A Touch of Hostility... Week 14

[Beast_from_East]

Fans have a right to be upset. Many of us spend a good deal of money buying tickets, buying merchandise, ect....

We have stayed with the team after a decade and a half of not winning a single playoff game. Think about that, alot of the younger fans on this site have never seen the Cowboys win a postseason game. Many of us have dedicated rooms of our houses to the Cowboys, myself included.

So when the team once again appears to be choking in December, of course fans are going to get upset and want changes. Fans complain and get flustrated because they care about the team!!!!! They want to see the team win and when the team is losing and not doing anything about it (just keep letting Folk miss kick after kick after kick), fans are going to get angry because they dont see how doing the same thing over and over again is going to produce a different result.

The worse thing for the Cowboys would be if fans just became indifferent. Thats because if you dont care, you dont complain. The day fans stop complaining when the team is losing is the day the team will lose a large portion of its fan base.

 

[RoadRunner]

I hate December. This decade has sucked. I'm weary of it all.

Somebody mentioned somewhere that our December record this decade is even worse than the 1970s Saints. We have 3 (+possible playoff) games to prevent this from being the only decade with both a losing record overall, and zero playoff wins. Good job Jerry. One hell of a GM.

 

[Gaede]

Very simple: Norv is the difference.


But here's where coaching, and what separates the masters from the good ones, comes in. A good coach calls a cover 2 defense to guard against the dump offs and short passes to the TE, guarding against first downs and long drives. A MASTER coach knows that his opponent is Norv Turner. Coach Turner has a reputation for liking the big play down field ( as he often tried during the game ). Coach Turner also has a reputation for taking chances ( something he learned from Jimmy Johnson ) and going for the kill, so during the injury TO, that master coach is trying to figure out what the next play is going to be. If he's done his homework, he'd know that Turner will most probably want to go deep now that his opponent's best pass rusher on his way to the hospital, so he'll call a defense that he's been, basically, calling most of the night and working ( man to man, with help over the top ).

Awesome post. Norv absolutely has a feel for the game whereas the Boys' coaches are seemingly clueless.

'Going for the kill' is something neither of our coordinators know how to do. It's not that they're stupid. It's not that they're inexperienced. They just don't have a feel for the game--they don't have the anticipatory, aggressive mindset that separates great strategists from good ones.

 

[Real1st]

I do agree, the group of "Fans" that love it when we lose and post here in bunches right after make me ill.

they always talk about all this generic crap and just basically intend to frustrate and tick off the rest of us.

I havent seen one person talk about the corelation of the goal line stand and the loss of marty b. they are all to busy firing all the coaches and saying how are players suck.

I have to agree with you hos. this place has actually turned for the worse and it just makes the losses more hard to handle. the fans of this team never stand up for their team, they just want to move on to the next hot name or topic.

I always find it ironic that the same fans who post on here who complain about the fans in the stadium actually have the exact same crappy attitude as the people they are complaining about. I always get the feeling these people would be the ones in the stadium yelling and screaming about firing coaches and benching players during the game....

Losing sucks. it really sucks that a place as large as this just makes the losses worse.

Fans are upset.. Shut the **** up and deal with it.

Some are cool headed like you and some just are angry when this team loses because both sides care about and love this team. What i am getting fed up with is the lets divide the board into two cliques attitude.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

The "Realists" and the "Optimists" should probably both shut the **** up because ya know what, the truth lies somewhere between the two.

This quote is sig worthy.

 

[Bach]

Do you remember when Tony Romo was what was wrong with this team in December? I feel horrible for the guy. Two straight weeks he plays good football, and 2 losses get saddled on him. The thing that truly bothers me is I don't believe we lost to better teams. I think they are about even with us, but we still have gone from in charge of our destiny to the 6th seed with a juggernaut in the horizon coming closer.

I totally agree that this year Romo has done everything he can and has been the least of our problems. He has played within himself, cut down on his erraticness and mistakes and made enough plays to put us in winning situations. I don't know how he'll react the next three games, but so far he's done everything he should be doing to help us win.

I hate December. This decade has sucked. I'm weary of it all.

