A Touch of Hostility...Week 16

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RCowboyFan;3762788 said:
I wouldn't be too worried about is comments. He is one of thoser Staunch Ani-Garrett crowd, although he claims he is not.
Anti-Garrett comments don't bother me too much. His comments don't even bother me that much. It's just that I went out of my way to not say anything about being okay with the loss, moral victory, any of that crap. Bam, comment comes back, "proud of fighting back." I never said it. I am so tired of people who want you to know they can't accept losing. I get it that they're feelings are hurt and I honestly, truly feel the deepest sorrow for their pain. Could they just avoid sharing their pain with me? Is that too much to ask?
 

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Hostile;3762932 said:
Anti-Garrett comments don't bother me too much. His comments don't even bother me that much. It's just that I went out of my way to not say anything about being okay with the loss, moral victory, any of that crap. Bam, comment comes back, "proud of fighting back." I never said it. I am so tired of people who want you to know they can't accept losing. I get it that they're feelings are hurt and I honestly, truly feel the deepest sorrow for their pain. Could they just avoid sharing their pain with me? Is that too much to ask?

:laugh2: I guess they have to make sure everyone is suffering with them. ;)
 

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TheCount;3762901 said:
Good post, sounds like fun even with the loss.

I will say one thing though. We did anything but "dominate" the Cardinals. Like Jerry said, "Stats are for losers" and right now, we're definitely losers.
Be there. Feel the emotions of the home team's fans, then tell me we did not dominate them. I didn't even look at the stats when I wrote it. In fact I still haven't looked at them. Bet me we didn't have tons more 1st downs and TOP. Cardinals fans knew they won on fluke plays. Why can't our fans accept this?
 

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RoyTheHammer;3762900 said:
Good effort on usage of smilies in this thread.

Other than that, you're right.. apparently people can watch us lose to a terrible football team and think we put forth a great effort.

We weren't very focused at all these past two games, imo. Sloppy play.

Well Ok then. :rolleyes: There that makes better usage of my smileys for you. Or would this. :mad: Happy now?;)
 

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Hostile;3762642 said:
I want to mention something at this point that is absolutely immaterial to the outcome of the game last night, but that caused me immense pride in our team. During the National Anthem our Dallas Cowboys were in a perfectly straight line on our sideline. Coaches, players, and trainers all at attention, respectful, professional. Cardinals players and coaches on the other hand were all over the place. A couple of players were even milling around instead of showing respect.

Last night I read the comments about Jerry saying his mind is not made up. I honestly believe he is just being coy so that no one can claim he won't have a thorough coaching search. Before the game Garrett comes out with the Specialists and he works with them until the WRs and QBs show up and then he even participates in the passing warm ups with some of the WRs. Later as the team is stretching he mills around them and if he comes by a player they reach out a hand to him. This team likes this guy. They respect this guy. He has instilled in them a sense of the importance of being a Dallas Cowboy and never giving up. Just say no to retreads and stick with the guy who has led this team to a metamorphoses in front of our very eyes.

Im glad he's taught our boys how to line up in a straight line and tie their ties perfectly.. but we have come out against two terrible football teams the past couple weeks and played the way we were playing under Wade. There's no reason either of the games against Washington or Zona should have been even close. Sloppy play and poor execution. Not a good effort these past two. Jury is still out for me, no matter how impressed i was after the first few games under JG.

I don't know what happened to Miles Austin but for a large chunk of the 4th quarter he was on the sidelines and our 3 WR package was Holley, Hurd, and Roy Williams. He came in at a perfect time to make a sweet catch for the go ahead score. It was a beautiful contrast to the first INT where he fell down and it went the other way.

He was on the bench for the majority of the time. That's what happens when you fall down and hang your QB out to dry with a pick 6 and then drop 3 easy passes that hit you perfectly in stride, to add to your NFL leading total of dropped balls. As much as people hate on Roy, we gave Miles an even bigger contract extension and he isn't living up to it at all so far.
 

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Hostile;3762937 said:
Be there. Feel the emotions of the home team's fans, then tell me we did not dominate them. I didn't even look at the stats when I wrote it. In fact I still haven't looked at them. Bet me we didn't have tons more 1st downs and TOP. Cardinals fans knew they won on fluke plays. Why can't our fans accept this?

