A complete receiver makeover?

[CouchCoach]

I think watching Dez' tantrums are getting as old watching Garretts' clapping.

I agree but according to Romo, most of what he does on the sideline is positive, excepting the obvious. I do not see that as a distraction, in any case. If these guys get discombobulated with that, they're the ones that need to go.

If we hadn't known what Irvin was doing after the fact, how might we have construed his emotion on the sideline? He looked mad to me. I can remember every game Madden did, he made the same comment "they need to get Michael Irvin involved early on". Irvin was a different player when they did that but as the game wore on and his involvement was diminishing, he wasn't the same player.

Not defending Dez at all because I don't like his behavior but if we're going to keep him, use him. Going got pay him as a #1WR use him just as that as they did Irvin. The Cowboys had Emmitt but they made sure to keep Irvin right up there with him so he didn't feel slighted because that position is second only to QB in ego. Has Dez become the forgotten superstar with Dak and Zeke showing up?

The problem the Cowboys have created is one of Dez feeling he's not important, not wanted. The attempt to get Watkins, a totally unproven commodity as a #1WR and ability to stay healthy, has sent the message. And all of this route running BS is just that. He's the same route runner he was when they did that second contract. I think they screwed the pooch with him and keeping him may not be the smart thing to do now. Dez filters through the emotion and his lash out at fans about kiss my *** demonstrates that....that message was meant for the team, not just those fans.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't pay attention to the commentary, just look at the throws.

I looked at them. How were those first few throws bad throws? Because it left Dez out to dry?

 

[jterrell]

The Deonte Thompson signing replaces Brice Butler, but are we witnessing a far bigger receiver turnover in the works?

Dallas' strong pursuit of Sammy Watkins, I believe, was to replace Dez Bryant, not complement him. And I think the latter still sounds likely after June 1st. Adding a receiver like Allen Hurns, combined with drafting Calvin Ridley or Christian Kirk....and I think Dez better get his bags packed. They seem to be TRYING to replace him.

Ryan Switzer and Cole Beasley are somewhat redundant. Switzer returns punts, is cheaper, and is more sturdily built. Bye, Cole?

We could conceivably see a starting receiving group next year comprised of something like Ridley, Hurns, Switzer, and Thompson. The Dez/Cole/TWill/Butler experiment could be over in its entirety.

It seems they believe their receiving corps and grown too stale, and perhaps too content.

Eventually yes like they did at DB.
It is a couple seasons process.

Could definitely see them feeling this WR CLASS depth is great and drafting a couple guys.

 

[Nightman]

Dez- Ridley- TWill- Switzer- DThompson

Trade Beasley to Ravens

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Here’s my ideal receiving corps:

X - Dez Bryant, Jaleel Scott
Y - Ryan Switzer
Z - D.J. Moore, Lance Lenoir

Keep Dez at least another year but draft Jaleel Scott to be his successor. He can do everything before the catch that prime-Dez was doing.

D.J. Moore is the perfect Z for our offense. Can’t say enough good things about him. He’d probably be Dak’s favorite receiver week one.

We don’t need Beasley. We have his younger, cheaper, more explosive replacement already on the roster. He should be traded.

I just heard recently on one of the Cowboys’ talk shows that Lance Lenoir is Dak’s favorite receiver and who he practices with the most. I have no problem giving him the final receiver spot if they have great chemistry.

Terrance Williams would be an addition by subtraction. I don’t care if we have to swallow his contract.

Thompson could qeasily be cut if we come away with better options in the draft. In my scenario, we did.

Noah Brown doesn’t really bring anything to our offense that the others can’t. No issues cutting him.

Terrance Williams is not a addition by subtraction. That's a bit extreme. He's not a part of the offense enough to be a addition by subtraction.

 

[Dylan88Wilson]

Terrance Williams is not a addition by subtraction. That's a bit extreme. He's not a part of the offense enough to be a addition by subtraction.

He scored more defensive touchdowns than offensive touchdowns last season and he has the catch radius of a couch pillow. He’s an addition by subtraction.

 

[jterrell]

I agree but according to Romo, most of what he does on the sideline is positive, excepting the obvious. I do not see that as a distraction, in any case. If these guys get discombobulated with that, they're the ones that need to go.

If we hadn't known what Irvin was doing after the fact, how might we have construed his emotion on the sideline? He looked mad to me. I can remember every game Madden did, he made the same comment "they need to get Michael Irvin involved early on". Irvin was a different player when they did that but as the game wore on and his involvement was diminishing, he wasn't the same player.

