A Little Formation To Get You Excited

[dallasfaniac]

Why would Romo not be able to return? It would only be a substitution.

Look up the 1991 rules about 3rd QB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Taking Romo off the field cues the defensive coordinator to counter by having the defense key on the running backs and take his chances that McGee won't hurt the him by either passing or keeping the ball. He has to have his defense continuing to include Romo because he can burn you either way every time.

but that's what makes the formation is so genius

what if McGee is actually able to complete those short passes with efficiency?

when McGee takes off to the left, the D is thinking run, and then all of a sudden BAM McGee stops, dumpoffs to a streaking Bennett going right, allowing him to catch the ball without losing momentum, a throw only a QB can make

then there is the option that Romo will never give you, a decent running threat from the QB position

 

[DallasEast]

Look up the 1991 rules about 3rd QB.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809f6279&template=with-video&confirm=true

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» NFL'S "third-quarterback" rule -- sometimes misunderstood:

Seventeen years ago (1991) the third-quarterback rule was instituted to enable teams to have an emergency quarterback available who was not on the 45-man game-day active roster, since many teams, for strategic purposes, only carried two quarterbacks on their game-day roster.

Everybody thinks they understand the NFL's "third-quarterback" rule. But do they?

The rule states that if a third quarterback is inserted before the fourth quarter, a team's first two quarterbacks cannot be used in the game at any position.

Another aspect of the rule is sometimes misunderstood. It is a coach's decision as to whether a third quarterback will be used.

The active quarterbacks do not have to be injured for a team to use its third quarterback.

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Didn't know that. So that's basically true if the third-string quarterback is used before the fourth quarter, but does not apply if he is used during the fourth quarter. My next question would be how often or how soon Wade Phillips will decide to activate McGee for that possibility to materialize.

 

[DallasEast]

but that's what makes the formation is so genius

what if McGee is actually able to complete those short passes with efficiency?

when McGee takes off to the left, the D is thinking run, and then all of a sudden BAM McGee stops, dumpoffs to a streaking Bennett going right, allowing him to catch the ball without losing momentum, a throw only a QB can make

then there is the option that Romo will never give you, a decent running threat from the QB position

It's not an improbability that McGee will have those types of opportunities. However, I highly doubt that those opportunities will present themselves very often.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It's not an improbability that McGee will have those types of opportunities. However, I highly doubt that those opportunities will present themselves very often.

very true

but it's creativity we need more of

 

[dallasfaniac]

Didn't know that. So that's basically true if the third-string quarterback is used before the fourth quarter, but does not apply if he is used during the fourth quarter. My next question would be how often or how soon Wade Phillips will decide to activate McGee for that possibility to materialize.

I'm not sure of the whole rule; some have stated that this rule only applies to 3rd string emergency QBs that aren't activated. I just don't see activating a player just for a gimmick play.

 

[DallasEast]

very true

but it's creativity we need more of

In my opinion, we have the coaching minds on staff right now who are that creative, but who haven't been very flexible in calling plays for certain reasons. Still, I would say that it is both creativity and execution which we need more of.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not sure of the whole rule; some have stated that this rule only applies to 3rd string emergency QBs that aren't activated. I just don't see activating a player just for a gimmick play.

I can agree with that. McGee's not going to be thrusted into games right off the bat in my opinion anyway.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

very true

but it's creativity we need more of

No.

We need Bob Sacamano to suit up and lay some hurt on opponent quarterbacks.

Bob would break the sack record...in half a season!

 

[DallasEast]

No.

We need Bob Sacamano to suit up and lay some hurt on opponent quarterbacks.

Bob would break the sack record...in half a season!

Bob[strike]by[/strike] 'The Waterboy' [strike]Boucher[/strike] Sacamano!

Now, THAT's a real football name!

Sign him up, Jerry!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No.

We need Bob Sacamano to suit up and lay some hurt on opponent quarterbacks.

Bob would break the sack record...in half a season!

