A few thoughts/observations from Verdict

[gtb1943]

I'm not saying that Bass is better than Martin... But I am saying

T Smith and Bass is better than Guyton and T Smith.

I have never put a lot of stock in PFF game ratings; seen too many examples of so called ratings that were beyond stupid.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not saying that Bass is better than Martin... But I am saying

T Smith and Bass is better than Guyton and T Smith.

But that has nothing to do with Martin, who Verdict wants to dump, I guess, in part because he thinks Bass can play as well as Martin, which at this point, is kind of a reach.

 

[Sydla]

I have never put a lot of stock in PFF game ratings; seen too many examples of so called ratings that were beyond stupid.

Maybe but the fact the disparity in grading is so massive, I think one can conclude that one guy played better than the other.

 

[Sydla]

Is Joe Burrow better with Jamarr Chase and Tee Higgins both playing? Yes or no.

You're arguing points I'm not making lol

I answered your question. The more talent the better.

But the reality is guys like you always look to shift blame away from Dak by blaming the talent, etc. It wasn't lack of talent that made those ******* throws on those interceptions. It was just bad decision making.

 

[gtb1943]

Maybe but the fact the disparity in grading is so massive, I think one can conclude that one guy played better than the other.

I can agree on that
I ca absolutely say that Mazi was better than his grade and Steele was worse

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I answered your question. The more talent the better.

But the reality is guys like you always look to shift blame away from Dak by blaming the talent, etc. It wasn't lack of talent that made those ******* throws on those interceptions. It was just bad decision making.

No, you didn't.

But ok, then if Joe Burrow is better with more talent around him, then is that also not true for Dak? How is that an excuse?

I said they were bad plays. I didn't blame them on the WRs. You're literally making up things I'm saying for the sake of arguing while agreeing with my point lol. You people are clowns.

 

[nathanlt]

But that has nothing to do with Martin, who Verdict wants to dump, I guess, in part because he thinks Bass can play as well as Martin, which at this point, is kind of a reach.

Yes, I think that would be a reach... and I hope that Martin remains at his current levels for quite a while! He's been such a good player on that line.

 

[kskboys]

Zack Martin was smart to hold out last season to get more money. Because so far this year dude looks like a jag. IDK if its the blocking scheme or what but even Martin looks bad in it.

He's old.

 

[kskboys]

My point was not about Schoonmaker's draft value, but just that Shultz was franchise-tagged to be The Guy, but wasn't signed long term so the team pictured his departure as leaving a big hole. As I remember it, at that point the franchise thought of Ferguson and Hendershot as filling some of that void, but I don't think it was clear to anyone that Fergie would prove to be the equal or better of Schultz at that time.

Without implying that I like or liked the Schoonmaker pick, I'm just pointing out that some portion of why it feels wasted now--that with Fergie balling out, Schoon is still more useless—wasn't as apparent two years ago.

It was to me. There were several of us screaming to just go into the season w/ Fergie as the starter.

I think it was just as apparent.

 

[Jstopper]

1. Dak won the game at the end but played very poorly at times. He just added fuel to the Dak polarization on this board.

2. Defense played super tough. Was it the defense rising to the occasion or Steelers’ limitations on offense. I’ll savor it either way, but Steelers look like a bottom third team.

3. Running game added some juice this week. Was it the running, blocking or both? Dowdle ran hard, I’ll give him that. Zeke needs to be put out to pasture. Dowdle is a better back and Leupke can make short yardage plays much better than Zeke. I would be churning the roster with Zeke’s spot.

4. Defense played much more soundly and with fewer errors without Parsons and Lawrence. Set the edge much better. Again, maybe that’s due to the Steeler’s lack of speed at RB.

5. Martin is an all time great, but I would be looking to trade him to a contender that’s super thin on the OL and will pay a premium for his reputation. The line probably improves without him on it.

6. The depth of this OL seems legit. And one thing you have to say about MM teams, he gets the next man up to play pretty well.

7. The two recent additions to the dl have played pretty well. Joseph made a few legit plays last night.

8. Guyton is a pretty solid player but he is a rookie and he’s making some rookie mistakes. If I were the Cowboys I might look to flip Guyton back to the right side during the offseason and ship out Steele for picks and a cap cutting measure.

9. The Tulsa OT Smith should probably be your LT.

10. The Cowboys need to add RB talent in this next draft

11. I’m pleased with the play of Overshown. He shows that the Cowboys draft pretty well when they aren’t reaching for need or pulling a Jerry in the second round.

12. I never liked the Schoonmaker pick and as time goes on I like it less and less. Ferguson is a legit tight end and better than Schultz who he replaced.

13. I would sure liked to have seen what this team could be with a healthy Bland.

14. Any word on the Kneeland injury?

Yall are really hyping this Dak played bad narrative to the point that is unrealistic. He had basically 3 bad plays the whole game, and 1 of them clearly we see that Ceedee ran a different route than Dak thought he would. This is ridiculous lol. The rest of the points aren't bad though

 

[America's Cowboy]

1. Dak won the game at the end but played very poorly at times. He just added fuel to the Dak polarization on this board.

