CFZ A bold roster strategy I would support

[ghst187]

I understand Dak, because he's had enough chances and has proven he can't get it done. I understand guys like DLaw, because he's older. (Plus he's very tired.)

But why do people want to get rid of CeeDee? I don't get it. He's a stud at one of the most coveted positions in the league, and he's still young.

Ceedee is the one guy I’d keep of the OP lot. Agree on the rest..

 

[America's Cowboy]

And only the Homers know who to believe in. Lol

You didn’t believe before Dak came along. What if you’re as wrong as the Romo homers were.

Nah, Romo had potential. Too bad he went Hollywood during his prime. By the time he settled down, he was old and breaking down. Dak is in his prime right now and a family man. He's zeroed in. You don't get rid of an All Pro who's in his prime and zeroed in.

 

[Diehardblues]

Nah, Romo had potential. Too bad he went Hollywood during his prime. By the time he settled down, he was old and breaking down. Dak is in his prime right now and a family man. He's zeroed in. You don't get rid of an All Pro who's in his prime and zeroed in.

I didn’t say anything about getting rid of him. But his history in the playoffs does provide fans enough not to believe in.

Generally more fans believe in someone who has more success on the bigger stages. Especially QB’s.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I didn’t say anything about getting rid of him. But his history in the playoffs does provide fans enough not to believe in.

Generally more fans believe in someone who has more success on the bigger stages. Especially QB’s.

Understood but their anger is misplaced. Kurt Warner has broken down for 3 playoffs straight how the play/route designs are what's hurting both Dak and our receivers, setting them up for failure. The coaches clearly have not picked this up or better altered those routes and playcalls. Now, if a receiver had his defender beat but Dak threw it way off for an INT, that clearly would be on Dak. Too many many fans are like our coaches: stubborn and refusing to acknowledge what Kurt Warner is explaining what is wrong, why it failed and ultimately refusing to fix it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Understood but their anger is misplaced. Kurt Warner has broken down for 3 playoffs straight how the play/route designs are what's hurting both Dak and our receivers, setting them up for failure. The coaches clearly have not picked this up or better altered those routes and playcalls. Now, if a receiver had his defender beat but Dak threw it way off for an INT, that clearly would be on Dak. Too many many fans are like our coaches: stubborn and refusing to acknowledge what Kurt Warner is explaining what is wrong, why it failed and ultimately refusing to fix it.

I’m not here defending the extremes on this site. I have taken on both extremes. I’ve maintained I’m more in the middle which I believe most fans are or have been.

Most Cowboy fans I know personally are not totally blaming Dak for our lack of success in playoffs. And think he could be enough.

But they also after 8 years are wondering if it’s just not in the cards. Frustration is certainly understandable. While I can see why some still believe in Dak I can also see why some have given up faith.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

Super bowl winning KC disagrees w/

Super bowl winning KC disagrees w/ you.

Do they now? What elite 1st round draft choice did they get rid of over the last 8 years?

 

[Jarntt]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

I get your premise and I am fine with a cap reset year and I am fine with moving on from the guys who won't be here much longer. Of course any move like this means trading or cutting Dak because you don't keep him and move on from other players. That would make no sense. There would be a huge cap impact in terms of dead money from trading Martin (minimal base salary and high bonuses that have yet to hit the cap and won't go away in a trade) so that isn't likely happening. There is absolutely no way I would move on from Parsons. I just don't understand how I can read this over and over on here. The guy is one of the best players in the league. You win with stars and he can't do everything himself. You build around Parsons, you don't trade him. He is a generational player and he is only 24! Who does he have on the other side to take some of the attention off of him in the pass rush and yet QBs get rid of the ball against us at one of the faster rates in the league and it's because of one person. He should be playing some LB on early downs and Edge on passing downs to keep him fresher. Plug him in and look back after 10 years and fit him for his gold jacket. I also wonder why we would move on from Diggs. I don't think he is a top 5 type CB and IMO no player is untradeable and has a value, but he is young and if you trade him you still have some dead money to deal with. Look at his cap hits per year, they aren't bad and he will also be here for a number of years to still contribute when we come out of the other side of a rebuild. So I guess my issue with your scenario is I look at it as a guarantee we will suck for 3 to 4 years minimum and then it's putting your hopes on Jerry and Stephen to use those picks and cap dollars to build a better team than we would have by keeping Micah and Diggs and CeeDee. Is that really likely? There is little chance those picks would bring equal players so where is the upside after a few years of stinking? The older players and one year of stinking I'm all for because it allows you to build around that young core. But unloading good young players is the opposite of what a team looking to be good in a few years should be doing. just my two cents

 

[blueblood70]

Anyone else find this place is comical and entertaining is the 75 posts we see of unprofessional amateurish writers behind a keyboard trying to advise and give plans to a fully seasoned professional staff??

