A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team

[WillieBeamen]

Funny you say this when we have saw Mahomes get beat without Kelce and Jones first game of the year and not look good doing it. Roger's GB didn't do anything last year, Herbert has won nothing, Hurts has literally all the help in the world...

Dak balled out WC card round last year 305 and 4 TDs, for example. In a lose or go home playoff game on the road. He took a bottom scoring offence to a top scoring offence when he retuned from injury.

He has flaws for sure, but the consent hyperbole that he somehow unique in what he needs to succeed is either intellectually lazy or intentionally incorrect.

yea he did. So why didnt he do it the next week against an actual good team?

It was Kellen Moore‘S fault and because Pollard got hurt, right?

 

[Jkyle]

5-8 years experience: Daniel Jones (5), Jackson (6), Allen (6), Baker Mayfield (6), Mahomes (7), Joshua Dobbs (7), Deshaun Watson (7), Dak Prescott (8), Jared Goff (8). 9-12 years experience: Derek Carr (10), Jimmy Garoppolo (10), Geno Smith (11), Kirk Cousins (12), Russell Wilson (12), Ryan Tannehill (12).

OP You wanna try that again, or will you admit you're Wrong. I saw Jimmy G last night He did anything but elevate his team. Mahomes is Mahomes he's been carrying those guys since he started playing

A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team​

• Thread starterJkyle
• Start date19 minutes ago

That's what I mean, no thought, no sense just regurgitate Stuff, Man I just can't

Ok, it's 8 not 7, which makes it worse. The fact that those other 5-12 year QB's don't elevate either doesn't give Dak a pass. It just demonstrates that he is similar to many other QB's who are just Average to Above Average and nothing special and not someone who can bring a team to a Super Bowl victory.
So my OP stands and your response in nonsensical.

 

[Pass2Run]

It's one game. I still believe in this team. But it's going to be a whole lot harder without Diggs.

 

[CowboyFrog]

He lead the league in INTs, so I will give you that.

well so did Josh Allen but his INT "Dont count" just his good stuff, Matthew stafford and Allen are fighting it out for the lead so far this year..lol but i know "its different"..

 

[erod]

Funny you say this when we have saw Mahomes get beat without Kelce and Jones first game of the year and not look good doing it. Roger's GB didn't do anything last year, Herbert has won nothing, Hurts has literally all the help in the world...

Dak balled out WC card round last year 305 and 4 TDs, for example. In a lose or go home playoff game on the road. He took a bottom scoring offence to a top scoring offence when he retuned from injury.

He has flaws for sure, but the consent hyperbole that he somehow unique in what he needs to succeed is either intellectually lazy or intentionally incorrect.

Every team in the playoffs would have destroyed that gawd awful Tampa team, which limped into the playoffs like a blind, wounded supermodel.

The two games always brought up are that one and the Green Bay game when Rodgers beat us in the end.

That Packers team was dreadul and throttled the next week. They were down by 4 touchdowns before halftime the next week.

Brady and the Bucs were just terrible, but they were in a division of filth and won it by basically a coin flip.

 

[MapleLeaf]

A 7 year QB Starter is probably a 7 year QB starter precisely because he elevates the team​

Or that is all they have on the squad to start. I don't beleive every single 7 year starter elevates a team.. Russel Wilson case in point.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Or that is all they have on the squad to start. I don't beleive every single 7 year starter elevates a team.. Russel Wilson case in point.

other than Mahomes I'm not sure there is a QB that "Elevates" a team and he still has talent on his team also...

 

[Havic]

This roster is loaded and we got Trent Dilfer at the helm. Smfh

 

[CyberB0b]

well so did Josh Allen but his INT "Dont count" just his good stuff, Matthew stafford and Allen are fighting it out for the lead so far this year..lol but i know "its different"..

Josh Allen also threw 35TDs. Dak threw 23. Josh Allen had 567 attempts, Dak had only 394. That's a difference of 173 attempts.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Josh Allen also threw 35TDs. Dak threw 23. Josh Allen had 567 attempts, Dak had only 394. That's a difference of 173 attempts.

So your good with INT's as long as he throws the ball enough to get them? Tell me who turns the ball over more per game in thier career? I get it one guy gets every excuse and one gets all the blame..makes sense to someone somewhere i guess...

 

[McKDaddy]

Every team in the playoffs would have destroyed that gawd awful Tampa team, which limped into the playoffs like a blind, wounded supermodel.

The two games always brought up are that one and the Green Bay game when Rodgers beat us in the end.

That Packers team was dreadul and throttled the next week. They were down by 4 touchdowns before halftime the next week.

Brady and the Bucs were just terrible, but they were in a division of filth and won it by basically a coin flip.