2. Defense played super tough. Was it the defense rising to the occasion or Steelers’ limitations on offense. I’ll savor it either way, but Steelers look like a bottom third team.

3. Running game added some juice this week. Was it the running, blocking or both? Dowdle ran hard, I’ll give him that. Zeke needs to be put out to pasture. Dowdle is a better back and Leupke can make short yardage plays much better than Zeke. I would be churning the roster with Zeke’s spot.

4. Defense played much more soundly and with fewer errors without Parsons and Lawrence. Set the edge much better. Again, maybe that’s due to the Steeler’s lack of speed at RB.

5. Martin is an all time great, but I would be looking to trade him to a contender that’s super thin on the OL and will pay a premium for his reputation. The line probably improves without him on it.

6. The depth of this OL seems legit. And one thing you have to say about MM teams, he gets the next man up to play pretty well.

7. The two recent additions to the dl have played pretty well. Joseph made a few legit plays last night.

8. Guyton is a pretty solid player but he is a rookie and he’s making some rookie mistakes. If I were the Cowboys I might look to flip Guyton back to the right side during the offseason and ship out Steele for picks and a cap cutting measure.

9. The Tulsa OT Smith should probably be your LT.

10. The Cowboys need to add RB talent in this next draft

11. I’m pleased with the play of Overshown. He shows that the Cowboys draft pretty well when they aren’t reaching for need or pulling a Jerry in the second round.

12. I never liked the Schoonmaker pick and as time goes on I like it less and less. Ferguson is a legit tight end and better than Schultz who he replaced.

13. I would sure liked to have seen what this team could be with a healthy Bland.

14. Any word on the Kneeland injury?

Yeah, Dak threw 2 interceptions out of 42 pass attempts with 29 completions for a 69.0 completions %, 352 yards, an 8.4 ypc average and 2 passing TDs against what was the league's 2nd ranked defense at that time. Yeah, that is so poorly. SMH

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yall are really hyping this Dak played bad narrative to the point that is unrealistic. He had basically 3 bad plays the whole game, and 1 of them clearly we see that Ceedee ran a different route than Dak thought he would. This is ridiculous lol. The rest of the points aren't bad though

Exactly!

 

[DuncanIso]

1. Dak won the game at the end but played very poorly at times. He just added fuel to the Dak polarization on this board.

2. Defense played super tough. Was it the defense rising to the occasion or Steelers’ limitations on offense. I’ll savor it either way, but Steelers look like a bottom third team.

3. Running game added some juice this week. Was it the running, blocking or both? Dowdle ran hard, I’ll give him that. Zeke needs to be put out to pasture. Dowdle is a better back and Leupke can make short yardage plays much better than Zeke. I would be churning the roster with Zeke’s spot.

4. Defense played much more soundly and with fewer errors without Parsons and Lawrence. Set the edge much better. Again, maybe that’s due to the Steeler’s lack of speed at RB.

5. Martin is an all time great, but I would be looking to trade him to a contender that’s super thin on the OL and will pay a premium for his reputation. The line probably improves without him on it.

6. The depth of this OL seems legit. And one thing you have to say about MM teams, he gets the next man up to play pretty well.

7. The two recent additions to the dl have played pretty well. Joseph made a few legit plays last night.

8. Guyton is a pretty solid player but he is a rookie and he’s making some rookie mistakes. If I were the Cowboys I might look to flip Guyton back to the right side during the offseason and ship out Steele for picks and a cap cutting measure.

9. The Tulsa OT Smith should probably be your LT.

10. The Cowboys need to add RB talent in this next draft

11. I’m pleased with the play of Overshown. He shows that the Cowboys draft pretty well when they aren’t reaching for need or pulling a Jerry in the second round.

12. I never liked the Schoonmaker pick and as time goes on I like it less and less. Ferguson is a legit tight end and better than Schultz who he replaced.

13. I would sure liked to have seen what this team could be with a healthy Bland.

14. Any word on the Kneeland injury?

Rico better than Zeke? He almost fumbled the game Away.

Trade Martin? No.

 

[fivetwos]

1. Dak won the game at the end but played very poorly at times. He just added fuel to the Dak polarization on this board.

2. Defense played super tough. Was it the defense rising to the occasion or Steelers’ limitations on offense. I’ll savor it either way, but Steelers look like a bottom third team.

3. Running game added some juice this week. Was it the running, blocking or both? Dowdle ran hard, I’ll give him that. Zeke needs to be put out to pasture. Dowdle is a better back and Leupke can make short yardage plays much better than Zeke. I would be churning the roster with Zeke’s spot.

4. Defense played much more soundly and with fewer errors without Parsons and Lawrence. Set the edge much better. Again, maybe that’s due to the Steeler’s lack of speed at RB.

5. Martin is an all time great, but I would be looking to trade him to a contender that’s super thin on the OL and will pay a premium for his reputation. The line probably improves without him on it.

