A show of hands please, will you be as enthused in '09 with the cards dealt by Jerra?

[the kid 05]

Count me OUT for 2009, unless Wade Phillips & co are fired.

promise? can i get your jerseys?

 

[CrazyMonster]

promise? can i get your jerseys?

Yes I do promise & NO you may not.

 

[Hostile]

I stand corrected then. I am going back to your posts at the begining of the season, when I thought you were, way too optimistic. But then I have not been optimistic or overly of Romo and secondarily of Wade Phillips.

I do give it to you, that you don't react after a game much like, well me. Although it serves as a therapy for me, to vent and go on overreaction mode to get it off my system.

I was called a pessimist by some, an optimist by others.

To me that means I was about down the middle.

They underachieved. No spin.

 

[chinch]

No, you said I said that. I said Scott Pioli is the only GM who has as many skins on the wall as Jerry does. There's a difference.

nope... you said it.

 

[Bach]

I believe a GM has 2 major responsibilities. Manage the cap so the team is not handicapped and find talent. I'm not looking for miracles because every year 31 teams are going to lose. I believe Tex Schramm was the best GM in NFL history. Tex couldn't paste and scrape a winner out of every season. No one can.

Jerry of 6 years ago couldn't get the job done. Jerry of post 2003 is doing his damnedest. His input on any given season ends with cap and talent assembled.

I simply don't see him as an albatross. In the past I have. I was as cynical as you, if not more so. Good drafts, and a return to winning have curtailed that for now.

I repeat, for now...

Too bad Jerry doesn't limit his GM role to managing the cap and finding talent. While he has been better at both of those things now, you also have the coaching staff. The GM/owner is responsible for hiring the HC. But it should end there.

But Jerry can't help himself. He has to have his meddling hands all over it. He hired Garrett prior to us having a HC. He hired Campo and Houck as well. Now you may say that these guys are all good assistants, and that could be. But why not allow your HC to control his own staff? Once you have Jerry hiring part of the staff, it just shows the entire team that the HC really isn't the HC. It takes us back to the Gailey/Campo years when we had glorified assistants with a title.

How can you expect the HC to control the team and have the respect of the team when he doesn't even have the control over his own staff. All Jerry does, even though I'm sure it isn't intentional, is undermine the HC. When push comes to shove you think guys Jerry hired like Garrett, Houck and Campo are going to side with Wade or maybe run to Jerry? Now I'm sure Wade may not mind since this is likely his last HC gig, but that is irrelevant. This isn't any way to run a successful organization. And the players, are they going to have full respect of the HC when they see he really isn't the "man" in charge? Doubtful.

But this went on through Barry, Chan's and Campo's tenure and people dismissed it, and I'm sure many will dismiss it now too. But it didn't happen under Jimmy's time here. And for the most part Parcells had final say over his staff, with the possible exception of Zimmer.

Then there's also the issue of Jerry the marketer/businessman. He's a salesman and a ticketseller. That's fine. But when the GM is also the salesman it has a way of influencing some personnel decisions. Nothing like signing some bad character players who happen to be big-name players in order to sell tickets and generate more hype. Nothing like having Hard Knocks and DJ's at practice. Jerry has admitted he had no problem with these "distractions" because it kept the team in the headlines and he personally didn't think it was a hindrance. I remember you agreed with him. But I guarantee you guys like Jimmy and Bill wouldn't have agreed.

So yeah, Jerry is an albatross hanging over this organization and has been since his ego got hurt at the end of Jimmy's tenure. It took the 5-11 seasons to get him to reign it in, but now it's fully out there again.

But hey, look at the headlines. Despite going 9-7 and missing the playoffs, the Jerry's Cowboys are front page news. Just the way Jerry likes it.

 

[Dodger12]

I'll be back again next season rooting for the Cowboys. They're my team and I'm going to stick with them until my last breath.

BUT, what I won't do is spend another dollar on tickets or merchandise. I was in Philly yesterday and saw that debacle first hand. I went to Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago and saw defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. I won't pay to see this performance or this disfunctionally unmotivated self serving group of players being coached by a soft stepping appologist HC.

 

[silver]

you know what they call a pessimist around here? a well informed optimist.

 

[Hostile]

hos, i agree with you on all those counts, we do have the pieces, we can get better, but this is the exact source of my frustration.

I don't know that you shouldn't be frustrated. Heaven knows I am. 2008 sucked. It was the most disappointed I have ever been in a season.

the problem is that the people who are allegedly supposed to do the 'fixing' are the root cause of the problem, wade, garret, and co.