Not defending Dez at all because I don't like his behavior but if we're going to keep him, use him. Going got pay him as a #1WR use him just as that as they did Irvin. The Cowboys had Emmitt but they made sure to keep Irvin right up there with him so he didn't feel slighted because that position is second only to QB in ego. Has Dez become the forgotten superstar with Dak and Zeke showing up?

The problem the Cowboys have created is one of Dez feeling he's not important, not wanted. The attempt to get Watkins, a totally unproven commodity as a #1WR and ability to stay healthy, has sent the message. And all of this route running BS is just that. He's the same route runner he was when they did that second contract. I think they screwed the pooch with him and keeping him may not be the smart thing to do now. Dez filters through the emotion and his lash out at fans about kiss my *** demonstrates that....that message was meant for the team, not just those fans.

The Dez stuff kills me.
We've seen him mic'd up and saying positive things all the while it was assumed he was blowing a gasket.
These are largely idiotic complaints that are flatly untrue.
He's a demonstrative guy and when he says "LETS GO!!!" while hopping or scowling it is assumed he is crying to get the football.
That's not theory but actual facts we know!

Dez is no longer a top 5 WR and he isn't worth his base salary so fans wanna crap on him and say nonsense and the team seems to encourage it as a way to drive his value down.
If we cut this guy he will likely follow Demarcus Ware's path and go win a SB then come back here to retire and eventually make the Ring of Honor.
It's awful hard to find a true 88. Fans are largely stupid and I truly depise them at times like undervaluing guys who played hurt and excelled for them and couldn't possibly be more all-in on being a Cowboy.

 

[jterrell]

He scored more defensive touchdowns than offensive touchdowns last season and he has the catch radius of a couch pillow. He’s an addition by subtraction.

He's a top 5 blocking WR on a team that wants to lead the league in rushing.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I agree but according to Romo, most of what he does on the sideline is positive, excepting the obvious. I do not see that as a distraction, in any case. If these guys get discombobulated with that, they're the ones that need to go.

If we hadn't known what Irvin was doing after the fact, how might we have construed his emotion on the sideline? He looked mad to me. I can remember every game Madden did, he made the same comment "they need to get Michael Irvin involved early on". Irvin was a different player when they did that but as the game wore on and his involvement was diminishing, he wasn't the same player.

Not defending Dez at all because I don't like his behavior but if we're going to keep him, use him. Going got pay him as a #1WR use him just as that as they did Irvin. The Cowboys had Emmitt but they made sure to keep Irvin right up there with him so he didn't feel slighted because that position is second only to QB in ego. Has Dez become the forgotten superstar with Dak and Zeke showing up?

The problem the Cowboys have created is one of Dez feeling he's not important, not wanted. The attempt to get Watkins, a totally unproven commodity as a #1WR and ability to stay healthy, has sent the message. And all of this route running BS is just that. He's the same route runner he was when they did that second contract. I think they screwed the pooch with him and keeping him may not be the smart thing to do now. Dez filters through the emotion and his lash out at fans about kiss my *** demonstrates that....that message was meant for the team, not just those fans.

I love Romo and value his input....for the most part........but what I see on the sideline is far from positive.

 

[robbieruff]

I think there's a ton of validity to this assertion...the only thing I struggle with is the notion of dumping Cole. Yes, Switz, it can be argued, is a Cole "clone" but with more explosiveness (but perhaps less crisp route running? hard to tell at this point with so little visual data); however, despite Cole's statistical downturn in 2017, it was pretty clear he was Dak's favorite target coming out of 2016...at least I would say they had the best chemistry. I don't think the team messes with that aspect of the WR mix for that primary reason. The rest of the scenarios (esp. the Dez post June 1 departure) seems like a strong possibility at this point, even though I have historically been a vocal Dez supporter. It's pretty clear at this point (despite the well documented Dak challenges in 2017) that he's lost a ton of athleticism since the foot injury/surgery a couple/few years ago and will likely never return anywhere close to the level of play that justifies that contract $.

That stated, I would prefer for the FO to focus on defense with the 1st pick and then a Witten replacement in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Naturally, I threw up a little over the thought of another 2nd rounder spent on TE but oh well...can't be a prisoner of the past I guess.

 

[BlindFaith]

This is pretty nonsensical.

QBs like WRs who run consistent routes, get open and catch the ball.

Since when did Brown get classified as big?

 

[Dylan88Wilson]

He's a top 5 blocking WR on a team that wants to lead the league in rushing.

They don’t need Terrance Williams to lead the league in rushing lol Calvin Ridley is a terrible run blocker and if they drafted him, he’d be taking Terrance’s starting spot at the Z.

 

[jterrell]

Marcus is ummm, not good.
He says a lot of really, really inaccurate things.