 

[Hostile]

Isn't the ides of a month the 15th? Pretty sure

No. On the Roman calendar it is the 15th of March, May, July, and October. In the other 8 months it is the 13th.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/ides1.html

 

[Hostile]

right...you're sick of tis decade, yet you still want Garrett to lead us into the next one. Giving 4th and goal to the lead back is like handing this mess over to Garrett. And Jones is dumb enough to do it, which would take us from a touch of hostility to a groping of insanity.

Yes, I do and I feel no need to apologize to you or anyone else for it.

 

[Bach]

When will Jerry be sick enough of losing to step back some and let a real football person come in and change things for the better?

After Jimmy left it took three straight 5-11 seasons before he finally resorted to doing that. But since Parcells only took us from those 5-11 seasons to the 9-7/10-6 range with no playoff wins, Jerry somehow deemed that a failure. Granted, I wanted more to, but BP's way actually got us from the basement back to the playoffs, whereas Jerry's way took us from the penthouse to the basement.

But somehow in Jerry's warped little mind, he actually felt vindicated since Parcells could only get us back to 9-7/10-6 seasons. So instead of replacing Parcells with another quality HC and giving that coach the same power he gave Parcells, Jerry decided to take back full control again, hiring many of the coaching staff including an OC before he even hired his puppet [strike]Defensive coordinator[/strike] Head Coach.

So since the last time Jerry stepped back and handed over some control he deemed it a failure, I don't see him doing it again so readily, despite the fact it is what allowed us to get out of the basement and back into the playoff picture.

But Jerry was more than happy to be back in control and not having to "walk on eggshells" anymore, so I can't see him going that route again anytime soon, even though it'd be the best thing possible for this organization. But screw that. It's.all.about.JERRY.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I feel what you saying Hos. I gotta ride with this team as long as there is a chance that we can win. The lost Sun. along with Ware being taken out on a strecher has made me numb. I know going up to New Orleans and winnning is gonna be a huge mountain to climb, but on Sat. I'm gonna root and yell and maybe we can shock the world.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Nobody wanted Norv when Jerry was interviewing him. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess. If our players lack heart like everyone says, then there is nothing Norv could've done about that. Does anyone think we would be undefeated in December with Norv as our coach?

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

It's sad when I enjoy watching the other games during the day and dread watching my favorite team play. When we can get a hard nose coach that doesn't bow down to the players wants then things might change, but I don't see that happening soon enough. I enjoy this board, but some of the fans on here go to far. We need some new players and some need to go away, but you have to hold the coaches accountable for the situations they put the players in. The people that think Garrett is the answer I will have to disagree. It's not working for him now, why would it then? This team needs some serious discipline. There is my rant. Flame away.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, your post should be published. I think it pretty much captures what every Cowboys fan is feeling right about now -- which is a difficult thing to do with our all-over-the-place bunch.

This is becoming a fitting end to a forgettable decade. A decade where we haven't won a playoff game and saw our old and new homes closed and opened in anguish.

It's sad to think that as Cowboys fans, we could have been placed in a coma for 10 years and essentially not missed a thing.

As for the on-field product, here's my question:

We tend to fall prey to teams with their backs against the wall. You know, they're must win games for them and we walk into a buzz saw, and thus lose.

Why, though, aren't we ever the buzz saw?

Regardless of how good or bad the Cowboys are, teams get up to play them more than almost any other team. It's the whole loved and hated thing. TV coverage, and America's Team. For years I have heard guys talk about it. George Allen lived for it.

In the late 60's, throughout the 70's, early 80's and the 90's Super Bowl years teams still did get up to play the Cowboys, but they just couldn't do much about it.

Every game is almost always going to be like walking into a buzz saw. The only way the Cowboys have ever been the buzz saw is to be nearly unbeatable. We will never have an undefeated team like the Colts and Patriots and Saints because teams will get more fired up to beat the Cowboys. Teams that go against someone with a feeling of awe get run over.

 

[Everson24]

Trends like our December swoons are what causes teams like Cleveland and Detroit to become perennial losers. We have that mentality in December and I'm worried it could soon spread to the other months as well.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nobody wanted Norv when Jerry was interviewing him. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess. If our players lack heart like everyone says, then there is nothing Norv could've done about that. Does anyone think we would be undefeated in December with Norv as our coach?

