A Tale of Two QB's

[shabazz]

2-5 vs 5-5........I guess at least one of them made it past the divisional and championship round.

 

[StarW]

It's not even close. Dak is the better QB, especially after playing under much lesser head coaches and a GM/owner. If Dak played under McVay or Campbell, he would have helped not only lead those Goff led teams to Super Bowls, but won them as well.

It definitely is not even close. Dak has achieved more stat-wise with much less than Goff has had to.

Or Shannahan

 

[Shotgun Dave]

Im am so glad you posted this.

Kaepernick has a Superbowl appearance. Clearly he was a better quarterback than Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and every NFL quarterback in history who has never reached a Superbowl...... according to your logic, correct?

Yes!! Yes!!! The post season is what matters the MOST!! My friend, we both agree on that and you have absolutely no arguments from me.

With THAT said.....

Your logic clearly backs up the argument that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Brad Johnson were better quarterbacks than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, etc..... because Trent Dilfer, Foles and Brad Johnson all won Superbowls....

Something that those other quarterbacks I've listed HAVE NOT done.

According to your post, there is no way you can dispute these facts, correct?

Yes, everyone knows Kap was a far better QB than, say, Dan Marino. Right?

Um, of course not.

The Dak haters are just gonna hate. They have DDS, and nothing anyone can show them will ever change their minds.

This forum has gotten a lot more popular in the past 10 years, and with it the lunatic fringe has grown as well. Some on here would have you believe that your opinion is bad, and all the data and statistics that says he is a “strong-to-quite-strong” QB are even worse because, somehow, the preponderance of evidence is less meaningful than their own opinion.

Delusion is something, innit?

I think Dak has been a very good and sometimes outstanding QB. If the preponderance of data showed he was just average, I’d be like “huh. OK. I guess I’ve been wrong”, but that’s not the case.

No matter what, some of the DDS crew will swear I’m wrong and the data is wrong and the stats are ALL WRONG.

Because THEY KNOW BEST.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak 2 wins, 5 losses in playoffs. Dak does not have a second higher gear when the playoffs start.

Team playoff losses. The whole team made mistakes in the playoffs, not only Dak.

 

[GINeric]

Team playoff losses. The whole team made mistakes in the playoffs, not only Dak.

I can't believe that people still aren't smart enough to understand this isn't boxing. It truly boggles my mind that they can't grasp the simple concept that football teams consist of 53 players. They're are 21 other starters who play in football games, then you sprinkle in the multiple reserves who play special teams.

Are people really lacking this level of intelligence to believe NFL football games are won or loss by one person? Unbelievable....

 

[VaqueroTD]

I can't believe that people still aren't smart enough to understand this isn't boxing. It truly boggles my mind that they can't grasp the simple concept that football teams consist of 53 players. They're are 21 other starters who play in football games, then you sprinkle in the multiple reserves who play special teams.

Are people really lacking this level of intelligence to believe NFL football games are won or loss by one person? Unbelievable....

Because his playoff record is starting to become an outlier for 'franchise qbs.'

Peyton Manning was 3-6 before he won his first Super Bowl. People forget that along with his college career, Manning was viewed as a Playoff choker too. But that 3-6 record also included at least one conference championship loss.

Danny White, the original over achieving franchise QB before Romo and Dak, was 5-5 in Playoffs.

It's not just armchair quarterback fans and shock jocks calling him out on it, even the ex-players call it out in the media now. (although debatable if they're not trying to be shock jocks too)

Best comparison I can think of for Dak is Warren Moon at 3-7 lifetime in the Playoffs, and he didn't even get a chance to start in the NFL until almost age 30.

 

[GINeric]

Because his playoff record is starting to become an outlier for 'franchise qbs.'

Peyton Manning was 3-6 before he won his first Super Bowl. People forget that along with his college career, Manning was viewed as a Playoff choker too. But that 3-6 record also included at least one conference championship loss.

Danny White, the original over achieving franchise QB before Romo and Dak, was 5-5 in Playoffs.

