A down with Julius in, is a down wasted

I don't think we've figured out how to use JJ yet.

He has some nice moments. I like the way he ran the first series.

I really love to see him get a swing pass or a screen. He's good in the open field.

I think we're using our backs the opposite of how they should be used. I think Barber should be the starter and the head-banger. Julius should come in as a change of pace.
 
If we could have traded him after that Seattle game a few years ago, we would be looking at 3 #1's.
 
as good a job as Garrett has done with the offense, the mediocre run game is cause for concern...they made a point to say they changed nothing from the past couple of season running scheme, I think this offseason they need to go back to the drawing board and rethink it as well

as big & physical as our OL is, we should be able to control games running the ball more than what we see...we dont, and basically never do

David
 
I hate to admit it, but I think you are right.

It doesn't seem like he has any moves or any "football speed".



Maybe he is one of those backs that needs 30 carries to get into the grove. If that is the case, then he is out of luck because MBIII deserves more carries also.
 
If there were no MB3, this thread wouldn't exist. Julius Jones is a great guy and serviceable yeoman running back, probably better than average. I got him at the 60-70% range of NFL backs.
He just has the unfortunate burden of two things: Being a No. 1 draft pick, of which I agree he's underachieved. And two, Marion Barber's emergence as not only a better back, but a rising Star in the NFL.
Who knew (about Barber) when he was sharing duties at the U. of Minnesota with Lawrence Mulroney?
Let me ak's ya' this: If Dallas got rid of Jones, and Barber got hurt and couldn't play, wouldn't you be pissed that Julius Jones wasn't around anymore?
 
DALLAS D;1823005 said:
Jones seriously runs with no strength. Its just speed.
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Why does he slow down once he has gained speed? Instead of running into the wall of tacklers... he slows down and they come to him.

It drives me nuts.
 
And a down with Barber in, can get Romo sacked. Like in the first qtr, when MBIII blocked absolutely no one on the saftey blitz.
Look, Barber's been the better back, no question, but Julius can do some things. Bottom line, I like both backs.
I don't know what the purpose of this thread was, when today the defense provided no pressure, allowed 27 points, gave up 50% on 3rd downs, and yielded 400 yards.
 
parcells316;1823067 said:
And a down with Barber in, can get Romo sacked. Like in the first qtr, when MBII blocked absolutely no one on the saftey blitz.
Look, Barber's been the better back, no question, but Julius can do some things. Bottom line, I like both backs.
I don't know what the purpose of this thread was, when today the defense provided no pressure, allowed 27 points, gave up 50% on 3rd downs, and yielded 400 yards.
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yep...pretty much agree

David
 
The only time Julius Jones is productive is the first series. and that is because the drives are scripted. Further, if a play isn't where it should be, Jones isn't going anywhere. The guy goes down on the first touch, and he can't overcome mistakes.

JJ has absolutely poor vision...
 
parcells316;1823067 said:
And a down with Barber in, can get Romo sacked. Like in the first qtr, when MBIII blocked absolutely no one on the saftey blitz.
Look, Barber's been the better back, no question, but Julius can do some things. Bottom line, I like both backs.
I don't know what the purpose of this thread was, when today the defense provided no pressure, allowed 27 points, gave up 50% on 3rd downs, and yielded 400 yards.
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yeah that was a bad mistake, MB3 thought he could get out in the flat and romo would throw him the ball, but it didn't work.

but JJ is just running with no power whatsoever. every drive with him ended up in no pts. and apart from that 1st drive every MB3 drive ended up in pts. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb...yPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG14

as far as this oline while they're normally able to block the dline, they never quite get to the lbs to seal off the run.so you end up with a bunch of 2-4 yd runs instead of 6-8.

only time they get long runs is when the TE seals off the edge, basically preventing the lbs from getting there.

for the most part they're bad at stretch runs or blocking in space. only one that can do it consistently is kosier. davis occasionally gets there, but usually doesn't quite envelope his guy. bigg does best when he's blocking a dt either straight ahead or pulling. colombo is just bad. and gurode is iffy, but better than davis. flozell usually is able to at least get in the way.

their best run plays are the draw, where gurode and davis just power ahead.

i'm fine with this oline, except i think the RT position needs to be better at run blocking. i think if colombo could improve it would help a lot. usually he struggles pushing the dline or getting out on the edge, just not very athletic or strong.

oliver hoyte is usually pretty good, but occasionally whiffs as well. then for the most part our rbs don't get more than what's there. sure MB3 bounces it outside for more or cuts it back, but none of the rbs break tackles up the gut or where the play is designed, as so many teams seem to do against the cowboys.

so in conclusion, you got an inconsistent run blocking line, with an inconsistent fb, and rbs that aren't able to get more than what's there.

the part that saves them right now are the TEs, witten, fasano are really good. and tony curtis usually manages at least to get in the way which is just as good.
 
CowboyBlog;1823041 said:
I hate to admit it, but I think you are right.

It doesn't seem like he has any moves or any "football speed".



Maybe he is one of those backs that needs 30 carries to get into the grove. If that is the case, then he is out of luck because MBIII deserves more carries also.
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that makes a lot of sense seeing as how his rookie year when he was getting that many touches he was dominating. He always seemed to be more effective in the second half too (seattle game comes to mind.)
 
cowboyz;1823207 said:
yeah that was a bad mistake, MB3 thought he could get out in the flat and romo would throw him the ball, but it didn't work.

but JJ is just running with no power whatsoever. every drive with him ended up in no pts. and apart from that 1st drive every MB3 drive ended up in pts. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playb...yPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2007&week=REG14

as far as this oline while they're normally able to block the dline, they never quite get to the lbs to seal off the run.so you end up with a bunch of 2-4 yd runs instead of 6-8.

only time they get long runs is when the TE seals off the edge, basically preventing the lbs from getting there.

for the most part they're bad at stretch runs or blocking in space. only one that can do it consistently is kosier. davis occasionally gets there, but usually doesn't quite envelope his guy. bigg does best when he's blocking a dt either straight ahead or pulling. colombo is just bad. and gurode is iffy, but better than davis. flozell usually is able to at least get in the way.

their best run plays are the draw, where gurode and davis just power ahead.

i'm fine with this oline, except i think the RT position needs to be better at run blocking. i think if colombo could improve it would help a lot. usually he struggles pushing the dline or getting out on the edge, just not very athletic or strong.

oliver hoyte is usually pretty good, but occasionally whiffs as well. then for the most part our rbs don't get more than what's there. sure MB3 bounces it outside for more or cuts it back, but none of the rbs break tackles up the gut or where the play is designed, as so many teams seem to do against the cowboys.

so in conclusion, you got an inconsistent run blocking line, with an inconsistent fb, and rbs that aren't able to get more than what's there.

the part that saves them right now are the TEs, witten, fasano are really good. and tony curtis usually manages at least to get in the way which is just as good.
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damn good insights, especially the high-lighted portion... we need an explosive back to the hole, which can counteract this tendency...


:bow:
 
YoMick;1823055 said:
Why does he slow down once he has gained speed? Instead of running into the wall of tacklers... he slows down and they come to him.

It drives me nuts.
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Exactly. He'll have the momentum up to hit and drive for a first but he'll slow down to "shake and bake" a defender and someone from behind runs up and brings him down.

Drives me to distraction.
 
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