A show of hands please, will you be as enthused in '09 with the cards dealt by Jerra?

[DallasGirl50]

I am not enthused in any way, shape, form or fashion about the 2009 Dallas Cowboys as long as Wade is there.

I actually turned my TV off yesterday after the 2nd quarter. I've never done that before.

 

[dbair1967]

I think this team is screwed for the next 3 years atleast. IMO this will be the 2nd Dave Campo TYPE era. I hope i'm wrong, time will tell.

the bad thing though is the Dave Campo era was 5-11 because we ultimately had 5-11 talent.

thats not the case with this group...there's too much talent to see results like this

 

[Hostile]

Here's one...

Jerry doesn't bother me the way he does some of you. I don't agree that he is an issue. I understand what a GM does and think he does exactly what a good GM should. Is he perfect? Hell no. But I don't agree with the notion that he is the reason we can't win.

 

[Hostile]

I know in your 'position' on here you want to put on a good face and be optimistic. If you really believe it, then more power to you.

I can hardly wait to see what he do with our second round pick myself. I'm also sure the new stadium will be state of the art and the nicest ever built. And Wade will be Wade and Jerry will be Jerry and Garrett will be Garrett and Romo will be Romo. But hey, even the Detroit Lions came dream about next season now.

Here's to 2009 :toast:

My "position" here has never had one thing to do with my opinions. There are no preconditions on what your opinions will be to be a part of the staff. We disagree all the time. Unlike some sites we're adult about it and don't have a bunch of petty internal wars.

 

[windward]

Of course I'll be enthused for next year. I'm a diehard Cowboy addict and will be as long as I live or the Cowboys exist.

 

[Concord]

Wade Phillips will NEVER make me enthused about anything.

But come 2009...my heart will be where it always is...cheering the Cowboys on...hopefully to the Super Bowl.

 

[Hostile]

Pissed? Not at all, but you may believe what you will.

As for agenda's, I have a pro-Cowboys agenda. That's why I will always be for what's best for the team and against what hinders our success.

I don't doubt this one bit Bach. Not a word of it. I believe 90% of us believe that our own ideas are the best ideas on how things should be done. Personally I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't see anything wrong with other disagreeing that your ideas (agendas), or my ideas (agendas), or Joe Blow's ideas (agendas). What is wrong with disagreement? Nothing as far as I am concerned.

I believe a GM has 2 major responsibilities. Manage the cap so the team is not handicapped and find talent. I'm not looking for miracles because every year 31 teams are going to lose. I believe Tex Schramm was the best GM in NFL history. Tex couldn't paste and scrape a winner out of every season. No one can.

Jerry of 6 years ago couldn't get the job done. Jerry of post 2003 is doing his damnedest. His input on any given season ends with cap and talent assembled.

I simply don't see him as an albatross. In the past I have. I was as cynical as you, if not more so. Good drafts, and a return to winning have curtailed that for now.

I repeat, for now...

 

[dbair1967]

I simply don't see him as an albatross. In the past I have. I was as cynical as you, if not more so. Good drafts, and a return to winning have curtailed that for now.

Yeah but 9-7 and not even making the playoffs doesnt qualify as "winning" to me, not with the level of talent we have...not when they flopped last yr down the stretch and in the playoffs, and the whole offseaosn was dedicated to "finishing" and having success in January.

It was so obvious yesterday (and last week) that this team isnt preparing or playing inspired football...its a disgrace, and its not going to change if everything is status quo for next yr regardless of what players they add.

Like I said yesterday, Jerry did accomplish the #1 goal of any owner/GM and put a very talented roster together. Now he should do the #2 most important thing and realize this staff is not getting it done, and almost assuredly will fail next yr too.

 

[visionary]

I see no reason not to be. I love the team. Love a bunch of these players and some of the coaches. I like the talent level. 50th Anniversary year. New Stadium. 12 Draft picks in April.

Why the hell shouldn't I be excited? I can't think of one single, solitary reason not to be.

Half full.

Hos, I ask this in the nicest way possible because I have read your opinions on this (and other previous) forum for a while and i respect them...

do you really not see what is right in front of your eyes?

 

[Gibby!]

You need an option that has both #1 and #2 combined.

Continuity is important, but so are the additions and subtractions that are going to be made from now until the end of the season next year. Whether its coaches or players.

The most important thing this team needs to do is find a team identity or philosophy, and stick with it. I'm getting a little worn out with the loser in December / January philosophy .

 

[Hostile]

Yeah but 9-7 and not even making the playoffs doesnt qualify as "winning" to me, not with the level of talent we have...not when they flopped last yr down the stretch and in the playoffs, and the whole offseaosn was dedicated to "finishing" and having success in January.

It was so obvious yesterday (and last week) that this team isnt preparing or playing inspired football...its a disgrace, and its not going to change if everything is status quo for next yr regardless of what players they add.

Like I said yesterday, Jerry did accomplish the #1 goal of any owner/GM and put a very talented roster together. Now he should do the #2 most important thing and realize this staff is not getting it done, and almost assuredly will fail next yr too.

I dispute that. In fact I think you are forgetting a lot of facts.

I didn't say I am satisfied with 2008. In fact, 2008 is one of the worst years of my life and the Cowboys season just adds to it. It is my least satisfying year ever because there is talent assembled to be so much better.

