Aaron Rodgers is now 3-18 when trailing entering the fourth quarter

[KJJ]

and the fantasy that football is a one person game lives on....

A QB influences the outcome of games more than any player. Most games especially playoff games come down to the QB having to make a play for their team to win we saw that in the 49ers Saints game. The Packers lived and eventually died off the arm of Aaron Rodgers. They were very dependent on him and became one dimensional much like the 07 Pats did with Brady. Once Brady got contained it was the end of their undefeated season. The Packers rushing game ranked 27th and they ranked dead last in defense but they ended up 15-1 because no one could stop Rodgers. No coincidence that Rodgers 2 weakest games of the 2011 season resulted in Packers losses.

The NFL is a QB driven league we hear it all the time and the numbers QB's put up each week back it up. The most complete team usually ends up winning the SB and the Giants and 49ers are the 2 most complete teams. They can pass the ball, run the ball and they can play defense but in the end the QB does have to be able to get the ball down the field. The last few SB's have been won off the arm of QB's.

 

[ufcrules1]

I agree. In this off season if I walked away with a CB to work with Jenkins and Scandrick I would be happy about it. Not saying we could not use another CB but you only have so many picks and only so much cash to work with and other areas that also must be looked at.

I would certainly not be happy about that. Scandrick is pathetic and Jenkins is always getting hurt. Our secondary has been a joke for years now. It's time to improve in a BIG way. Our offensive line was ranked #13 in the league and our pass defense was ranked 24. Keep that in mind.

 

[ufcrules1]

A QB influences the outcome of games more than any player. Most games especially playoff games come down to the QB having to make a play for their team to win we saw that in the 49ers Saints game. The Packers lived and eventually died off the arm of Aaron Rodgers. They were very dependent on him and became one dimensional much like the 07 Pats did with Brady. Once Brady got contained it was the end of their undefeated season. The Packers rushing game ranked 27th and they ranked dead last in defense but they ended up 15-1 because no one could stop Rodgers. No coincidence that Rodgers 2 weakest games of the 2011 season resulted in Packers losses.

The NFL is a QB driven league we hear it all the time and the numbers QB's put up each week back it up. The most complete team usually ends up winning the SB and the Giants and 49ers are the 2 most complete teams. They can pass the ball, run the ball and they can play defense but in the end the QB does have to be able to get the ball down the field. The last few SB's have been won off the arm of QB's.

Terrific post.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would certainly not be happy about that. Scandrick is pathetic and Jenkins is always getting hurt. Our secondary has been a joke for years now. It's time to improve in a BIG way. Our offensive line was ranked #13 in the league and our pass defense was ranked 24. Keep that in mind.

Yeah go in with 0 CB right or do we magically get all these CB, OL and OLB? I don't care about your dumb ars ranking watch the game sometime, Romo is having to get out of the pocket constantly and you can't run an offense like that.

Yes we have to make improvement CB we also have to add some kind of consistent rush and we have to do better at protecting the QB and opening up holes in the running game. But Dallas is not going to ditch all 3 CB and hope they can find people and eat cap space at the same time.

 

[Doomsday101]

A QB influences the outcome of games more than any player. Most games especially playoff games come down to the QB having to make a play for their team to win we saw that in the 49ers Saints game. The Packers lived and eventually died off the arm of Aaron Rodgers. They were very dependent on him and became one dimensional much like the 07 Pats did with Brady. Once Brady got contained it was the end of their undefeated season. The Packers rushing game ranked 27th and they ranked dead last in defense but they ended up 15-1 because no one could stop Rodgers. No coincidence that Rodgers 2 weakest games of the 2011 season resulted in Packers losses.

The NFL is a QB driven league we hear it all the time and the numbers QB's put up each week back it up. The most complete team usually ends up winning the SB and the Giants and 49ers are the 2 most complete teams. They can pass the ball, run the ball and they can play defense but in the end the QB does have to be able to get the ball down the field. The last few SB's have been won off the arm of QB's.

True but when other areas fail so does the team. No one is saying QB is not important.

 

[ufcrules1]

Yeah go in with 0 CB right or do we magically get all these CB, OL and OLB? I don't care about your dumb ars ranking watch the game sometime, Romo is having to get out of the pocket constantly and you can't run an offense like that.

