9 million, not 600 grand

[skinsscalper]

No, Roy Williams along with Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin will fill that void.

You mean like they did this season?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You mean like they did this season?

And yet with all your bravado about Terrell Owens' numbers and how big of a void he would leave, we didn't even make the Playoffs.

Again, if there is any team in the NFL is a great position to rid themselves of a quality player like Terrell Owens, it is the Dallas Cowboys.

You never know, Roy Williams just may have been brought here to replace Terrell Owens sooner than most people think.

 

[bbgun]

I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.

If he isn't cut, he will cost approximately $9,000,000.00 against the 2009 Cap.


If he gets' cut, he will cost approximately $9,600,000.00 against the 2009 Cap.


Hence why the thinking that the cap hit is only $600,000.00. In other words, to do it only costs that amount more than not doing it.

What they're trying to say is that if you're stuck with something, you might as well use it. We're "stuck" with the $9M cap hit no matter what, so why not "use" his services. No, I don't endorse this line of thinking.

 

[sacase]

I agree with this.

Not sure why people keep making the claim that the Offense would drop like a sack of dimes if Terrell Owens is cut.

Umm...No running game?

Its not TO's fualt, try the Oline and unimaginative offensive coordinator.

 

[wileedog]

Umm...No running game?

Its not TO's fualt, try the Oline and unimaginative offensive coordinator.

Take away the WR being pampered by the owner, and the OC gets freed up to spread the ball where it is most effective, not to who will cry the loudest if they don't get it.

 

[saphire1]

The question is do you want to spend 8.4 million and get some production from that playr or spend 9 mil plus the amount you spend to replace him and not have his production?

why is there a need to replace him in the first place? you already got rw on the roster, and his contract has been extended. there's your replacement right there.

i dont see why cutting TO would automatically mean they have to get another receiver. unless you're talking about replacing a cancer with another cancer.:laugh2:

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Umm...No running game?

Its not TO's fualt, try the Oline and unimaginative offensive coordinator.

We know man, its never Terrell Owens fault.

And what does a running game have to do with the false claim that the Cowboys offense wouldn't be able to recover if Terrell Owens was shown the door?

 

[skinsscalper]

And yet with all your bravado about Terrell Owens' numbers and how big of a void he would leave, we didn't even make the Playoffs.

Again, if there is any team in the NFL is a great position to rid themselves of a quality player like Terrell Owens, it is the Dallas Cowboys.

You never know, Roy Williams just may have been brought here to replace Terrell Owens sooner than most people think.

Yay! Can't wait for our wasted 1st round draft pick to start paying off in aces. Don't kid yourself. the pick was sent to Detroit this year to help us get into and make a push in the play-offs THIS YEAR. It had absolutely nothing to do with cutting Owens this year.

You mean to tell me that with a WR corp consisting of T.O., Roy Williams and Crayton that this team can't make the playoffs (with Romo, Witten, and Barber also in the mix). And T.O. is the problem? Really? I would think that a competent OC and coaching staff would make SOMETHING happen with that group. But, you're probably right, it's all on T.O.

 

[Hostile]

- 1 10 TD/1000 yd (that being the worst of his career, BTW) WR. You forgot that part of the equation. Oh that's right, Roy Williams is going to fill the void.

I was addressing the title of the thread which is clearly not grasping the Cap hit. Nothing more.

 

[wileedog]

Yay! Can't wait for our wasted 1st round draft pick to start paying off in aces. Don't kid yourself. the pick was sent to Detroit this year to help us get into and make a push in the play-offs THIS YEAR. It had absolutely nothing to do with cutting Owens this year.

Which is clearly why Jerry shelled out $45 million to extend him.

 

[Yeagermeister]

why is there a need to replace him in the first place? you already got rw on the roster, and his contract has been extended. there's your replacement right there.

i dont see why cutting TO would automatically mean they have to get another receiver. unless you're talking about replacing a cancer with another cancer.:laugh2:

The wr's we have on the roster haven't proven they can step up to replace TO's production.

RW still an unknown with us
PC good hands no speed
MA hasn't shown he can stay healthy
SH has hit his ceiling
IS injury prone

That's why I say we'll need his replacement.

 

[skinsscalper]

Take away the WR being pampered by the owner, and the OC gets freed up to spread the ball where it is most effective, not to who will cry the loudest if they don't get it.

They weren't getting it anyway, genius! You don't waste a 1st round draft pick on a trade to get 1 WR, pay a 9 million dollar salary to another, and have yourself a year removed from extending a 3rd WR and not get them the ball! What is so perplexing about that? T.O. himself said that RW and Crayton needed to be more involved in the offense. NOT "I NEED THE BALL MORE". The problem is coaching, coaching, coaching. Reign in your damn players, make people accountable, sharpen the basic fundamentals of football, and for godsakes learn to adjust a game plan when it's painfully obvious to the fans, the opposing team, the media, and your own damn players that it isn't working! Let's start there. If that doesn't work THEN start trimming the fat. If the basics aren't covered you won't win regardles of who is/isn't on the team. This whole thing can be traced from Wade Phillips all the way to Jerry Jones.There is absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY! How far would this team have gone under Sparano? How about Cowher, Or Fisher. A collection of talent this large that falls that short of a championship points to only one conclusion: the staff and organization is inept.

Lay it on T.O. all you want. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

 

[skinsscalper]

I was addressing the title of the thread which is clearly not grasping the Cap hit. Nothing more.

