CFZ A bold roster strategy I would support

[75boyz]

It's not just bad it's historic underachievement. No other team has squandered three straight 12 win seasons without making it to a conference title game. Historic underachievement is clearly a failure. The 12 win seasons were empty calories because nothing good came of them. They only add to the Cowboys collection of historic failures no other team can match.

Preach it brother.
Empty calories indeed.

 

[Bobhaze]

are you also firing mccarthy?

I would have fired Mac in January. McCarthy is better than any coach we’ve had since Parcells. But when you get trucked at home by a 7 seed in the worst playoff loss in the team’s 64 year history, you don’t recover from that IMO.

If I had been GM I would have cleaned house. If I was owner, I would have fired the GM named Jones and hired someone else. Because it’s clear he can’t get it done.

 

[Bobhaze]

Well done, very well done. That's what I would do also.

Coupla adds:

CD: Aside from what you've already said, paying any WR 30 mil/season is foolish and is not the way to a title. Simply get some sharp route runners in here and they will more than replace CD. Of course, this would require better drafting and an emphasis on route running, lateral agility, burst, and balance. Right now we put way too much emphasis on height and speed and college production. Don't get me wrong, those things are all important, but they pale in comparison to the ability to get open, something we seem to just ignore.

I think Zach would bring way more than what you think. Several teams are ready to die for quality OL's. 1st, or two 2nds.

I simply have seen no signs that this roster is playoff capable.

I’m 100% with you on the WR thing. I’ve never understood why so many fans who think it’s crazy to pay a QB $40-50 mil a year, also think it’s totally fine to pay a WR $30 mil. Or won’t bat an eye when Parsons gets $25-30 mil a year and the team underachieves again for the umpteenth year.

I wish more fans could see that the Jones FO roster plan is based primarily on sales and marketing, not winning playoff games. The core of this roster has done almost nothing in the playoffs and we can’t wait to pay them top of the market paydays.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

So you spend millions on scouting in the hopes of hitting the jackpot in the lottery that is the NFL Draft only to get rid of them in the hopes of repeating that luck against all odds?
Good plan. You draft a guy in the first round and you hit on it, you re-sign him. You don't let him go.

 

[America's Cowboy]

AC, those 12 win seasons were good. But I would also call the 1 playoff win in 3 years bad. Worse is having this core of players underperform in the playoffs year after year and somehow expect the next time to be “magic”.

BH, Kurt Warner has explained the past 3 playoffs how to fix this team both offensively and defensively, but this front office and coaches are stubborn and ignorant.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Sure, but fans not believing aren’t impacting results like players could.

Disagree. Getting rid of the negative Nancy fans helped improve the atmosphere around the team, school and town. It made a big difference with the team on the field.

 

[Flamma]

While I don't disagree completely, I think there were way too many holes to fill, and pushing more money to future seasons is not the answer. Dak's salary this year is only 29 mil. The rest of the 59 hit comes from bonuses that have been pushed down the road. 29 mil wouldn't make a dent in what we need to become a super bowl contender.

I didn't say just do a restructure, I said extension. When you do an extension, you can restructure everything. Not just the 29M. They can make his cap hit 5M if they wanted. Lamb would be another 7-8M. Some other players as well.

I'm not even advocating going crazy here. You don't need a ton of cap space to get 3-4 players. Around 30M could do that. And it would make the team better than last year. For example, the Eagles picked up Barkley. His cap hit is 3.8M.

 

[noshame]

Trading CeeDee would depend if Lance works out
Lance looks solid, I keep CeeDee.

 

[fivetwos]

It's not just bad it's historic underachievement. No other team has squandered three straight 12 win seasons without making it to a conference title game. Historic underachievement is clearly a failure. The 12 win seasons were empty calories because nothing good came of them. They only add to the Cowboys collection of historic failures no other team can match.

Under the previous playoff format, the first to blow a one seed. Did anyone else besides Dallas blow two of them under that alignment?

First to lose a 2/7 game under the current playoff format.

Can’t say for sure if it’s about the owner on radio constantly talking “Super Bowl” as soon as late September that makes them feel the need to not show for earlier round playoff games.

 

[mcmvp]

Definitely trade Micah…I’d probably keep Lamb. I’d trade Dak too, but that one is too unrealistic with his ntc

 

[Diehardblues]

Disagree. Getting rid of the negative Nancy fans helped improve the atmosphere around the team, school and town. It made a big difference with the team on the field.

Yea, that’s all these teams around the country with less success are missing is more Homerish fans who believe . Lol

 

[kskboys]

So you spend millions on scouting in the hopes of hitting the jackpot in the lottery that is the NFL Draft only to get rid of them in the hopes of repeating that luck against all odds?
Good plan. You draft a guy in the first round and you hit on it, you re-sign him. You don't let him go.

Super bowl winning KC disagrees w/ you.