I mean it's so crazy to have amateurs sit back behind a computer thinking that they have a better plan, the better idea, and something that fits more to their time frame, it's something they would accept more than again a professional staff full of very experienced football people..

Its not just Jerry with a gavel and or a dart board..

I I don't get that you all don't understand that they have 1200 employees ,if you count everybody and the players and that includes a lot of management a lot of scouts and yes will McClay is the GM...

I don't care about who has the title and who does the talking, then we have a bunch of professional coaches who have been head coaches or assistant coaches for the better part of 30 to 40 years.. I think they'll get it figured out if we just give them time to get the team put together in five months before game one...
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So all these plans from a lot of y'all who really believe you think you can do a better job with strategies and roster building and the way you would handle free agents and trades why are you wasting your talents I don't know what you all do for a living but it for sure isn't running professional football teams especially one that's worth $10 billion and has at least a winning tradition regardless if we haven't got past that hump everybody wants they literally have more experience than you they do know what they're doing even if it doesn't match what you think they're supposed to be doing...

The ego maniacal fan base who think because they watch and follow professional football team and see other teams do things then they could just try to use that philosophy to come in here and advise us on how they can do a better job than what they would accept from the front office in order to be part of the fan base moving forward...​

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lmao good stuff​

 

[Diehardblues]

Anyone else find this place is comical and entertaining is the 75 posts we see of unprofessional amateurish writers behind a keyboard trying to advise and give plans to a fully seasoned professional staff??

I mean it's so crazy to have amateurs sit back behind a computer thinking that they have a better plan, the better idea, and something that fits more to their time frame, it's something they would accept more than again a professional staff full of very experienced football people..

Its not just Jerry with a gavel and or a dart board..

I I don't get that you all don't understand that they have 1200 employees ,if you count everybody and the players and that includes a lot of management a lot of scouts and yes will McClay is the GM...

I don't care about who has the title and who does the talking, then we have a bunch of professional coaches who have been head coaches or assistant coaches for the better part of 30 to 40 years.. I think they'll get it figured out if we just give them time to get the team put together in five months before game one...
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So all these plans from a lot of y'all who really believe you think you can do a better job with strategies and roster building and the way you would handle free agents and trades why are you wasting your talents I don't know what you all do for a living but it for sure isn't running professional football teams especially one that's worth $10 billion and has at least a winning tradition regardless if we haven't got past that hump everybody wants they literally have more experience than you they do know what they're doing even if it doesn't match what you think they're supposed to be doing...

The ego maniacal fan base who think because they watch and follow professional football team and see other teams do things then they could just try to use that philosophy to come in here and advise us on how they can do a better job than what they would accept from the front office in order to be part of the fan base moving forward...​

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lmao good stuff​

So, you’re totally supportive of our ownership and FO, their decision making process and level of success they have had in 21st Century?

You have no suggestions or critique to add. Not a single thing you’d do differently ??

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I understand Dak, because he's had enough chances and has proven he can't get it done. I understand guys like DLaw, because he's older. (Plus he's very tired.)

But why do people want to get rid of CeeDee? I don't get it. He's a stud at one of the most coveted positions in the league, and he's still young.

Because when you rebuilding your team you are starting over at QB, RB, OL (with 2 or 3 already here), a WR2 ....and you are gonna pay your WR1 in excess of $30m a year? Does not make any sense. He is not gonna be a factor, wasted money that is needed to spread out to the OL. Trade him and have draft capital to pick more players or use to move up in the draft.

 

[cowboybish]

You're getting bold here Haze I love it!!!! I wonder what the cap problems we would accrue doing all of this, instead of not letting the guys like Martin/lawrence play out their last season here

I’ve said this all along. Gather as many topics as you can, and reset, including a first round quarterback.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I’ve said this all along. Gather as many topics as you can, and reset, including a first round quarterback.

what about a first round talent that may drop to the 2nd????? Rest to me is fine as long as the plan was really thought out well

 

[blueblood70]

I’ve said this all along. Gather as many topics as you can, and reset, including a first round quarterback.

First of all who cares what anybody says in here nobody in here's a professional nobody in here knows more than the Cowboys front office they literally have been a top six team the last three years they'll get it figured out but I guarantee this this whole strategy thing isn't gonna work for 2024 we're too far into the process Prescott doesn't have as many options now because they've already passed that point where many teams have already settled on their quarterbacks or they're gonna get one in the draft it's too late for that because in order for Prescott to get traded he would have to waive his no trade clause and for sure they're not doing a dumb thing like Denver and eating $65 million to have a guy play somewhere else that would be the dumbest business move in the history of football given the fact that Prescott had his best year......