My bad.

 

[saphire1]

The wr's we have on the roster haven't proven they can step up to replace TO's production.

RW still an unknown with us
PC good hands no speed
MA hasn't shown he can stay healthy
SH has hit his ceiling
IS injury prone

That's why I say we'll need his replacement.

i agree rw is still an unknown, but isnt this the perfect time to train him as the #1 wr, with a full camp with romo and the system? if not this camp, then when? jerry shelled out $45M and the draft for rw, its weird to think he let all that go just for rw's potential down the road and the potential to win SB's. why pay all that and trade the draft just for potential? a lot of potentials didnt pan out. he traded for rw not just because he was thinking abt the future, he was also thinking abt the present. he felt he just needed one missing piece for the team to make the final push to go all the way. he got rw to take the double coverage out of owens. i dont think that plan was successful....

and of course, the issue of if his production enough is worth tolerating his attitude is always up in the air....

 

[wileedog]

They weren't getting it anyway, genius! You don't waste a 1st round draft pick on a trade to get 1 WR, pay a 9 million dollar salary to another, and have yourself a year removed from extending a 3rd WR and not get them the ball! What is so perplexing about that? T.O. himself said that RW and Crayton needed to be more involved in the offense. NOT "I NEED THE BALL MORE". The problem is coaching, coaching, coaching. Reign in your damn players, make people accountable, sharpen the basic fundamentals of football, and for godsakes learn to adjust a game plan when it's painfully obvious to the fans, the opposing team, the media, and your own damn players that it isn't working! Let's start there. If that doesn't work THEN start trimming the fat. If the basics aren't covered you won't win regardles of who is/isn't on the team. This whole thing can be traced from Wade Phillips all the way to Jerry Jones.There is absolutely NO ACCOUNTABILITY! How far would this team have gone under Sparano? How about Cowher, Or Fisher. A collection of talent this large that falls that short of a championship points to only one conclusion: the staff and organization is inept.

Lay it on T.O. all you want. Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.

Whoa whoa whoa, lets be clear. I don't even remotely lay this all on TO.

I have been very consistent, if you read my posts, in that ultimately what I want is Wade and this horribly lax culture gone. My real problem with the team of NO ACCOUNTABILITY is that an ego like TO runs amok and just causes exponentially more damage.

Again, bring in a Shanny or a Schottenheimer and I reverse course on TO big time. Give me someone who sets the tone in the locker so that TO can't. Give me someone that will stand up to TO - and more importantly to Jerry - when they are telling the OC to get him the ball more to the detriment of the team.

You keep Wade in place, you keep Garrett castrated by his own GM/Owner, you keep the culture of players rule the roost here and TO stays, we will be here crying about all the same damn things this time next year. I guarantee it.

Rip out the circus atmosphere here and put a real football staff in place, I'm totally with you on that. And then find ways to sensibly utilize TO, not just Jerry telling Garrett to throw him the ball more.

 

[Audiman]

I'll take the hit.

and that's why you don't own the Cowboys.

 

[skinsscalper]

Whoa whoa whoa, lets be clear. I don't even remotely lay this all on TO.

I have been very consistent, if you read my posts, in that ultimately what I want is Wade and this horribly lax culture gone. My real problem with the team of NO ACCOUNTABILITY is that an ego like TO runs amok and just causes exponentially more damage.

Again, bring in a Shanny or a Schottenheimer and I reverse course on TO big time. Give me someone who sets the tone in the locker so that TO can't. Give me someone that will stand up to TO - and more importantly to Jerry - when they are telling the OC to get him the ball more to the detriment of the team.

You keep Wade in place, you keep Garrett castrated by his own GM/Owner, you keep the culture of players rule the roost here and TO stays, we will be here crying about all the same damn things this time next year. I guarantee it.

Rip out the circus atmosphere here and put a real football staff in place, I'm totally with you on that. And then find ways to sensibly utilize TO, not just Jerry telling Garrett to throw him the ball more.

You, brother, have nailed what I have been trying to relay throughout MANY threads tonight on this subject. You've summed up the analogy that I gave in the "T.O.'s not the problem" thread (I believe) which addressed treating the symptoms rather than curing the disease.

Nice post and I agree 100%

 

[Audiman]

yeah we'll get something out of it.

60-70 catches(20 drops)

1,300 yards

12 tds

no playoff wins

plenty of whining and complaining
and a divided team heading no where fast.

CUT THE CANCER!

I think you're the definition of ignorant.

 

[1fisher]

Take away the WR being pampered by the owner, and the OC gets freed up to spread the ball where it is most effective, not to who will cry the loudest if they don't get it.

right here's your winner!!

 

[AbeBeta]

no it isn't. there is cap space, cap hit and cap freed. if you know what each term means, you will understand the impact of cutting a player. a cap hit is exactly that, if you get rid of said player, your cap will be hit with an additional amount...i don't think it's that difficult. then again...as an engineer i was required to do lots of math that didn't involve numbers :laugh2:

Are you seriously saying that our hit would be another 9 mill if we let TO go? If so, you need to stop whatever engineering work you are doing b/c you are a danger to society. Our hit is 9 mill IF we keep him and 9.6 if he isn't here.


I know, as an engineer, your short sleeve shirt and tie combo limits your ability to think about real world issues like this. But what those #s mean to most people is that you increase your cap hit a tiny bit by releasing the player.