A Tale of Two QB's

[Bob-Lillys-War]

He’s terrible value now with that anchor of a contract.

yep .

 

[Cmac]

At the end of the season, the results would be the same with any of the QBs you listed so what’s your point?

To answer your question................If don't think it would be better with the QBs I listed...........Andy Dalton, Cooper Rush, Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, Kenny Pickett, or Zach Wilson.......getting to 20 points would be a major accomplishment. It's concerning that you think everything would be ok. SMH.

 

[Cmac]

So no answer to my question? lol

See my response......make sure your friend Swagger checks it too.

 

[nhcowboyfan]

Pleasseeeee... Dak has failed with numerous talent over the years.

Please. It was Dak that carried those teams that had three All-pro OL (Fredbeard, T. Smith, and Martin); a prime Zeke and Pollard; Dez, Witten, Ceedee, and Amari; and a defense that held the 49ers to 23 and 19 points, respectively, in two playoff games. If you can't see that, then you a hater.

 

[StarLord]

Aubrey put up 17
Dak put up 13

Yeah getting the ball to the 45 and sending in Aubrey is not a credit to the QB.

 

[Johannes44]

Please. It was Dak that carried those teams that had three All-pro OL (Fredbeard, T. Smith, and Martin); a prime Zeke and Pollard; Dez, Witten, Ceedee, and Amari; and a defense that held the 49ers to 23 and 19 points, respectively, in two playoff games. If you can't see that, then you a hater.

When he says Dak carried those teams what he really means is that Dak was carried by those teams. The problem is that you can surround Dak with a ton of talent for what they were paying him then. He isn't the QB that is going to thrive while taking a quarter of the cap space.

 

[GINeric]

This is just some interesting information for us to digest. Take from it what you will and not intended to start arguments one way or the other.

On a personal note, although I don't like Dak, I do like Jared and if they have such similar careers, I can at least admit that Dak is a good QB for the Cowboys and just needs to deliver in the playoffs to move to the next tier. Crazy how close they are in a lot of ways. Goff has 12 more games played than Dak, factoring that in and their stats are even closer. Not counting Dak's early career dual threat stats as Goff has never been a runner.

	Dak	Goff
Drafted	4th Round	1st Round
Seasons	10	10
Games Played	135	147
Record	82-52-1	89-57-1
Playoff Record	2-5	5-5
Current Contract	4-Yr / $240 Million	4-Yr / $212 Million
Championship Game Appearances	0	2
Superbowl Appearances	0	1
Career Earnings	$296,300,000	$241,627,068
Passing Touchdowns	239	248
Passing Yards	35,074	38,392
Passing C%	67.1%	66%
Passing Yards Avg.	7.6	7.6
Interceptions	92	99
Pick 6s	9	9
Fumbles	65	73
Sacks Taken	278	275
Rushing Yards	2076	595
Rushing Touchdowns	31	12
4th Quarter Comebacks	19	18
Last Night Completions	31/47	25/34
Last Night Yards	376	309
Last Night Interceptions	2	0
Last Night Touchdowns Thrown	1	1
Passer Rating Career	98.4	96.9

Pretty good breakdown. Nice work!

 

[GINeric]

Oh and I forgot to mention.... Goff has 2 championship appearances with 2 different teams. I think we can all safely assume that if Dak played both another team, he would never recover and would be out of the league in a season or 2.

Trent Dilfer and Superbowl win in his first try. Jim Kelly had four tries and couldn't do what Trent Dilfer did in one try. I think we can all safely assume that if Dilfer played on those four Superbowl Bills team, he wins atleast two of them.

Kaepernick took his team to a Superbowl. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson haven't and people tell me that Allen and Jackson are better than Kaepernick.

If you put Kaepernick on those Ravens and Bills playoff teams, its safe to say that Kaepernick leads either team to the Superbowl. Something Jackson and Allen haven't shown that they are capable of doing yet.

 

[GINeric]

Dak started his career coached by Garrett and Jerry as his GM.. Goff started with McVay.

Enough said.

Why did you have to mess around and intelligently make a point that makes since? Don't you know that intelligent posts kill false narratives around here?

Shame on you!!

 

[DillusionalFans]

It's not even close. Dak is the better QB, especially after playing under much lesser head coaches and a GM/owner. If Dak played under McVay or Campbell, he would have helped not only lead those Goff led teams to Super Bowls, but won them as well.

It definitely is not even close. Dak has achieved more stat-wise with much less than Goff has had to.

I agree Garrett was bad but Dak had an all-pro OL and offensive weapons his first 5 years and a good defense, yet not much to show for it regarding playoffs.

 

[GINeric]

Superbowl appearance .

Just with that , its not even close .

Post season is what matters .

Im am so glad you posted this.

Kaepernick has a Superbowl appearance. Clearly he was a better quarterback than Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and every NFL quarterback in history who has never reached a Superbowl...... according to your logic, correct?