I don't think our record would be any better or worse with Norv as HC.

They were crappy selections for HC.

I wish we could have had a Different HC with Norv as OC and Wade as DC.

 

[Hostile]

Now is not the time to concede defeat. We have the entire offseason to do that.

We can beat the Saints...we beat an undefeated Indy a few years ago, it’s possible.

But regardless, all the Cowboys have to do is make the playoffs and win a playoff game. That’s all i want...forget the Super Bowl, this is not a Super Bowl team. Let’s just build for next year and winning a playoff game will do that.

I am not conceding. I am just sick of even looking forward to the games. The negativity in here has driven some of my passion for the game right out of me.

 

[Doomsay]

After Jimmy left it took three straight 5-11 seasons before he finally resorted to doing that. But since Parcells only took us from those 5-11 seasons to the 9-7/10-6 range with no playoff wins, Jerry somehow deemed that a failure. Granted, I wanted more to, but BP's way actually got us from the basement back to the playoffs, whereas Jerry's way took us from the penthouse to the basement.

But somehow in Jerry's warped little mind, he actually felt vindicated since Parcells could only get us back to 9-7/10-6 seasons. So instead of replacing Parcells with another quality HC and giving that coach the same power he gave Parcells, Jerry decided to take back full control again, hiring many of the coaching staff including an OC before he even hired his puppet [strike]Defensive coordinator[/strike] Head Coach.

So since the last time Jerry stepped back and handed over some control he deemed it a failure, I don't see him doing it again so readily, despite the fact it is what allowed us to get out of the basement and back into the playoff picture.

But Jerry was more than happy to be back in control and not having to "walk on eggshells" anymore, so I can't see him going that route again anytime soon, even though it'd be the best thing possible for this organization. But screw that. It's.all.about.JERRY.

Jerry will do almost anything to avoid having a bigger and more competent personality than himself in Dallas again. Although seemingly impossible, the vainglorious huckster has become an even bigger ego maniac than the guy that could "coach the Cowboys himself" in the mid 90's. He hated conceding the lime lite to both Parcells and Johnson and probably will not go that route again until his dementia finally gets the better of him and Stephen takes a "greater advisory role".

 

[Everson24]

Fans have a right to be upset. Many of us spend a good deal of money buying tickets, buying merchandise, ect....

We have stayed with the team after a decade and a half of not winning a single playoff game. Think about that, alot of the younger fans on this site have never seen the Cowboys win a postseason game. Many of us have dedicated rooms of our houses to the Cowboys, myself included.

So when the team once again appears to be choking in December, of course fans are going to get upset and want changes. Fans complain and get flustrated because they care about the team!!!!! They want to see the team win and when the team is losing and not doing anything about it (just keep letting Folk miss kick after kick after kick), fans are going to get angry because they dont see how doing the same thing over and over again is going to produce a different result.

The worse thing for the Cowboys would be if fans just became indifferent. Thats because if you dont care, you dont complain. The day fans stop complaining when the team is losing is the day the team will lose a large portion of its fan base.

My son has been a big Cowboys fan since he was six and is now in college. He has never had the pleasure of a playoff win. I'm starting to feel guilty for guiding him toward the Cowboys when he could have been a fan of our hometown Steelers who have won two Super Bowls and numerous playoff games in that span.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I don't know if I understand the comments about "this board going down hill" and "the griping is hurting my ability to enjoy the Cowboys".

The same conversations that occur on this board occur all over the country. When you get a bunch of people whether on a message board, at work, at games or where ever, that care so much about something, you will have extremes on both sides.

The negativity on this board isn't even close to what is was during the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutchinson days.

 

[Hostile]

I don't know if I understand the comments about "this board going down hill" and "the griping is hurting my ability to enjoy the Cowboys".

The same conversations that occur on this board occur all over the country. When you get a bunch of people whether on a message board, at work, at games or where ever, that care so much about something, you will have extremes on both sides.

The negativity on this board isn't even close to what is was during the Quincy Carter/Chad Hutchinson days.

I think it is 100 times worse than in those days.