For the life of me I don't understand anyone using the Tampa win as a standard of excellence. The only reservation about that game was whether Brady would catch another round of GOAT magic and pull off another incredible upset.

Green Bay, if someone says by and large for a rookie Dak played pretty well, I could live with that. But he was also very much a part of why Green Bay jumped out to the big lead. You are exactly right, they were not a good defensive team. The comeback wasn't some super hero triumph, it was what we should have been doing to them the entire game. Given the youth of that squad, I can understand that we didn't but making it close is way overrated by some folks.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

well it was in context to the post i was replying to, did it strike a nerve with you?

No....no nerve struck. The original post you quoted listed like 15 other qbs not named mahomes. And in fact indicated him as an exception.
(shrug)

 

[TheDude]

5-8 years experience: Daniel Jones (5), Jackson (6), Allen (6), Baker Mayfield (6), Mahomes (7), Joshua Dobbs (7), Deshaun Watson (7), Dak Prescott (8), Jared Goff (8). 9-12 years experience: Derek Carr (10), Jimmy Garoppolo (10), Geno Smith (11), Kirk Cousins (12), Russell Wilson (12), Ryan Tannehill (12).

OP You wanna try that again, or will you admit you're Wrong. I saw Jimmy G last night He did anything but elevate his team. Mahomes is Mahomes he's been carrying those guys since he started playing

A 7 year QB Starter should elevate a team​

• Thread starterJkyle
• Start date19 minutes ago

That's what I mean, no thought, no sense just regurgitate Stuff, Man I just can't

I think you missed the point. Mayfield, Watson, Carr, Goff, Garappolo, Smith, Cousins, Wilson and Tanneyhill were all deemed to not be "the guy" by their original team. Everyone of the 9-12 year group is near journeyman status - nowhere in the conversation as a top QB

 

[TheDude]

Listen, I completely understand Dak's limitations as a QB. I spent much of last season trying to articulate them. But despite all I have said and believe I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks Dak was the issue yesterday. There is more talk of Dak than that ridiculous blown coverage that allowed Arizona to get an easy 69 yards and into position to score another TD to ice the game. The Cowboys had just kicked a FG to get within 5 points and after kicking off, on the very first Arizona play of the drive, backup QB Joshua Dobbs hits an uncovered receiver for 69 yards from his own 24 yard line. Game over right there. If Dak was somehow responsible for that mistake this board would like up like the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.

And what about the 13 penalties, 11 coming in the first half. They had more penalties than points in the first half. Is Dak to blame?

The 2nd play from scrimmage for the Cardinals, Dobbs runs right around the left side for 44 yards to set the tempo for the rest of the game. Did Dak miss a tackle or get caught out of position? Was Dak chasing inside when the play went right around him like Lucy pulling the ball away just a Charlie Brown tried to kick it?

Dak was not the problem yesterday. Yes, he made a couple of mistakes but overall he played a decent game. The INT late in the game was a bad throw but also a desperate throw.

The defense gave up 28 points and allowed the Cardinals to score on every drive in the first half. Dak's fault?

The Cowboys had 416 yards in offense yesterday. 185 rushing yards. They have red zone issues for sure, but the bigger problem was the defense. Right now I am more worried about our CB situation than the QB situation.

16 points

 

[CowboyFrog]

No....no nerve struck. The original post you quoted listed like 15 other qbs not named mahomes. And in fact indicated him as an exception.
(shrug)

correct which is why i agreed with him..

 

[pitt33]

I call B.S The same people who hated Dak day one , still hate him It doesn't matter what he does.

Haters gonna hate. Qb the team to the divisional playoffs, and people act as if he 's a scrub. I want a Super Bowl too , but ya'll some catty assed , hatin people. Period

Stop with the hate talk.

Nobody hates the man. He seems like a great dude. He really does.

Certain fans are just tired of him as the starting quarterback who can’t seem to put the team on his back when they need him.

 

[CowboyFrog]

16 points

28 points by a Josh Dobbs led offense..which is more ridiculous?

 

[McKDaddy]

So your good with INT's as long as he throws the ball enough to get them? Tell me who turns the ball over more per game in thier career? I get it one guy gets every excuse and one gets all the blame..makes sense to someone somewhere i guess...

Surely you understand that raw interception numbers aren't as meaningful as say interceptions per attempt or TD to interception ratio.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Surely you understand that raw interception numbers aren't as meaningful as say interceptions per attempt or TD to interception ratio.

Ok who has more INT per attempt over thier career? Goalpost moving in 3,2,1

 

[5Stars]

thats wierd do you often ask other men on the internet this question?

No, just weird men that talk about trains.