stat when viewed in isolation.

I was only using it based on last season as his interception numbers in the losses against Washington, New York and Chicago jump out compared to other QB's and I believe greatly cost us in those losses. By comparison Drew Brees who led the league in interceptions along with Romo only had a single game where he threw more than 2 interceptions last year.

I do agree that stats as a whole are misleading which is why I place little value in passer rating which is just a combination of stats that can all have their own misleading variables. In the end I trust what I see more than any stats someone parrots in a forum and what I've seen of Romo is a player who is very streaky and has had a tendency to play some of his worst games at the end of the year.

 

[Idgit]

I was only using it based on last season as his interception numbers in the losses against Washington, New York and Chicago jump out compared to other QB's and I believe greatly cost us in those losses. By comparison Drew Brees who led the league in interceptions along with Romo only had a single game where he threw more than 2 interceptions last year.

I do agree that stats as a whole are misleading which is why I place little value in passer rating which is just a combination of stats that can all have their own misleading variables. In the end I trust what I see more than any stats someone parrots in a forum and what I've seen of Romo is a player who is very streaky and has had a tendency to play some of his worst games at the end of the year.

You want to look at interception rate and not total if you're going to make that comparison fairly. And I'm not sure why you'd overlook any number of his most consistent seasons in order to make the point that he's actually inconsistent.

In the end, what you see contradicts directly what other people see. That tells you right there the quality of a general fan's eyeball test.

 

[Aurican]

You want to look at interception rate and not total if you're going to make that comparison fairly. And I'm not sure why you'd overlook any number of his most consistent seasons in order to make the point that he's actually inconsistent.

In the end, what you see contradicts directly what other people see. That tells you right there the quality of a general fan's eyeball test.

For what you said to be true one would have to agree that passer rating is the only stat that matters and is not a misleading stat in itself. If I recall correctly Chad Pennington along with Romo are among the all-time leaders in passer rating.

 

[percyhoward]

My point was related to within each season not spanning his entire career. Romo will limit mistakes and turnovers playing great for stretches at a time and will then have a meltdown game where he will have 5 turnovers essentially losing any chance to win that game. Again passer rating is hardly the be all end all some would try to make it out to be, there are too many variables it doesn't account for.

"Within each season" is what I'm talking about though. Up-and-down season performances result in average seasons, not top 10 seasons.

And if you think there's something wrong with using passer rating to measure consistency, take another look at that list and tell me who else besides Romo you think doesn't belong.

 

[Red Dragon]

Depends on who you are comparing him to, great Qb's don't total 12 interceptions in 3 games within a season.

Peyton Manning once threw 6 interceptions against the Chargers in one game, and also once threw 4 interceptions apiece in back-to-back games against the Cowboys and Chargers.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's the truth, except for it being devoid of facts. I thought we missed the playoffs last year.

The real funny part is that so many "fans" really do think the Cowboys missed the playoffs because they lost that game. That's how linear their thinking is. This is also why we have so many Clove/ufcrules types who obsess over single games, even single plays in a 16 game season. They literally didn't watch the other games.

Say what you will, but the truth is no matter what had happened in that game up to that point, .. no matter what had happened up to that game during the season, .. Romo got the ball back with a perfect opportunity to win the game, win the division, make the playoffs, and shut up all of the critics.

I hate what happened after that, but it is what it is.

 

[joseephuss]

For what you said to be true one would have to agree that passer rating is the only stat that matters and is not a misleading stat in itself. If I recall correctly Chad Pennington along with Romo are among the all-time leaders in passer rating.

Of course using only one stat to determine which QB is better is a silly thing to do. Throw in as man stats as possible and most important, watch the guys play. Anyone who watched Romo and Pennington play are going to choose Romo as the QB they want. It helps that Romo is ranked 5th all-time in passer rating while Pennington ranks 13th.

When I saw the guys play I saw Romo as more of a playmaker who gives his team a good chance to win. Pennington needed to be surrounded by playmakers to get the most out of him. One stat that shows that is TD%, which also is part of the passer rating. Romo is ranked 27th all-time in TD%(5.5%) while Pennington is ranked 119th(4.1%). That means Romo throws a TD once every 18.3 pass attempts. Pennington threw a TD once every 24.2 pass attempts.

 

[Red Dragon]

Here are the facts:


1. Romo is going to be the starting QB this season.

2. Romo has never won a Super Bowl, or even more than a playoff game.

3. Romo can't possibly win another playoff game, or a Super Bowl, until quite a few months from now.



So, what exactly is the point of arguing over Romo's lack of playoff success? It's not like it's going to make another QB the starting QB instead. Nor is it going to win the Cowboys any playoff games before next January.

 

[djmajestik]

nominated for outstanding moronic post of the day!

Seconded, or thirded, or fourthed, whatever. Agree!

 

[KB1122]

Are they counting the last few completions against Seattle? Or the 40-yard completion to Felix against Atlanta on the Hail Mary? Or all those completions against the Commanders when the game was out of hand? This past year Tony did a lot of stat padding.

 

[Red Dragon]

Are they counting the last few completions against Seattle? Or the 40-yard completion to Felix against Atlanta on the Hail Mary? Or all those completions against the Commanders when the game was out of hand? This past year Tony did a lot of stat padding.

That applies for every quarterback.

 

[DFWJC]

That applies for every quarterback.

No, you're not allowed to count those for Romo, only for every other QB.
Haters will hate.:

 

[Wood]

give it up guys...nobody on the planet thinks romo is clutch. The good news is that he still has time to change that perception. Let it play out instead of making it personal.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

None of this matters since I'm told by a very reliable source that he throws lollipops.

 

[Idgit]

give it up guys...nobody on the planet thinks romo is clutch.

I think Tony Romo is clutch.

 

[Red Dragon]

give it up guys...nobody on the planet thinks romo is clutch.

I think Romo is clutch.


Unless you're implying that a lot of Cowboys fans reside on a space colony.

 

[percyhoward]

Of course using only one stat to determine which QB is better is a silly thing to do. Throw in as man stats as possible and most important, watch the guys play.

Plus, it depends on how you use the stat. People use the Pennington example to try to make passer rating look like a bad stat. The Pennington example only works if you make no distinction between a season and a career.

Romo has had six straight top 10 seasons, while Pennington only had a total of two in his entire career.

 

[Aurican]

"Within each season" is what I'm talking about though. Up-and-down season performances result in average seasons, not top 10 seasons.

And if you think there's something wrong with using passer rating to measure consistency, take another look at that list and tell me who else besides Romo you think doesn't belong.

I would think having Romo and Pennington as 5th and 13th all time respectively would be enough to show most its a flawed stat but I'll take it further if you like. Rivers is listed 6th all time, Schaub is listed 11th, Culpepper 14th and Jeff Garcia is 15th all time. I could go on with more hilarity like David Garrard being 23rd all time or Jason Campbell being above Matt Hasselbeck and Troy Aikman at 41 but I'll leave it at that.

Now let me ask do you believe these are truly the best QB's to ever play or is the stat flawed?