Bob would put Ware on the bench

and steal his lunch money

 

[ethiostar]

What we have here is a 4-3 basic D and a standard 2 WR, 1 TE set with two Backs in a split backfield. The numbers indicate Dallas Cowboys.

CB...........................FS.............................SS...................CB

.....................LB.................LB.............LB

.........................DE........DT....DT...DE
84......................76...63...65...70...75...82...........................11
......................................9

.................................24......28

Hopefully you are with me so far. Now let's create a very serious matchup problem for the Defense with only one move.

CB...........................FS.............................SS...................CB

.....................LB.................LB.............LB

.........................DE........DT....DT...DE
84......................76...63...65...70...75...82...........28.............11
......................................9

.....................................24


Felix Jones goes in motion to the LOS and the Z position, or slot.

Obviously the SOLB now has containment on Jason Witten. Before he could have freed him to a SS and single coverage. Now he has no choice.

The LCB now has single coverage on Roy Williams.

Felix Jones now has single coverage by a Strong Safety.

I believe this move would also pull the FS into the Strong side of the field leaving single coverage out wide on Crayton's side of the field.

Now, each of those players have s decided advantage over their Defensive counterparts. Simply put they are forced to single cover 4 men or drop LBs and D-linemen into coverage.

What about the Barberian you ask? I am glad you did. The ball is snapped, Bigg pulls to his left and runs a lead block on a sweep left for Barber. Look at how much open space there potentially is.

If that doesn't make you salivate then you simply aren't hungry enough for the season to approach.

Edit:

dcfanatic created a graphic for you to see the sweep and how it might look.

Thanks DC.

[youtube]eSU2JSyGor8[/youtube]

Awesome Hos. I'm so ready for this season to start.

Bring it on.
:skins:................................:dissskin:
:giants:................................:dissgint:

:eagles:................................:disseags:

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Most likely because it failed to include a question.

If you say so.

or that Felix was injured

Felix was injured the whole season what was I thinking my bad you're right.

No matter how short or long, a reply may be epic. I may have to break out the ambulance.

What you mean by that ?

 

[DallasEast]

If you say so.

Felix was injured the whole season what was I thinking my bad you're right.

What you mean by that ?

Well, its...

oh nevermind.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah Hos I was going to suggest 80 in for 84 with 84 moving to the 28 spot and 28 in the backfield. It puts Barber on the bench but only on 2nd and long

How about putting 80 in the slot next to Witten, double-tight on that side with Roy Williams wide?

Then motion Felix out of the backfield wide to the open side (where Crayton was lined up).

I think if we line up Bennett on a CB (in Crayton's spot in the formation), the CB has the coverage advantage, although we would have the blocking advantage for a sweep to that side. But if we line up Bennett in the slot, he'd either draw safety or linebacker coverage ... or the right corner would come over to cover him. That leaves a safety/linebacker on Witten, and when Felix motions out either a safety/linebacker comes with him or the right corner has to come back across the field to take him.

 

[dcfanatic]

Let's play a little more with this. Here's the lineup against a Nickel. I'm going to rotate the Nickel Back to the TE side of the ball, or strong side. This means I will also slide the LBs to their right or the weak side.

I'm also going to put Bennett out wide as someone suggested. Just because I think that sounds fun.


CB...........................FS.............................SS......NB.............CB

.....................LB.................LB

.........................DE........DT....DT...DE
80......................76...63...65...70...75...82...........................11
......................................9

.................................24......28



Okay, now let's put Felix in the slot again and see what that leaves us.


CB...........................FS.............................SS......NB.............CB

.....................LB.................LB

.........................DE........DT....DT...DE
80......................76...63...65...70...75...82..............28.............11
......................................9

.....................................24

We now have a shift by the Defense to a Nickel with a CB on the outside to cover Felix in the slot and the LB in space to stop a sweep as described before. It also puts the SS on Witten and it makes the FS a true Center Fielder. This is potentially a great shift for the Defense if the play is a passing play. It is potentially however, extremely weak against the run.