 

[TNCowboy]

do you really not see what is right in front of your eyes?

No, according to this poll, about half the fans don't.

Jerry Jones wouldn't be able to get away with this nonsense were it not so.

These last 2 games have shown there's no reason whatsoever to think this team is on the right path.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, I ask this in the nicest way possible because I have read your opinions on this (and other previous) forum for a while and i respect them...

do you really not see what is right in front of your eyes?

Do I see them the same as you is the question?

Understand something, coming off of 13-3 many on here were saying we would go 14-2, 15-1, or even 16-0. I wasn't. I said we could go 11-5 and be a better team than 2007. We didn't go 11-5. We underachieved. I am not saying any different. I just think there are a lot of factors to it that are fixable and I think the pieces are in place to build a team for the long haul.

We aren't Detroit. Why pretend there is no hope? I don't understand over reactions very well.

You're more than welcome to educate me on every way in which I am wrong. I've always respected your insights.

 

[chinch]

Jerry doesn't bother me the way he does some of you. I don't agree that he is an issue. I understand what a GM does and think he does exactly what a good GM should. Is he perfect? Hell no. But I don't agree with the notion that he is the reason we can't win.

you said jerry was best GM of the last 20 years. :laugh2:

the fact that you like Jerry is no surprise as you seem to share Jerry's personality tendencies (also shared by the Captain of the Titanic might I add) in being stubborn to a fault - once dug in there is no digging out -- regardless of the cost or outcome.

Jerry sticks with a bad idea and wears it like a badge of courage. LOL.

Too bad many of you totally ignore his interference, enabling, premature overpaying and football buffoonery when evaluating this ringleader... jerry is not a good leader or "parent" to these players he just wants to be the players best friend & chief enabler.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I am a half full guy on 2009. I was a glass half empty guy yesterday and can prove it. In fact as soon as we were past Thanksgiving I went to glass half empty mode. I think I am a realist rather than a reactionary. I don't get too up or too down by wins or losses.

I stand corrected then. I am going back to your posts at the begining of the season, when I thought you were, way too optimistic. But then I have not been optimistic or overly of Romo and secondarily of Wade Phillips.

I do give it to you, that you don't react after a game much like, well me. Although it serves as a therapy for me, to vent and go on overreaction mode to get it off my system.

 

[Hostile]

you said jerry was best GM of the last 20 years. :laugh2:

No, you said I said that. I said Scott Pioli is the only GM who has as many skins on the wall as Jerry does. There's a difference.

the fact that you like Jerry is no surprise as you seem to share Jerry's personality tendencies (also shared by the Captain of the Titanic might I add) in being stubborn to a fault - once dug in there is no digging out -- regardless of the cost or outcome.

This is a poor job of insulting me. You can do a lot better. I expect better.

Jerry sticks with a bad idea and wears it like a badge of courage. LOL.

Dude, look in the mirror.

Too bad many of you totally ignore his interference, enabling, premature overpaying and football buffoonery when evaluating this ringleader... jerry is not a good leader or "parent" to these players he just wants to be the players best friend & chief enabler.

Boring. Hit the snooze button.

 

[tomson75]

No, according to this poll, about half the fans don't.

Jerry Jones wouldn't be able to get away with this nonsense were it not so.

These last 2 games have shown there's no reason whatsoever to think this team is on the right path.

What you fail to comprehend is that there is no direct correlation between being enthusiastic and hopeful and being able to see what is "directly before your eyes".

I think myself and others...the oft labeled shills, homers, and blind enthusiasts that we are....are still very capable of seeing what this team is. We just don't react to it the same as you. Nor do I want to. I'm miserable enough as it is.

Would I like to see heads roll? Hell yeah...but I'm not giving up if they don't.

 

[visionary]

Do I see them the same as you is the question?

Understand something, coming off of 13-3 many on here were saying we would go 14-2, 15-1, or even 16-0. I wasn't. I said we could go 11-5 and be a better team than 2007. We didn't go 11-5. We underachieved. I am not saying any different. I just think there are a lot of factors to it that are fixable and I think the pieces are in place to build a team for the long haul.

We aren't Detroit. Why pretend there is no hope? I don't understand over reactions very well.

You're more than welcome to educate me on every way in which I am wrong. I've always respected your insights.

hos, i agree with you on all those counts, we do have the pieces, we can get better, but this is the exact source of my frustration.

the problem is that the people who are allegedly supposed to do the 'fixing' are the root cause of the problem, wade, garret, and co.

JJ is the owner and he wont go, so to expect him to leave is asinine, but WP and JG have to leave, the culture of entitlement ("we are the most talented team in the league"), has to change. we need to bring in someone (coach) who will provide leadership, intensity, and accountability. until then nothing changes.

i see no reason to expect any significant change next year. if we add a player or 2 to this team, that will not change the culture of this team and will just be a bandaid.

just my .02

 

[the kid 05]

15-1 in 09!

more serious. I can't wait tell next season, I'm praying to every god and goddess i can think of that we dont get bit by the injury bug as bad next year. Roy Williams and Kyle Kosier goin out hurt us extremely bad then losing valuable spot players such as killa, felix, proctor, watkins. next year it will be a blood bath for our opposing teams.

 

[CrazyMonster]

Count me OUT for 2009, unless Wade Phillips & co are fired.