It's not just armchair quarterback fans and shock jocks calling him out on it, even the ex-players call it out in the media now. (although debatable if they're not trying to be shock jocks too)

Best comparison I can think of for Dak is Warren Moon at 3-7 lifetime in the Playoffs, and he didn't even get a chance to start in the NFL until almost age 30.

The Warren Moon comparison is actually an excellent comparison. I think Moon had a stronger arm though, but great comparison.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I can't believe that people still aren't smart enough to understand this isn't boxing. It truly boggles my mind that they can't grasp the simple concept that football teams consist of 53 players. They're are 21 other starters who play in football games, then you sprinkle in the multiple reserves who play special teams.

Are people really lacking this level of intelligence to believe NFL football games are won or loss by one person? Unbelievable....

They know better. They simply don't care. They just want to attack Dak.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes, everyone knows Kap was a far better QB than, say, Dan Marino. Right?

Um, of course not.

The Dak haters are just gonna hate. They have DDS, and nothing anyone can show them will ever change their minds.

This forum has gotten a lot more popular in the past 10 years, and with it the lunatic fringe has grown as well. Some on here would have you believe that your opinion is bad, and all the data and statistics that says he is a “strong-to-quite-strong” QB are even worse because, somehow, the preponderance of evidence is less meaningful than their own opinion.

Delusion is something, innit?

I think Dak has been a very good and sometimes outstanding QB. If the preponderance of data showed he was just average, I’d be like “huh. OK. I guess I’ve been wrong”, but that’s not the case.

No matter what, some of the DDS crew will swear I’m wrong and the data is wrong and the stats are ALL WRONG.

Because THEY KNOW BEST.

thats why i always say , facts have no place in the Dak war. the NFL as much as everyone wants to try and make it a "QB" league its not its a GM league... the winning teams have the best GM's thats just a fact.. With cap and roster structure being the most important things to be able to manage we are behind and its just not close..

 

[kramskoi]

a) What is "all out to get a lead"? Do coaches often allow the other team to get a lead as a rope a dope tactic?

b)I thought that at least once upon a time Dak had good numbers against blitzes.

I do think that historically Dak has been worse against the zone. He'd throw a tick late and give up picks from the defender in the zone the WR was running into.

He graded out at elite level (90.2 with PFF) against the blitz this year...up from 83...which is still high (pro bowl level). Steve Spagnuolo threw the kitchen sink at him.

I wonder if some of the posters here do ANY research at all before they pontificate. You can't confuse him with the blitz. You are better off trying to bait him with clever zone coverage.

At present he stands alone as the only QB with (5) +300 yard passing games in 2025.

Key 2025 Blitz Stats (Through ~Week 14):

• Completion %: T-1st in NFL (83.3%).
• Passing Yards: 1st in NFL (371).
• First Downs: T-1st in NFL (16).
• Big Time Throws: 1st in NFL (3).
• Passer Rating: 3rd in NFL (126.5).
• Overall Grade: 5th in NFL (90.7).
• Passing Grade: 4th in NFL (90.2).

 

[kramskoi]

I don't. Those teams still needed Dak to scramble to give his receivers time to get open downfield or even keep the ball and run for key 1st downs to keep drives alive ot score in the redzone. Things Goff does not do well. Goff would have struggled with Dak's offenses.

Top Performers & Key Traits

• Dak Prescott (Cowboys): Leads in overall pocket QBR (80.9) and excels at finding space to reset his throws.
• Drake Maye (Patriots): Stands out for his pocket poise, calm movements, and high TD-to-INT ratio on pocket throws (19:4).
• Joe Burrow (Bengals): Recognized as a pure dropback QB with top processing and accuracy, even on tough sideline throws, though contextual factors matter.
• Matthew Stafford (Rams): Continues elite play, demonstrating precision and chemistry from the pocket, even with a less-than-dominant O-line.
• Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): Still a top tier QB, though sometimes noted for high rates of batted balls/throwaways within the pocket

 

[kramskoi]

The Rams tried to win with Goff, they couldn't and understood that. They shipped him off the Detroit. The same would have happened if they had Dak instead of Goff. Some guys have it, others don't. Neither Goff nor Prescott will ever win a title or at least their team won't be winning because of them. Neither of them possesses that extra bit of grit to get it done even when everything is falling apart around them.