How would the Offense attack this? You now have the potential to move Felix back into the backfield and force the Nickel back onto Witten with the SS coming up to a LB spot to protect the run. This is a serious mismatch in Witten's favor. A draw play bringing the Defense in a step to protect the run puts him behind the LB and SS with a NB on him. This means the FS now has to play run support immediately. Now if a play goes to Bennett or Austin out to the side it is man on man only and there is no deep support.

Switch sides with the WRs and put Roy out there in single coverage. Force the LBs into coverage. I think this still favors the Offense as long as the blocking holds up.

Love this formation with a run play called. I think this is an easy 6 to 7 yards per play average over a long haul use by the D of this. There is an immediate advantage if you were to bring Felix back into the backfield and in the I formation with Barber acting as lead option or possibly as a blocker. If Felix gets a hole inside it means the FS is between him and the goal line and it is Felix against him in open space.

Then after we run them over them 8-10 times with that against their Nickel we go to this...

[youtube]rjpaOBGjjb8[/youtube]

Felix, Felix, Felix!

The WLB and MLB are coming at the snap because of the play action. Clears out the underneath center. The FS has a tough decision here. Go with the double on Roy, the 6'3 monster who is likely going to catch the deep pass from Romo if it's high enough or does he stay with the NB to double Felix on the corner route?

He's going with the double on Roy 8 out 10 times IMO. And the NB is doing all he can to stay within 5 yards of Felix who is as fast as they come.

Block it well and it should be six.

 

[Hostile]

Out of curosity HoS why did you conveniently ignore this post?

I didn't ignore it. I read it, felt it was pretty ignorant, and decided it wasn't worth my time when other people were actually excited to talk about football for a change.

But since you have opened yourself up by thinking it was so important for me to address I will.

I have no doubt that you wouldn't respect Garrett if he was your coach. That wouldn't make you worth a pint of spit as a player just like it reduced Owens' value to the team. You obviously do not grasp the need for players to respect their coaches. I can't really explain it to you beyond this. The greatest Coaches in NFL History all demanded respect from their players. None of them would have put up with a prima donna, aging blowhard who put himself above the team in importance on a regular basis.

Owens has had multiple chances in the NFL and has played for some very good football teams. He is a remarkable player who each of those very good football teams has eventually determined was not worth the effort.

If you want to continue to believe you know more than all of those football people then by all means continue in your warped and frivolous fantasies. The rest of us would like to move on to the real world.

Owens is gone and it won't hurt us one bit. He is not the be all, end all WR. Other teams can and do win without Terrell Owens. It happens every single year. The world does not revolve around him.

Forgive you for not sucking off some formation that I am drooling over? First of all I didn't ask anyone to do that. Your piss ant act is wearing razor thin with me and this kind of language is exactly why no one takes you seriously. How can they? You're nothing but a kiss up to a player who is no longer here. Wring out your crying towel and move on. Either to the Bills forum or get over it and stick around.

This place is about the Dallas Cowboys, not Terrell Owens. These formations, the players and the coaches left behind are the reason why most of us are looking forward to 2009. You're not. Boo hoo hoo. Grab a pacifier and your blankie or suck your thumb. Personally I don't care one way or the other what method you use to bend yourself into a fetal position and find your happy place.

To that end I will damn well post stuff about formations and possiblities and I will discuss the 2009 Dallas Cowboys to the beatings of my tiny little heart and I refuse to give a flying damn that you are butt hurt that Terrell Owens is gone and any formation we draw up in 2009 would be better if he was still here. I don't agree. I think he was an albatross and is someone else's problem this year.

In 2008 we could not have used a formation like this for one very simple reason. A certain spotlight grabbing, whining, protesting WR we had on our squad last year wouldn't have stood for it. Forget the fact that his skills are clearly declining. Oh sure, he can have one marvelous game against a piss poor Defensive game plan and look like some kind of hero to mouth breathing masses of iLoveMeSomeMe butt kissers, but to knowledgeable football fans, he was no longer earning his paycheck and it was time to move on. He wouldn't have accepted this because.......DUH......it is a featured 2 Back formation which means this is designed to make us a RUNNING team to set up the pass. He would no longer be the focus of the offense.