DAK's leading WRs in college were 6'2" 205 pound John Ross and 6'5" 215 pound DeRunnya Wilson
DAK's leading receivers in in 2017 were Bryant and Jason Witten.

IF anything he likes catch radius guys. And he's most effective when those guys make plays after the catch.

 

[jterrell]

They don’t need Terrance Williams to lead the league in rushing lol Calvin Ridley is a terrible run blocker and if they drafted him, he’d be taking Terrance’s starting spot at the Z.

You are wrong and I wouldn't draft Ridley in round 1 at all much less 19.
Dallas does very much need it's WRs to block and it's a requirement in their scouting.
When Zeke had the awesome 2016 virtually every play it was Dez or TWill down field blocking on long gains.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Yeah I'll be honest I think its silly to bring up his "meltdowns" on the sidelines. It means nothing and in most cases no one even pays him any mind except maybe the receivers coach and Joe Buck.

I can see some that like his "meltdowns" pretty much like drama in general....can you name just one time where his tantrums resulted into anything positive?

 

[Proximo]

Right now I’m in the camp that expects Dez to be a Cowboy during the 2018 season.

Maybe they would’ve cut ties had they signed Watkins; who knows.

But at this point, unless something drastic happens (an unexpected trade or we somehow acquire an already established top notch WR), I expect us to keep Dez through 2018.

 

[Dylan88Wilson]

You are wrong and I wouldn't draft Ridley in round 1 at all much less 19.
Dallas does very much need it's WRs to block and it's a requirement in their scouting.
When Zeke had the awesome 2016 virtually every play it was Dez or TWill down field blocking on long gains.

Come on, I’m not even going to entertain the notion that Terrance William’s run blocking was a key factor as to why Zeke led the league in rushing. They’re looking to replace him because they want receivers who can actually catch.

I wouldn’t draft Ridley either, but if run blocking was a requirement for them, they wouldn’t be showing him so much interest. But for what it’s worth, D.J. Moore — the guy I had us taking — is a great run blocker.

 

[erod]

Hurns is signed. I think Dez is as good as gone.

 

[jterrell]

Come on, I’m not even going to entertain the notion that Terrance William’s run blocking was a key factor as to why Zeke led the league in rushing. They’re looking to replace him because they want receivers who can actually catch.

I wouldn’t draft Ridley either, but if run blocking was a requirement for them, they wouldn’t be showing him so much interest in him. But for what it’s worth, D.J. Moore — the guy I had us taking — is a great run blocker.

Of course you aren't entertaining it because you are being willfully ignorant.
And making goofy statements.

They resigned TWill LAST YEAR. LOL. They knew him and wanted him back and paid him 5M+ a year.

And yes running games rely on WRs blocking. It's a crucial part of it. You don't run 6 versus 11.
Twill has value because of his blocking. Enough value that Brice Butler could hardly get on the field.
We'd all like to see someone win more snaps at that position who catches with their hands but Dallas knew he was a body catcher and gave him 5M.


----https://www.sbnation.com/a/nfl-preview-2017/nfl-wide-receivers-who-block-larry-fitzgerald
"As far as I’m concerned, it’s just as important as having a guy go out there and make the catch — we demand it," said dynamic Arizona Cardinals receivers coach Darryl Drake, who spent 21 years as a college offensive coach before entering the NFL as the Chicago Bears receivers coach in 2004. This season is his fifth in Arizona and 14th straight in the league as a receivers coach.

His experience ranges from tutoring Hines Ward at the University of Georgia to current Cardinals receiver Larry Fitzgerald. Both Ward (Pittsburgh Steelers 1998-2011) and Fitzgerald are two of the best-ever NFL blocking receivers.

"We know what the passing game means to the NFL today, but you still have to be able to run the football and big plays come in that when your receivers block," Drake said. "It’s a matter of attitude. It’s all ‘want to.’"

Drake reminds his receivers that their power is in their legs and not their upper body in both pass catching and run blocking. He said that a receiver can play with a broken finger but not without strong legs. That’s the base that makes for a strong run-blocking receiver.

"I coached Muhsin Muhammad in Chicago and he had the heart, the desire to become a great blocking receiver," Drake said. "Larry Fitzgerald bought into and it has solidified him as a totally complete player. We put him out there in position to block not just cornerbacks but defensive ends, linebackers, safeties. There is not a better receiver than Larry at this craft in the league."

 

[cern]

No reason to think t.will, Beasley or switzer will be gone. Two great slot receivers and an able #2(no pun intended). Dez isn't worth the money. Cut him and keep the money. Drafting Ridley would be icing on the cake.