6. The depth of this OL seems legit. And one thing you have to say about MM teams, he gets the next man up to play pretty well.

7. The two recent additions to the dl have played pretty well. Joseph made a few legit plays last night.

8. Guyton is a pretty solid player but he is a rookie and he’s making some rookie mistakes. If I were the Cowboys I might look to flip Guyton back to the right side during the offseason and ship out Steele for picks and a cap cutting measure.

9. The Tulsa OT Smith should probably be your LT.

10. The Cowboys need to add RB talent in this next draft

11. I’m pleased with the play of Overshown. He shows that the Cowboys draft pretty well when they aren’t reaching for need or pulling a Jerry in the second round.

12. I never liked the Schoonmaker pick and as time goes on I like it less and less. Ferguson is a legit tight end and better than Schultz who he replaced.

13. I would sure liked to have seen what this team could be with a healthy Bland.

14. Any word on the Kneeland injury?

Good post…not so much on Martin and Steele.

Not that I wouldn’t look to move either but I don’t think Martin would fetch much given his salary and decline. Wouldn’t be worth losing the current depth for like a 6th.

Steele has 17m guaranteed to him for next season, so he would need to be traded, not cut to get out from under that. I don’t see who is taking him and that salary for a higher pick when he isn’t playing well. They likely double down on trying to prove themselves right rather than take a late pick swap and spend the salary elsewhere….this FO NEVER operates that way.

Also the idea of Guyton having to move to the right side may be premature. He was a late first in a not so deep draft (so, not a top of top talent) and has said he is more comfortable on the left. There’s no guarantee he is any better on the right after playing what I read was only 8 games at OKL.

I think they want to keep Tyler at G so they can sign him cheaper (won’t work, he will still get LT offers since he has done it). Another example of how the Joneses try to outsmart everyone else, and you’ll be seeing the same starting OL through at least 2025.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Mazi and Schoon were bad picks. Can they still be bit players and contribute? Yes but they were clearly not worth early round draft picks.

 

[nhcowboysfan]

The Steelers offensive line is not that great. The Cowboys took advantage of that as they should. But the Steeler Dl is really good. The Cowboys offensive line did a good job containing the middle of the Steelers defense most of the night. Dak was great getting the ball out of his hands quickly, although he did make a few bad mistakes.

I am losing faith in Guyton. We have to wonder if he is the real deal or not. I know he is a rookie and he needs to develop, but he is a first round draft pick. He has to get stronger in the offseason. I am an advocate of playing the best 5 and if it is Tyler Smith at LT and Bass at LG then so be it. Make Guyton earn his position.

I'm not crazy about the Schoonmaker pick either. There was no need to take another TE in the 2nd round, especially if they aren't going to use him. Forcing picks like that rarely works out. I expect Schoonmake to do his 4 year in Dallas then leave via free agency. He'll go somewhere where he will become a decent TE for someone. We saw the same thing with Fasano and Bennett. They had Ferguson, why use a second on Schoonmaker?

They stupidly wasted a 2nd round pick on Schoonmaker because they weren't convinced that Ferguson was the real deal and would replace Schultz's production. This is still no excuse as they could have picked up a veteran TE in free agency. As far as forcing picks, they did the same this year with selecting Guyton because they stupidly moved Tyler Smith to guard. The reason for drafting the younger Smith was to replace the older, Tyron Smith. Instead they moved him to guard and after Tyron moved on, the geniuses in the front office thought they needed to draft another 1st round OL. Had they stuck with their original plan with Tyler Smith, perhaps they would have drafted that Florida guard over a do-nothing TE in 2023. Then this past draft they wouldn't have to needed to pick Guyton and instead maybe used their first round pick to grab one of the quality WRs - like Xavier Worthy - or even a DE.

 

[CowboysRule]

Blah blah blah. Show me a QB who never makes any mistakes lol.

People like you make it so embarrassing to be a Cowboys fan.

When you're the highest paid player in the league you are going to be held to a higher standard. He had two turnovers in the red zone. That's at least six points, possibly 14 that he is just throwing away. If we score there instead of turn the ball over the game doesn't need to come down to needing a TD on 4th down with only a handful of seconds left.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

When you're the highest paid player in the league you are going to be held to a higher standard. He had two turnovers in the red zone. That's at least six points, possibly 14 that he is just throwing away. If we score there instead of turn the ball over the game doesn't need to come down to needing a TD on 4th down with only a handful of seconds left.

Blah blah blahhhhh

 

[CowboysRule]

Blah blah blahhhhh

Expected response. Dak need not be held responsible for any of his errors. No need for continual improvement. Turn the ball over in the Red Zone every game, it's fine. And to him, it probably is fine. He get (another) massive contract just like he wanted. He can't be cut. He's made.

 

[kskboys]

Mazi and Schoon were bad picks. Can they still be bit players and contribute? Yes but they were clearly not worth early round draft picks.

And most of us thought so at the time. No hindsight involved.