Garrett may or may not use this type of formation in 2009. I have no doubt whatsoever that the man is smarter than I am. Maybe he can improve on this. Maybe he envisions something else altogether. All I was attempting to do was inject some football discussion into the daily paparazzi and piss and moan threads. I didn't take the time to even consider how this would hurt your tender feelings. I can't imagine why I would give a damn.

 

[Hostile]

that's awesome, Hos

we also need a wildcat option with Stephen McGee in as QB with Felix and Barber in the backfield

Witten, Bennett on the left side, and Austin as the wide on the other

McGee takes the snap

Felix and Barber split out wide-left, with Barber out in front

McGee pitches to Felix

danger...

you have Witten, Bennett, Barber and Kosier (who pulls) as blockers for Felix, who is in the open field with the football, able to use his speed and vision

you could also use this formation as a passing play, just have Bennett sneak across the middle of the field, and have McGee dump it to him from the left, so you have the motion and the defense going left, leaving the whole right side of the field open for Bennett to streak across of, reminiscent of that 50+ yard catch and run Bennett had in the workouts

I have to be honest with you, I do not know what our Razorback version is going to look like, so there is no way I could draw it up yet. I'm personally not a fan of the single wing even though most of the plays are designed to look like sweeps and I love sweeps. I like them because you give a RB a full head of steam.

I could do a generic version, but our Razorback might be different and I do not know who would be lined up where just yet.

In that case I really would be talking out of my trash as DaBoys4Life so wrongly assumed before.

One last thing before I forget. We couldn't use McGee until the 4th quarter so I doubt they run it with him as the primary. I think Stanback, Crayton or Jones might be the primary signal callers for our version.

Just trying to lay the groundwork for a more informed discussion when I see how we run ours.

 

[Hostile]

Then after we run them over them 8-10 times with that against their Nickel we go to this...

[youtube]rjpaOBGjjb8[/youtube]

Felix, Felix, Felix!

The WLB and MLB are coming at the snap because of the play action. Clears out the underneath center. The FS has a tough decision here. Go with the double on Roy, the 6'3 monster who is likely going to catch the deep pass from Romo if it's high enough or does he stay with the NB to double Felix on the corner route?

He's going with the double on Roy 8 out 10 times IMO. And the NB is doing all he can to stay within 5 yards of Felix who is as fast as they come.

Block it well and it should be six.

Another option on that is for Witten to jam the SS to the outside within the 5 yards and then turn back up the middle of the field. He'd have a step. If hit in motion it could go for 12 to 15 yards easily.

The thing I like best about this look is that you never have a situation where Witten doesn't have some kind of advantage.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have to be honest with you, I do not know what our Razorback version is going to look like, so there is no way I could draw it up yet. I'm personally not a fan of the single wing even though most of the plays are designed to look like sweeps and I love sweeps. I like them because you give a RB a full head of steam.

I could do a generic version, but our Razorback might be different and I do not know who would be lined up where just yet.

In that case I really would be talking out of my trash as DaBoys4Life so wrongly assumed before.

One last thing before I forget. We couldn't use McGee until the 4th quarter so I doubt they run it with him as the primary. I think Stanback, Crayton or Jones might be the primary signal callers for our version.

Just trying to lay the groundwork for a more informed discussion when I see how we run ours.

well I don't think McGee should be the 3rd QB every game day, and the fact that we haven't taken a QB this high in the draft in a long time makes me believe that he won't be sitting on the bench every week, inactive

idk, I guess I'm too infatuated with the idea of bringing the option to the pro game and/or making our offense revolutionary

now what I described wouldn't be a true, option offense, but we could incorporate the general idea such as giving the QB the option to either hand-off, run or throw the football