A few thoughts/observations from Verdict

[Sydla]

No, that is not at all what I said.

I should have known that even a simple metaphor was too difficult for you.

But that's pretty much what you are saying and has long been the flaw in the Dak-stans logic.

If Dak can only perform at the highest level when everything else around him is quality, then he's not as good as you think.

 

[Sydla]

He's not a homer, he is a Cowboys fan. What a stupid question about the NFC Champ game. Do you yourself not know the answer?

I think you missed his point.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

But that's pretty much what you are saying and has long been the flaw in the Dak-stans logic.

If Dak can only perform at the highest level when everything else around him is quality, then he's not as good as you think.

THE TEAM PERFORMS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL But again, the logic you're using is true for EVERY quarterback.

Yes or no. Does Joe Burrow perform better when Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins are playing?

 

[Sydla]

THE TEAM PERFORMS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL But again, the logic you're using is true for EVERY quarterback.

Yes or no. Does Joe Burrow perform better when Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins are playing?

So Dak is as good as these guys, he just doesn't have the players they do?

Wait, are you the guy who once told me that Dak Prescott would be as good as Mahomes if he played in KC?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So Dak is as good as these guys, he just doesn't have the players they do?

Wait, are you the guy who once told me that Dak Prescott would be as good as Mahomes if he played in KC?

Answer the question.

no.

 

[kskboys]

This may have been no so much an error on the value of Schoonmaker, but rather on the value of Ferguson, who at the time of the draft seemed like a competent backup rather than the excellent starter he's become. Sometimes good draft strategy depends not just on perceptive assessment of who you might draft, but also of who you already have.

Absolutely not true. Schooner was rated around the 4th round, way overdrafted. Schooner caught 35 passes his senior year. Caught 54 passes in 5 years.

What makes you think he was a 2nd round pick value?


Fergie had already looked like a quality starter. What makes you say he hadn't?

 

[Zman5]

Nice write up.

I will add Wheat had a heck of a game.

If he keeps this up, he'll be making some serious bread when he's a FA.

 

[McKDaddy]

No one is paying premium picks for Martin.

And the OL does not get better if you take him out of the lineup. LOL, what is it with this fanbase when a player gets older and isn't as good as he was 5 years ago they just assume he sucks and want him replaced. And by who? Bass? He's probably going to be playing LG for the time being.

Especially when he's on his last leg. This is a move other organizations would have done a couple years ago.

We saw evidence last year when he went out and we actually played better as a unit. Young guys with spring in their step & something to prove can give you a lift. We have Hoffman & other candidates if we wanted to shuffle the line further.

 

[visionary]

We played a really bad offense with an average QB

Defense is not good but better without the free lancing and hero ball of Parsons and Dlaw

We absolutely did not figure out anything in the run game. We have crap at that position

For the right price i trade Parsons

This team is not a contender or even “close” so id be fine trading Martin for a reasonable deal

 

[jblaze2004]

I don't see what the Dallas Cowboys seen in Zeke that made them want to bring him back but after 5 games this season I would be willing to cut him. Zeke doesn't play special teams or anything. He is just taking up a roster spot for a hungry player. Zeke isn't hungry anymore. He is just going through the motions. I would rather see what Cook can do in Zeke place.

 

[jblaze2004]

Zack Martin was smart to hold out last season to get more money. Because so far this year dude looks like a jag. IDK if its the blocking scheme or what but even Martin looks bad in it.

 

[Jarntt]

5. Martin is an all time great, but I would be looking to trade him to a contender that’s super thin on the OL and will pay a premium for his reputation. The line probably improves without him on it.

You made a lot of good points. But, I'll focus on this one that is a really crappy take. I can see someone making the case that they feel we should trade Martin because we don't look like a SB team this year and they'd rather have the picks, but to say the line improves without him is just too far off base to let slide. Come on now. Also, trading Martin would result in $26M in dead money next year (instead of being split over two years) so that would be an obstacle as well.

You see what he did to his man on this play? All Dowdle had to do was follow him and we win with a lot less drama

 

[jterrell]

I don't see what the Dallas Cowboys seen in Zeke that made them want to bring him back but after 5 games this season I would be willing to cut him. Zeke doesn't play special teams or anything. He is just taking up a roster spot for a hungry player. Zeke isn't hungry anymore. He is just going through the motions. I would rather see what Cook can do in Zeke place.

I will always love Zeke for how much he sacrificed with his body for this organization.
But last night he was done, done. Mentally and physically just not present.
It may be anger over his limited orle but if he can't go harder than that they need to move on.

 

[Sydla]

Answer the question.

no.

The answer is teams with better players win more.

But the difference between a guy like Mahomes, for example, is that he doesn't need things to be perfect to succeed. Dak does. Mahomes can take middling talent on a playoff run. Dak can't.

Let's put it another way. You give me this current Dallas offense and then Mahomes, I have no doubt the offense would perform better. Same if the QB was say Allen or even Burrow.

 

[Sydla]

PFF, if you put stock in them, had Martin with a 80+ grade last night. Bass was 33.

Let's slow the roll on Martin can't play anymore and the OL would be better with guys like Bass in his place.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I will always love Zeke for how much he sacrificed with his body for this organization.
But last night he was done, done. Mentally and physically just not present.
It may be anger over his limited orle but if he can't go harder than that they need to move on.

I wonder if they are trying to find an honorable exit for him with Cook getting close to playing. I don't see him and Cook being activated for the same games. Then again, maybe they keep him but he's inactive for some games.

 

[pancakeman]

Absolutely not true. Schooner was rated around the 4th round, way overdrafted. Schooner caught 35 passes his senior year. Caught 54 passes in 5 years.

What makes you think he was a 2nd round pick value?


Fergie had already looked like a quality starter. What makes you say he hadn't?

My point was not about Schoonmaker's draft value, but just that Shultz was franchise-tagged to be The Guy, but wasn't signed long term so the team pictured his departure as leaving a big hole. As I remember it, at that point the franchise thought of Ferguson and Hendershot as filling some of that void, but I don't think it was clear to anyone that Fergie would prove to be the equal or better of Schultz at that time.

Without implying that I like or liked the Schoonmaker pick, I'm just pointing out that some portion of why it feels wasted now--that with Fergie balling out, Schoon is still more useless—wasn't as apparent two years ago.

 

[nathanlt]

PFF, if you put stock in them, had Martin with a 80+ grade last night. Bass was 33.

Let's slow the roll on Martin can't play anymore and the OL would be better with guys like Bass in his place.

I'm not saying that Bass is better than Martin... But I am saying

T Smith and Bass is better than Guyton and T Smith.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The answer is teams with better players win more.

But the difference between a guy like Mahomes, for example, is that he doesn't need things to be perfect to succeed. Dak does. Mahomes can take middling talent on a playoff run. Dak can't.

Let's put it another way. You give me this current Dallas offense and then Mahomes, I have no doubt the offense would perform better. Same if the QB was say Allen or even Burrow.

Is Joe Burrow better with Jamarr Chase and Tee Higgins both playing? Yes or no.

You're arguing points I'm not making lol

 

[LACowboysFan1]

the eternal excuses for Dak is nauseating
ONE terrible play can lose a game and he had three bad ones

Aaron Rodgers had 3, count 'em, 3 ints yesterday. Last one lost the game.

P. Manning lost a SB to the Saints with one terrible throw. Neil O'Donnell threw 2 terrible ints that led to a loss in the SB. Romo threw ints to lose games that led to missing the playoffs.

Yep, one terrible play can lose a game, no qb is immune to that.