Yes we have to make improvement CB we also have to add some kind of consistent rush and we have to do better at protecting the QB and opening up holes in the running game. But Dallas is not going to ditch all 3 CB and hope they can find people and eat cap space at the same time.

We can sign a solid CB like Brandon Carr in FA, and then grab a guy like Kirkpatrick with out first pick. We could also grab Nicks in FA as well. Then we can look at some OLB with our 2nd and 3rd picks.

You seem to be over obsessed with our offensive line when we have much bigger problems on this team like the secondary and defensive line. Romo is not Brees or Rogers. Sure we may win a game or 2 more with a solid offensive line but then what happens in the playoffs? We need a well rounded team.. not a team with a top 5 offensive line and a PATHETIC defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

We can sign a solid CB like Brandon Carr in FA, and then grab a guy like Kirkpatrick with out first pick. We could also grab Nicks in FA as well. Then we can look at some OLB with our 2nd and 3rd picks.

You seem to be over obsessed with our offensive line when we have much bigger problems on this team like the secondary and defensive line. Romo is not Brees or Rogers. Sure we may win a game or 2 more with a solid offensive line but then what happens in the playoffs? We need a well rounded team.. not a team with a top 5 offensive line and a PATHETIC defense.

Romo is not brees or Rodgers so that means he should get less protection than they do? :laugh2:

Plain and simple games are won and lost in the trenches yes we have to make imporvement on defense part of that improvement is at CB and some at getting consistent pressure on the opposing teams QB. NY Giants secondary was not great and was abused alot this season then they got all their guys up front on defense back and healthy and their secondary started looking much better.

Offensively Romo is a very good QB regardless of your personal views of him and like any QB he needs to get protection and for the offense to funtion as a whole we need to be better up front on the OL.

 

[Clove]

The same washed up Bobby Carpenter that outsmarted Romo for a pick 6 in the Lions game? He might suck be he is smarter than our QB.

owned. I can't. wait to get my computer out of the shop so I can help you own these poor pathetic football minds.

 

[Doomsday101]

owned. I can't. wait to get my computer out of the shop so I can help you own these poor pathetic football minds.

:laugh2: You outsmart others. Now that is a joke.

 

[KJJ]

I've been watching the Dallas Cowboys' "10 greatest games" on DVD the past few days. And I find it funny that many of the things people rag on here about Romo and the offense were also evident in the games included where Staubach was the QB:

1) Holding the ball too long.

2) Missing open receivers.

3) Bad pass protection.

4) Even poor snapping by the center (see the 1975 Minnesota playoff game).

Now, in each of these games, Staubach made plays to help his team eventually win. But I don't think he would have had a chance if not for the Cowboys' defense keeping them in the games and even setting up good opportunities to score, and the running game taking some of the heat off (as it did in Super Bowl VI).

Point is, without that supporting cast, I don't think many in here would have considered Staubach a great QB. (They would have been wrong, of course.) He would have just been that guy who puts up good numbers but can't lead Dallas to a Super Bowl or title. And realistically, his numbers would have suffered, too.

All QB's need a good supporting cast you won't find one QB in the HOF who didn't have a good supporting cast. A lot of these HOF QB's were able to elevate the play of their teammates that's what made many of them special. Staubach made every player around him better because the Cowboys believed in him and the team never felt they were out of a game with him at QB. The Cowboys could never win a big game until he came along. During Staubach's era in the 70's the game was different than what we see today back then teams were run first pass second. During the 73 season Staubach attempted over 30 passes only once during that season.

He attempted less than 20 passes in 7 of the Cowboys 14 games that season. The Cowboys ran the ball a lot and depended on their defense. Defenses weren't handicapped like they are now with all the rules favoring the passing game and protecting QB's and defenseless receivers. Even good defenses today get shredded by the passing game. Staubach was as good as any QB ever in the clutch that's what made him a Hall of Famer and legend he was a special player. The mistake some fans make is looking back and making comparisons between QB's then and QB's now the game has changed too much to make comparisons.