Yes!! Yes!!! The post season is what matters the MOST!! My friend, we both agree on that and you have absolutely no arguments from me.

With THAT said.....

Your logic clearly backs up the argument that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Brad Johnson were better quarterbacks than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, etc..... because Trent Dilfer, Foles and Brad Johnson all won Superbowls....

Something that those other quarterbacks I've listed HAVE NOT done.

According to your post, there is no way you can dispute these facts, correct?

 

[GINeric]

I agree Garrett was bad but Dak had an all-pro OL and offensive weapons his first 5 years and a good defense, yet not much to show for it regarding playoffs.

What good is having all that talent when the coaching is trash? Look at all the talent the Commanders had in 2000. They had a pro bowl team, but that couldn't override weak coaching.

Having talent is great but you need the proper leadership to teach, guide and coach that talent. Look at how Bill Parcells, Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh and other coaches like that turn teams around for the better with different franchises.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I agree Garrett was bad but Dak had an all-pro OL and offensive weapons his first 5 years and a good defense, yet not much to show for it regarding playoffs.

A good defense during Dak's first 5 years? Did you forget how horrible those defenses were? Those defenses cost us from advancing to the NFC championship game in 2016 during Dak's rookie year abd in 2018 and 2019. Did you forget?

 

[Wildcat711]

Im am so glad you posted this.

Kaepernick has a Superbowl appearance. Clearly he was a better quarterback than Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and every NFL quarterback in history who has never reached a Superbowl...... according to your logic, correct?

Yes!! Yes!!! The post season is what matters the MOST!! My friend, we both agree on that and you have absolutely no arguments from me.

With THAT said.....

Your logic clearly backs up the argument that Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles and Brad Johnson were better quarterbacks than Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, etc..... because Trent Dilfer, Foles and Brad Johnson all won Superbowls....

Something that those other quarterbacks I've listed HAVE NOT done.

According to your post, there is no way you can dispute these facts, correct?

I have seen you make this argument many times and no-one answers you..

And yes it makes sense.. I am not going to say Johnson was better than Marino.. lol

But what I would say is.. if I was a fan of any of those teams.. those guys would hold a special place in my heart just coz they won a SB.

There is space for Dak.. if he ever wins one.

 

[GINeric]

I have seen you make this argument many times and no-one answers you..

And yes it makes sense.. I am not going to say Johnson was better than Marino.. lol

But what I would say is.. if I was a fan of any of those teams.. those guys would hold a special place in my heart just coz they won a SB.

There is space for Dak.. if he ever wins one.

You know why the people who measure quarterbacks by Superbowl appearances and/or Superbowl wins and losses as if they did it by themselves, don't answer this specific argument that I make???

Because it would crush their narrative or place them in a position to either move goal posts or expose their hypocrisy.

 

[Pass2Run]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness...

 

[Proof]

Goff's success in the Playoffs is the difference, but Dak is great value from a 4th round pick.

just for arguments sake.

Dak in the playoffs: 280 ypg 64.5 comp pct 91 rtg 14 td's
Goff in the playoffs 245 ypg 61 comp pct 85 rtg 9 td's (in 10 games)

do with that what you will

 

[Proof]

He went to Lions and had no team, but took them to the playoffs in year 3, ending a significant drought and reaching the NFC Championship round, so no they are not the same. Goff was successful even during their major rebuild, closer Dak has come to a rebuild was 2018 and had t go get Amari bc he couldn't elevate others around him.

Post in thread 'A Tale of Two QB's'
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/a-tale-of-two-qbs.540776/post-14572179

Read above, Goff has been through Major rebuilding one of the worst teams in NFL. So, yes, he has evidence that contradicts your claim.

ehh. when he was the center of the rebuild they won 3 games lol. the following year they had the 2nd overall pick and the 12th overall pick. the former being hutch. and then 4 picks in the first two rounds the following year. that's the turnaround, not jared goff (imo) we'll see how dallas looks next year with 2 firsts (far later)

 

[Proof]

I wouldn’t go that far! Dak’s winning percentage against teams who finished the season with a winning record is .333% while his record against teams with a losing record is .848%.
Goff’s winning percentage against teams with a winning record is .468% and his winning percentage against teams with a losing record is .773%. Fact is, Dak is terrible against better teams while stacking stats on the weaker teams! Goff has a much better percentage against tougher competition.

can you cite the info? i tried looking and i only found this.

https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/

has goff at .393 which is still better, but not significantly. in four more games he has five more wins. still in his favor for sure, but not substantially.

 

[zekecowboy]

It's not even close. Dak is the better QB, especially after playing under much lesser head coaches and a GM/owner. If Dak played under McVay or Campbell, he would have helped not only lead those Goff led teams to Super Bowls, but won them as well.

It definitely is not even close. Dak has achieved more stat-wise with much less than Goff has had to.

Dak 2 wins, 5 losses in playoffs. Dak does not have a second higher gear when the playoffs start.