 

[raven55]

no meaningful playoff games for a long long long time

 

[baltcowboy]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

Who are you building the team around? If you trade your 3 best players why are you keeping Diggs? You sound like you’re doing the Philadelphia 76ers plan on rebuilding with Embid and Simmons but you going with Dieon’s son as your center piece. I am trying to figure out the reason why anyone would go to watch next seasons team with your plan. That is franchise suicide from marketing. I guess you are hoping the Cowboys will get several top 3 round picks for three all pros. Like I said in another thread you hope and dream those picks would produce one all pro season because several is almost impossible. Dak, Parsons, and CeeDee are 3 of the top 20 players in football. Make it make sense. If we had a young quarterback waiting in wings, Sam looked like Parsons light, and Tolbert looked like a strong two maybe. We have no talent but for 8 players.

 

[75boyz]

I’m 100% with you on the WR thing. I’ve never understood why so many fans who think it’s crazy to pay a QB $40-50 mil a year, also think it’s totally fine to pay a WR $30 mil. Or won’t bat an eye when Parsons gets $25-30 mil a year and the team underachieves again for the umpteenth year.

I wish more fans could see that the Jones FO roster plan is based primarily on sales and marketing, not winning playoff games. The core of this roster has done almost nothing in the playoffs and we can’t wait to pay them top of the market paydays.

Ahhh, the old art of the sale. Now that's one thing this Owner/GM is extremely talented at.

Building a championship contending football team?
Not so much.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yea, that’s all these teams around the country with less success are missing is more Homerish fans who believe . Lol

Laugh all you want. I'm simply expressing what I've experienced work.

 

[JoeKing]

In the interest of maintaining competition in the league, I'm sure the commish would have something to say about so obviously blowing up a damn good team. I don't think he would allow all that to be done in one offseason.

 

[Diehardblues]

Laugh all you want. I'm simply expressing what I've experienced work.

And only the Homers know who to believe in. Lol

You didn’t believe before Dak came along. What if you’re as wrong as the Romo homers were.

 

[Malhavoc]

I always ask this question. Do you really trust these guys to tear it down and rebuild completely from scratch ? I do not.

 

[Whyjerry]

Let me say right off the bat, what I’m about to suggest will never happen. Why? Because Jerry Jones no longer takes big risks in attempts to build a championship roster. In fact, sadly Jerry and Stephen clearly make sales and marketing the centerpiece of what drives this organization more than sound roster moves that give us better chances of winning playoff games.

Most fans around here probably would not support my roster plan either. And I understand that. But I believe this is the way to make this team better in the long run. So what is the roster building strategy I would support? Here it is:

• Make 2024 an aggressive rebuild. Simply put, if we are being honest, there is no core of this team that has done anything important in the playoffs. Yes, the last 3 years have given us 3 playoff appearances, BUT…that has resulted in 1 wild card win. That’s not worth building around IMO.
• Seek trades for Cedee Lamb, Micah Parsons, Dak, Zack Martin and D-Law. Having all these top paid guys (Lamb and Parsons will be soon) collectively have given us 3 wild card wins - one back when Romo was QB. Here’s my thinking on this:
  • Trade Cedee Lamb- why? Yes Lamb deserves a big payday. But I would not pay him top market dollar because keeping him here at top market value does not make this team better. It keeps it the same. He has disappeared at times in big games and pouts way too easily. I would see if we could get a first round pick for him.
  • Trade Micah Parsons- I would think long and hard about paying this guy top of the defensive market. Not because of talent. He’s the most talented guy on this team. But he’s also the biggest head case on this team. Hate to say it, he disappears in big games, pouts and talks waaaay too much. Trade him while his value is high. He might garner a first and a second round pick.
  • Trade Dak Prescott- I know the Jones boys don’t have the stones to do this but I would be vigorously seeking trade partners right now for Dak. They should have shopped him to Pitts because I think Dak would have agreed to that trade. That “no trade clause” just means they need to find a team he would like. It may be too late now.
  • See what trading Zack Martin, Trevon Diggs and D-Law could garner- doubtful there would be much value for Martin and Law at their age but I would explore it. Diggs maybe.
• Use the haul in draft picks for a rebuild of the core of this team.
  • Draft a QB in the first round for a change.
  • Draft a LT, G/C, WR and edge rusher the next two years that you can build around.

As stated earlier, the current core of this team has not given us much of anything in playoff wins. Isn’t that what we are supposed to be about? Winning playoff games? Like I said at the beginning, this will never happen. The Jones boys are mostly about sales and marketing. This is why they sign their “marquee” players whether or not having them means we have a legit shot at a Lombardi.

IMO it is long past the time to move on from this core of players who have underachieved. A new era of Cowboys football should be in the making. Don‘t hold your breath. There are jerseys and commercials to sell first.

I would keep Lamb because an elite WR helps the new QB day 1. Plus Lamb has the dawg in him. Agree on everything else. Can’t pay Parsons. That guy is a problem in waiting.