I'm not sure what you want the fans to accept... that you have to be at a game to understand if a team has a W or L on their record afterwards?
 

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RoyTheHammer;3762941 said:
Im glad he's taught our boys how to line up in a straight line and tie their ties perfectly.. but we have come out against two terrible football teams the past couple weeks and played the way we were playing under Wade.
I knew this response was coming. Just didn't know from who. I am so tired of hearing how miserable the football team makes people.
 

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TheCount;3762958 said:
I'm not sure what you want the fans to accept... that you have to be at a game to understand if a team has a W or L on their record afterwards?
Yeah, that is it exactly. I am sitting around Cardinals fans who were saying we were dominating them except for 3 fluke plays but we didn't dominate them. We "did anything but dominate them," per you. You're right and all of those people are wrong.
 

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Hostile;3763065 said:
Yeah, that is it exactly. I am sitting around Cardinals fans who were saying we were dominating them except for 3 fluke plays but we didn't dominate them. We "did anything but dominate them," per you. You're right and all of those people are wrong.

Usually dominate=win, I think that's how it works.
 

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Hostile;3763062 said:
I knew this response was coming. Just didn't know from who. I am so tired of hearing how miserable the football team makes people.

You expect fans to be happy with how we've played the past couple games?
 

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Hostile;3763065 said:
Yeah, that is it exactly. I am sitting around Cardinals fans who were saying we were dominating them except for 3 fluke plays but we didn't dominate them. We "did anything but dominate them," per you. You're right and all of those people are wrong.

Im not sure what any Cardinals fans were saying, but the only "dominating" i saw was our team getting manhandled in the trenches, OL and DL, yet again.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3763079 said:
You expect fans to be happy with how we've played the past couple games?
I didn't say that. I don't expect fans to read an entire post and focus on a comment about the National Anthem. Maybe that is too much to ask.
 

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birdwells1;3763072 said:
Usually dominate=win, I think that's how it works.

99 out of 100 times Austin doesn't fall down on a route like that. Maybe he used the wrong cleat size, simply just slipped, whatever. That's a fluke play. Don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

Most of the time the extra point is automatic. It's something that most fans typically expect to happen after a TD is scored.

I'm not saying we deserved to win the game. In the end we lost, and we paid for all our mistakes. But to not understand that some of those plays were fluke plays, that's ridiculous.
 

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Hostile;3763084 said:
I didn't say that. I don't expect fans to read an entire post and focus on a comment about the National Anthem. Maybe that is too much to ask.

Didn't focus on it.. it just seemed a little petty to try and take that as a positive. I honestly couldn't care less if our guys are lined up in a straight line for the anthem or not, or how well they can tie their ties. I want to see guys seething to get out and hurt somebody on the football field. I want to see passion, intensity. I haven't seen that the past couple games. We've gone out and played sloppy football. I expect more from this team with Garrett at the helm. With the way we played against teams like the Giants and the Saints, we should have won by a good margain against crappy teams like the Skins and the Cards. Im looking for consistency. Garrett still has something to prove imo.
 

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Woods;3763092 said:
99 out of 100 times Austin doesn't fall down on a route like that. Maybe he used the wrong cleat size, simply just slipped, whatever. That's a fluke play. Don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

Most of the time the extra point is automatic. It's something that most fans typically expect to happen after a TD is scored.

I'm not saying we deserved to win the game. In the end we lost, and we paid for all our mistakes. But to not understand that some of those plays were fluke plays, that's ridiculous.

Actually our players probably slip or fall more than any team in the league, usually on our home field too. I don't know what the deal is but its ridiculous how many times i've seen our team slip or just flat out fall down. I can't imagine what the problem is.. seriously. A new equipment manager should be priority number one this offseason.
 

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Woods;3763092 said:
99 out of 100 times Austin doesn't fall down on a route like that. Maybe he used the wrong cleat size, simply just slipped, whatever. That's a fluke play. Don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

Most of the time the extra point is automatic. It's something that most fans typically expect to happen after a TD is scored.