I partially agree with this. I was dead set against hiring back Dave Campo. I was crowing for Emmitt Thomas and when the Falcons wouldn't part with him I was all over wanting Dennis Thurman. But I'm not dumb enough to think Dave Campo cannot improve the secondary and therefore the staff of this team. When wade took over the Defense, did they improve? Did the Offense begin to suffer at almost the same time?

I am not saying Wade Phillips is the constant of success for either side of the ball, but the man can coach. Doe she have faults? Who doesn't?

I think Jason Garrett is getting too much blame. Injuries and other factors limited this Offense a bit, not his system. The problems on Offense are the easiest fix we have.

JJ is the owner and he wont go, so to expect him to leave is asinine, but WP and JG have to leave, the culture of entitlement ("we are the most talented team in the league"), has to change. we need to bring in someone (coach) who will provide leadership, intensity, and accountability. until then nothing changes.

I don't expect Jerry to leave, nor do I want him to go.

Accountability I agree with. I don't believe coaching changes equal automatic accountability. That is the difference.

i see no reason to expect any significant change next year. if we add a player or 2 to this team, that will not change the culture of this team and will just be a bandaid.

just my .02

I think Romo is not at all healthy and hasn't been since the Arizona game. First his hand, then his back. A healthy Tony Romo doesn't factor in? What about a healthy OL? A healthy Barber? Felix back? A better backup QB?

These potential improvements don't even have to include draft picks.

There are similar options on Defense.

Accountability, I do agree with. No argument form me on that.

 

[Hostile]

nope... you said it.

LOL

Got a link?

 

[silver]

I believe a GM has 2 major responsibilities. Manage the cap so the team is not handicapped and find talent. I'm not looking for miracles because every year 31 teams are going to lose. I believe Tex Schramm was the best GM in NFL history. Tex couldn't paste and scrape a winner out of every season. No one can.

If only Jerry would limit his involvement to do those 2 responsibilities things would be fine. But he also has a say so on who starts. How can you explain Roy Williams 11 and Pacman starting for this team? Jerry also said Romo would play in the Rams game. He was also shocked and threw Barber under the bus for missing the Pittsburgh game. He undermines the coaching staff all the time. He should skip the middle man and name himself HC and have Wade as his Assistant HC.

 

[Rack]

Jerry doesn't bother me the way he does some of you. I don't agree that he is an issue. I understand what a GM does and think he does exactly what a good GM should. Is he perfect? Hell no. But I don't agree with the notion that he is the reason we can't win.

As a GM he's fine. But he does MORE then what a GM is supposed to do.


One voice. That's what the players should have. As long as JJ sticks his nose in the coaches business, the players will have two voices.

 

[Hostile]

Too bad Jerry doesn't limit his GM role to managing the cap and finding talent. While he has been better at both of those things now, you also have the coaching staff. The GM/owner is responsible for hiring the HC. But it should end there.

I include the coaching staff in with the talent. I was not limiting that to players.

But Jerry can't help himself. He has to have his meddling hands all over it. He hired Garrett prior to us having a HC. He hired Campo and Houck as well. Now you may say that these guys are all good assistants, and that could be. But why not allow your HC to control his own staff? Once you have Jerry hiring part of the staff, it just shows the entire team that the HC really isn't the HC. It takes us back to the Gailey/Campo years when we had glorified assistants with a title.

How can you expect the HC to control the team and have the respect of the team when he doesn't even have the control over his own staff. All Jerry does, even though I'm sure it isn't intentional, is undermine the HC. When push comes to shove you think guys Jerry hired like Garrett, Houck and Campo are going to side with Wade or maybe run to Jerry? Now I'm sure Wade may not mind since this is likely his last HC gig, but that is irrelevant. This isn't any way to run a successful organization. And the players, are they going to have full respect of the HC when they see he really isn't the "man" in charge? Doubtful.

But this went on through Barry, Chan's and Campo's tenure and people dismissed it, and I'm sure many will dismiss it now too. But it didn't happen under Jimmy's time here. And for the most part Parcells had final say over his staff, with the possible exception of Zimmer.

I've gone round and round with you on this stuff before. I have no desire to do so again. I'll agree to disagree.

Boo, Shante Carver. I hope that placates you.

Then there's also the issue of Jerry the marketer/businessman. He's a salesman and a ticketseller. That's fine. But when the GM is also the salesman it has a way of influencing some personnel decisions. Nothing like signing some bad character players who happen to be big-name players in order to sell tickets and generate more hype. Nothing like having Hard Knocks and DJ's at practice. Jerry has admitted he had no problem with these "distractions" because it kept the team in the headlines and he personally didn't think it was a hindrance. I remember you agreed with him. But I guarantee you guys like Jimmy and Bill wouldn't have agreed.