So we can table all these rebuild talks for next year that would be 2025 the Cowboys right now as they sit have a bunch of contracts on hold they have a one year head coach a one year defensive coordinator and they will get it either figured out before the season starts or this is gonna go into the offseason of 2025 and we're gonna see if the Cowboys wanna do a full reboot....​

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Right now we're going into the season trying to make one last push with this current team... There are no better plans from the fan base there are no strategies there is nobody in here that knows more than the Cowboys front office I'm sorry whatever it might seem they don't know they definitely have 100 times more experience than anybody in here that includes everybody posting all these ideas as if they're professionals....​

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These are nothing more than input from a fan base it's all opinions... We are all at the mercy of the Dallas Cowboys front office they will build this team they have plenty of time between now and game one to go through the free agent pool drafts and make trades and get back at it...​

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s apparent some fans struggle or flatly don’t comprehend what a fan forum is all about.

 

[infamousstyles]

For any other FO, this could be considered.

 

[Chasing6]

what about a first round talent that may drop to the 2nd????? Rest to me is fine as long as the plan was really thought out well

What about a 2nd round talent that Jethro drafts in the first? Then asks him to drop 30 pounds.

 

[blueblood70]

With the large amount of cap space and extra draft picks coming next year, it's then you will see big changes.

Exactly any of those suggestions above those plans far too late no way to be that aggressive for 2024 unless you would have thought about that in February too many teams have already traded for quarterbacks have other quarterbacks targeted in the draft and there is not as big a market as there would have been a month ago so all this should be changed to 2025 an aggressive rebuild in 2025 can be done in a very similar manner because they don't have to sign any of these guys that are up for big contracts Prescott will be gone during free agency because he no longer will be a cowboy you can't trade a guy that has a no trade clause it will have a very limited group of teams he'd be willing to go to and it might be a little late in the process to be suggesting something to do already a month into free agency...

So we're past that I mean where exactly is Prescott gonna go if they went to him right now and and asked him if he'd like to be traded and give them a list of teams which of those teams actually need a quarterback that he would go to? And those teams would have to want a player like Prescott who is great but is due for a big payday over who they can probably get in the draft show me that list of teams because it all starts and stops right there imo...

So Bob's a little late accusing the front office of not willing to do this one more pass that in my opinion they will probably do this next year who knows most of those guys could be traded instead of it new contracts being awarded and you may not get anything for Prescott but you sure will have his money off and with all the draft compensation you're gonna get and I believe if we lose Prescott we should get some kind of compensation whether it's a third round pick or something when you lose a guy... So yes 2025 like you said that is when we'll probably see a complete rebuild if they don't find a way to keep Prescott and decide that the rest of the guys are not worth keeping if they gotta find a new quarterback anyway.....

 

[KJJ]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

With your plan you would be moving much closer to a top 5 pick than building a championship contender. You can’t move on from young cornerstone players like CeeDee and Parsons and expect to compete, especially without a viable QB. You have to hang onto a few players that you can build around. That’s what Jimmy did when he arrived. You can’t just trade all your best players for some rolls of the dice in the draft. Jimmy traded one great player for a bunch of draft picks. He had a terrible team and needed a quick fix. No way would he tear down a team coming off three straight 12 win seasons and have to replace his starting QB, WR and top defensive player.

 

[blueblood70]

With your plan you would be moving much closer to a top 5 pick than building a championship contender. You can’t move on from young cornerstone players like CeeDee and Parsons and expect to compete, especially without a viable QB. You have to hang onto a few players that you can build around. That’s what Jimmy did when he arrived. You can’t just trade all your best players for some rolls of the dice in the draft. Jimmy traded one great player for a bunch of draft picks. He had a terrible team and needed a quick fix. No way would he tear down a team coming off three straight 12 win seasons and have to replace his starting QB, WR and top defensive player.

Well I don't think most teams would do that...

that is why I keep saying this place is full of opinions by very amateurish writers who think they have answers and advice for an entire organization that is full of professional football guys.

I don't care what you think of Jerry Jones, he's been around the block a few times but he has people working for him they're under him will McClay the scouts, the coaches they all have 30 plus years experience,

I don't know many teams that would literally just explode a team that you just said three straight 12 win seasons... they do need to make some changes and maybe some critical ones ,which they may make before game one but yes this whole rebuild mode you never really hear this from a team that's won two division titles in a division where a lot of this place seems to think the Eagles have a better GM and yet we beat them twice for the division in the last three years been to the playoffs, actually five out of the last eight years with a healthy quarterback..

Of course we all want to do better in the playoffs of course we want another NFC championship game but the craziness that's happened since the Green Bay game from the fan base all this talk is just nuts I believe it could be done in 2025 but the whole premise of doing this in 2024 starts with the quarterback and it's a little late in the game as far as the offseason goes to now trying to trade your quarterback you would have done that a month ago proposed that to Prescott and let him make a list to see if he'd waive the no trade clause for certain teams and then done this before free agency started.. Too many pieces have moved around already too many boards have been made to do this in 2024...

 

[FVSTONE]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

Dang Bobby, some of your best stuff, thank you..............