You could've said the same thing about Matthew Stafford...0 - 3 in all playoff games over 12 seasons with Detroit. First player drafted in 2009.

If Hurts can win a championship then surely Goff and Prescott can. It's a matter of offensive philosophy. The Cowboys still don't run the ball enough...especially in the red-zone.

 

[kramskoi]

Dak scrambled? Go look again, suggest all 22, little to no scrambling after 2020.

He's more mobile than Goff. He leads the league in pocket QBR (80.9). Goff isn't even on the radar. His QBR rushing number is actually negative. Goff currently trails Prescott badly in PAA, EPA, PASS and RUSH

 

[kramskoi]

A good defense during Dak's first 5 years? Did you forget how horrible those defenses were? Those defenses cost us from advancing to the NFC championship game in 2016 during Dak's rookie year abd in 2018 and 2019. Did you forget?

Yep. 2016 vs. Rodgers at home. One of the better defenses was the 2009 version under Wade...15.6 ppg. No defense since then has been as stingy. Mostly in the 18 - 22 ppg range these days.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Top Performers & Key Traits

• Dak Prescott (Cowboys): Leads in overall pocket QBR (80.9) and excels at finding space to reset his throws.
• Drake Maye (Patriots): Stands out for his pocket poise, calm movements, and high TD-to-INT ratio on pocket throws (19:4).
• Joe Burrow (Bengals): Recognized as a pure dropback QB with top processing and accuracy, even on tough sideline throws, though contextual factors matter.
• Matthew Stafford (Rams): Continues elite play, demonstrating precision and chemistry from the pocket, even with a less-than-dominant O-line.
• Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs): Still a top tier QB, though sometimes noted for high rates of batted balls/throwaways within the pocket

Thank you for this. It verifies 100% what I've seen and am now saying.

It's messed up how any so-called Cowboys fan could either forget such abilities and statistical facts about Dak, or they find it easy just to plain lie about what they accuse Dak of doing.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yep. 2016 vs. Rodgers at home. One of the better defenses was the 2009 version under Wade...15.6 ppg. No defense since then has been as stingy. Mostly in the 18 - 22 ppg range these days.

Thank you once again!

How can any Cowboys fan forget these events?

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

You guys keep sugar coating that despite all of these facts, Dak played poorly in the playoffs losses vs Green Bay and the last 2 San Fran games. The green bay game can be chalked up as a team loss but the San Fran games, that's on offense and the 12 point game that's on Dak.

Until otherwise shown, he chokes in the playoffs. I'm not here for a stat chasing yuppy. Give me Eli manning any day of the week over Dak. Would rather see some NFC championships and superbowls then see Dak homers post how he's top 5 every single year.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Because his playoff record is starting to become an outlier for 'franchise qbs.'

It's already beyond outlier and is the worst starting playoff record in NFL history for a "franchise QB" with at least 5 starts.

 

[Cowboys5217]

You guys keep sugar coating that despite all of these facts, Dak played poorly in the playoffs losses vs Green Bay and the last 2 San Fran games. The green bay game can be chalked up as a team loss but the San Fran games, that's on offense and the 12 point game that's on Dak.

Until otherwise shown, he chokes in the playoffs. I'm not here for a stat chasing yuppy. Give me Eli manning any day of the week over Dak. Would rather see some NFC championships and superbowls then see Dak homers post how he's top 5 every single year.

Dak was the worst player on the field in the first half of that GB game.

 

[Johannes44]

You could've said the same thing about Matthew Stafford...0 - 3

Sure, unless you overlook the very real fact that it was Detroit. It was the same as looking a the Browns and claiming Mayfield was a bust.