Gee, you just described Tex Schramm too.

So yeah, Jerry is an albatross hanging over this organization and has been since his ego got hurt at the end of Jimmy's tenure. It took the 5-11 seasons to get him to reign it in, but now it's fully out there again.

More of the same. Focus on Campo.

No thanks.

But hey, look at the headlines. Despite going 9-7 and missing the playoffs, the Jerry's Cowboys are front page news. Just the way Jerry likes it.

It's the way we all like it. If no one was saying anything many would say they never talk about us. I openly admit, I like the Cowboys being the straw that stirs the drink. Call it my agenda. I won't fight you on it.

 

[Hostile]

If only Jerry would limit his involvement to do those 2 responsibilities things would be fine. But he also has a say so on who starts. How can you explain Roy Williams 11 and Pacman starting for this team? Jerry also said Romo would play in the Rams game. He was also shocked and threw Barber under the bus for missing the Pittsburgh game. He undermines the coaching staff all the time. He should skip the middle man and name himself HC and have Wade as his Assistant HC.

I have seen no evidence beyond fan conspiracy theories that he dictates starting and lineups.

 

[visionary]

I don't know that you shouldn't be frustrated. Heaven knows I am. 2008 sucked. It was the most disappointed I have ever been in a season.

I partially agree with this. I was dead set against hiring back Dave Campo. I was crowing for Emmitt Thomas and when the Falcons wouldn't part with him I was all over wanting Dennis Thurman. But I'm not dumb enough to think Dave Campo cannot improve the secondary and therefore the staff of this team. When wade took over the Defense, did they improve? Did the Offense begin to suffer at almost the same time?

I am not saying Wade Phillips is the constant of success for either side of the ball, but the man can coach. Doe she have faults? Who doesn't?

I think Jason Garrett is getting too much blame. Injuries and other factors limited this Offense a bit, not his system. The problems on Offense are the easiest fix we have.

I don't expect Jerry to leave, nor do I want him to go.

Accountability I agree with. I don't believe coaching changes equal automatic accountability. That is the difference.

I think Romo is not at all healthy and hasn't been since the Arizona game. First his hand, then his back. A healthy Tony Romo doesn't factor in? What about a healthy OL? A healthy Barber? Felix back? A better backup QB?

These potential improvements don't even have to include draft picks.

There are similar options on Defense.

Accountability, I do agree with. No argument form me on that.

all those things count but unfortunately there are very few self starters on this team, witten, ware, maybe a couple of others. human nature being what it is, this team will continue to underperform until they have someone to respect and fear. someone they are accountable to. i see no one on this team like that.

lets discuss this again late december next year. i hope i am wrong but i am afraid i am not.

 

[Hostile]

all those things count but unfortunately there are very few self starters on this team, witten, ware, maybe a couple of others. human nature being what it is, this team will continue to underperform until they have someone to respect and fear. someone they are accountable to. i see no one on this team like that.

lets discuss this again late december next year. i hope i am wrong but i am afraid i am not.

Question. Be serious.

Do players only regress or remain static from one year to the next?

Don't get me wrong, I already dread December 2009 and the last game of the season. Dread I tell you.

 

[SDogo]

Forget it, sick of playing the fool

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Blah, excuses being made for horrific coaching and overpriced, lazy, dumb players. This team is a freakin mess and you can put make-up on it all you want i am done hearing it.

I might have to become a partial Texans fan. I have a feeling this pathetic display of a “team” will continue for years to come as long as Jerry is alive.

 

[chinch]

LOL

Got a link?

62k posts and a vB search incomplete. you said to paraphrase you'd want noone else as GM for the last 20 years and he's the best GM for 20 years (obviously it's not 20 years yet but it's implied he's not stepping down).

why would i make that up... LOL. you spout off over and over how great Jerry is.

Trust me most here wouldn't question a moderator but most read in dismay since it reads like something like ART from ES would spin. Not something an unbiased analyst would post.

Then you completely ignore and dismiss all the things like what Bach posted... just like Jerry dismissed the concept of firing Wade after yesterday's loss and our terrible lost two seasons.

whatever.

 

[chinch]

I have seen no evidence beyond fan conspiracy theories that he dictates starting and lineups.

Yet at the same time you have no evidence that the coach IS NOT swayed or dictated by our GM.

 

[Use Your Illusion]

Why would anyone be enthused? Same coaching staff and same players that just got railroaded by their bitter division rivals in a must-win game is back for another go at it and I can't imagine why anyone would be excited about that.