I'm not saying we deserved to win the game. In the end we lost, and we paid for all our mistakes. But to not understand that some of those plays were fluke plays, that's ridiculous.


All I said was DOMINATE=WIN.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3763094 said:
Didn't focus on it.. it just seemed a little petty to try and take that as a positive.
I love irony. Didn't even read beyond that comment and I won't.
 

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Hostile;3763105 said:
I love irony. Didn't even read beyond that comment and I won't.

Im not sure you understand fully what irony is.. and we both know you read it. If you'd rather not respond as to why Garrett has been inconsistent as our HC, that's perfectly fine.
 

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It was good to meet you, Hos! Despite the final outcome I still had a great time. Too bad you never convinced anyone to bring you food, huh? :laugh2:


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Hostile;3762642 said:
Can you begin now to understand why I hate Kickers? I'm not just talking about Buehler doinking the PAT either. Opposing Kickers rarely if ever miss FGs against us, especially if they are important. Feely's last 2 FGs both barely went over the crossbar.

I am not a Stephen McGee fan, but that kid moved the ball down the field and set up Austin with a perfect pass for what should have been the winning TD. Doink.

No, I do not think this means Buehler is gone this week, or even next year. It means he is a young Kicker learning on the fly and for the second time this year missed a Kick that could have won the game for us. He makes that PAT I do not believe Arizona scores. I have no idea why other than the team was jacked up and that let the air out of the tires.

Nothing else seemed to get this team down. Not the 2 pick 6's. Not Marion Barber inexplicably taking off his helmet after he scored. Nothing. Doinked PAT and a long given up conversion on 4th down and you could feel the L coming.

Okay, I do not like when people blame referees for losses, and I want to stress I am not trying to do that. However, before the game when it was announced that Jeff Triplett was the Referee for this game I said out loud that it concerned me. All night long after I said the Cardinals fan to my right kept saying, "I like Jeff Triplett." This was never more evident than on the overturned Interception. I do not know how it looked to you guys on the TV, but at the stadium on the big video boards there it looked like an INT. Cardinals fans were just about as shocked as Cowboys fans that it was held up as an incomplete pass.

I'll tell you how shocked people were. After the replay finally showed on the video board, the Cowboys OL took the field to get ready for us to have possession. I want to see it for myself, but I swear it looked like he got his hands underneath that ball. I kid you not, all around me Cowboys fan were confident, Cardinals fans were depressed. I said, "that is Jeff Triplett under that hood. He is not going to give us the INT." And he didn't.

Also confusing to me was why there was no 10 second run off after an Offensive Penalty for Illegal Formation. On the way home in a radio interview, one of the Cardinals, I do not know which one, said he almost threw his helmet because he too expected a 10 second run off. Last night I asked AdamJT13 if there should have been, and he said no. So I am a little more calm about that.

Last thing I will say about Triplett. He just comes across as bumbling. On Doug Free's Illegal Procedure penalty he announced that Free was Off Sides. Another example was him insisting Skelton was out of the pocket on the ball he threw out of bounds late. Maybe he doesn't know where the pocket is? It's like he just doesn't quite know what he is doing out there. By far, he is the referee that I just do not trust. I am not blaming him for our loss, but I am not shocked that controversy follows his game.

Okay, I want to say Cowboys fans once again dominated the attendance in Arizona. I am going to say at least 40% of the crowd last night was Cowboys fans. I am extremely pissed off that on McGee's last drive that at least 30 or 40 of them seated in the area where I was, left the game to go home. Cardinals fans were asking me, "where are Cowboys fans going? You can win this game." Embarrassing.

If we had pulled out the win as we should have, those people would have deserved to have missed it.

I want to mention something at this point that is absolutely immaterial to the outcome of the game last night, but that caused me immense pride in our team. During the National Anthem our Dallas Cowboys were in a perfectly straight line on our sideline. Coaches, players, and trainers all at attention, respectful, professional. Cardinals players and coaches on the other hand were all over the place. A couple of players were even milling around instead of showing respect.

I have no doubt whatsoever that this team is in good hands with Jason Garrett. I do not know how the team did this before he was hired, because cameras rarely if ever show this moment before a game. When you combine this kind of expected professionalism with the feeling you get that this team is never out of it while he is the Coach, you get a sense of what the future can bring.

Last night I read the comments about Jerry saying his mind is not made up. I honestly believe he is just being coy so that no one can claim he won't have a thorough coaching search. Before the game Garrett comes out with the Specialists and he works with them until the WRs and QBs show up and then he even participates in the passing warm ups with some of the WRs. Later as the team is stretching he mills around them and if he comes by a player they reach out a hand to him. This team likes this guy. They respect this guy. He has instilled in them a sense of the importance of being a Dallas Cowboy and never giving up. Just say no to retreads and stick with the guy who has led this team to a metamorphoses in front of our very eyes.

There is no way we should have been in position to win this game. You don't recover from 2 pick 6 Interceptions in the 1st quarter. While on that subject can we just say we have paid our allotted number of WR tipped INTs for the decade? I swear, it is more this season than I have ever seen. It is beyond ridiculous.

You don't recover from your starting QB going down and your backup coming in cold. These things are rare. I don't know what happened to Miles Austin but for a large chunk of the 4th quarter he was on the sidelines and our 3 WR package was Holley, Hurd, and Roy Williams. He came in at a perfect time to make a sweet catch for the go ahead score. It was a beautiful contrast to the first INT where he fell down and it went the other way.

I do need to add to my serving of crow about Jon Kitna with eating some about McGee. The kid was shaky a couple of times, but when he needed to come up big, he did just that. If he has to start next week and gets all of the reps this week he can do just fine. He really has improved since pre-season and once again my commentary about our backup QBs bites me in the buns.

Speaking of our QBs. Tony Romo was throwing passes in the pregame and he had some zip on them. He'll be fine next season. I hate that I didn't get to see him play. With him and Dez back next year I feel like the Offense will be okay. I continue to worry about the Defense even though truthfully they allowed one fluke TD and a couple of long FGs. If you look at the stat sheet we dominated the Cardinals, as we should have.

Before the game I was walking around the area where people were tailgating and a Cardinals fan asked me, "are the Cowboys playing today?" I replied, "yeah, but I've never heard of the team they're supposed to be playing." There was a live band called "Loud House" playing on the big lawn at the stadium. They played everything from Dwight Yoakum to ZZ Top to Jimi Hendrix. Prior to the gates opening I ran into JJT and got to talk to him for a short while. We've talked on the phone but this is the first time we'd met.

I am hoarse today. I yelled my fool head off. I talked nonstop. A fellow Zoner (Wisconsin_Cowboys_Fan) bought the 2 tickets I had as extras. Nice guy. His girlfriend was very pretty, even if she was a Cardinals fan. I can forgive her, she is born and raised in Phoenix and they are her home team. Poor girl. It was my first time at the new stadium. I've seen all of my previous games against the Cardinals at Scum Devil stadium. The roof was open and the music was pumping. Nice atmosphere for a game and it is a nice stadium. It's too bad they have to root for a team that wears pajamas.

It was an exciting game, especially at the end where my emotions ran the gamut of every peak and valley. Dread, elation, shock, disappointment, rage, and melancholy. It would have been a perfect ending to my best Christmas ever to pull out a win in the final minutes of the game. Larry Fitzgerald didn't have a single catch until he caught one for 26 yards on 4th and 15 after DeMarcus Ware notched his 77th career sack to tie Greg Ellis on the all time list. It just wasn't meant to be. The fates were against us last night.

Had we won, it would have matched the 56 win total we have against the Giants. If we were to beat Philly next week that would also be 56 wins. It would have been a very nice way to end this pitiful season. I hate when I pay good money to see the Cowboys play and then they lose. Especially to the Cardinals.

I've tried all season to keep the game of football in perspective and last night was no different. It was wonderful having my Mom home for Christmas. 30 miles from home I got a call from my brother and my Mom was taken to the hospital with flu like symptoms. She should be okay, but once again I learn that football is just a game, and though I put a lot of emphasis on it in my life, in the long run it is still a game.

I took a few pictures, and I will try to post them later. I am not good at this stuff so don't get too excited.
 
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