A lot of FANS here act like Romo has never had the team around him to be successful and that's BS. Sure the team let him down several times this past season but he also let the team down in 2 games. From 06 to 08 he let the team down with turnover after turnover after turnover during Dec/Jan but FANS here seem to ignore that and act like he played as consistently then as he did this past season. Romo's been apart of some good Cowboy teams but he hasn't been able to elevate the play of his teammates in big games like the elite QB's are able to do. Some QB's have the ability to make everyone around them better. Even when their supporting casts changes through the years they're able to continue winning. Staubach won a SB in 77 with a complete different cast of players than he had when he won a SB in 71.

Montana won SB's with a completely different cast of players than he started with in 81. Brady continues winning even though the Pats are a completely different team than the one he started with in 2001. Eli is having success even though he has a completely different set of receivers than he had 4 years ago when the Giants won a SB. The biggest pass Eli ever completed was to an average player who's now out of the league. Romo has had pro bowlers at WR, TE and along the OL during his career. He was part of one of the most prolific offenses in franchise history in 07.

He's been part of some very talented teams that were picked to go to the SB but his game kept melting down late in the season and the team melted down with him. The Packers couldn't win this past season when Rodgers played bad and neither could the Cowboys when Romo played bad. Now that Romo has improved in the money games and isn't turning the ball over left and right the team around him is starting to decline.

 

[KJJ]

True but when other areas fail so does the team. No one is saying QB is not important.

Some act like the QB isn't that important but they're the most vital cog on a team especially in this era and once you stop them their team goes down with them. Most teams are dependent on their QB and those teams only go as far as their QB takes them. The Jets became dependent on Sanchez and he brought them down. He had 9 turnovers in the Jets final 3 games and no surprise they lost all 3 games.

Several teams in the playoffs had poorly ranked defenses which is something we never saw 15-20 years ago. The Packers ended up 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense. NE is in the championship game and they have the 31st ranked defense but they're living and dying off the arm of Brady. Every bad game he had this past season resulted in a Pats loss.

 

[ufcrules1]

Romo is not brees or Rodgers so that means he should get less protection than they do? :laugh2:

No, my point is Rogers and Brees both have excellent offensive lines and both teams have failed... even though they have great lines and ELITE QB'S. They could have possibly gone all the way to the superbowl but they have ELITE QB's that can take them over the top and we don't. Our very good QB with a great offensive line will win us a couple more games but then what? This team needs more help on the defense than the OL. If we don't shore up the defense, we aren't going anywhere... even if we have the best offensive line in football.

 

[ufcrules1]

Some act like the QB isn't that important but they're the most vital cog on a team especially in this era and once you stop them their team goes down with them. Most teams are dependent on their QB and those teams only go as far as their QB takes them. The Jets became dependent on Sanchez and he brought them down. He had 9 turnovers in the Jets final 3 games and no surprise they lost all 3 games.

Several teams in the playoffs had poorly ranked defenses which is something we never saw 15-20 years ago. The Packers ended up 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense. NE is in the championship game and they have the 31st ranked defense but they're living and dying off the arm of Brady. Every bad game he had this past season resulted in a Pats loss.

Exactly right. These QB's have been a big part of carrying their teams. Is Romo as good of a leader as Brees, Rogers, and Brady? At the end of the day, is Romo an ELITE QB? How far would Romo carry us with a top 5 offensive line? As far as Brady, Rogers, and Brees? No, sorry.

 

[Doomsday101]

Some act like the QB isn't that important but they're the most vital cog on a team especially in this era and once you stop them their team goes down with them. Most teams are dependent on their QB and those teams only go as far as their QB takes them. The Jets became dependent on Sanchez and he brought them down. He had 9 turnovers in the Jets final 3 games and no surprise they lost all 3 games.

Several teams in the playoffs had poorly ranked defenses which is something we never saw 15-20 years ago. The Packers ended up 15-1 with the 32nd ranked defense. NE is in the championship game and they have the 31st ranked defense but they're living and dying off the arm of Brady. Every bad game he had this past season resulted in a Pats loss.

Of course they are important but it takes others around them to allow them to do the job they don't do it alone. QB do not go out and make circus catches, they don't take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 80 yard TD and they don't block for themselfs. As important as QB is that QB relys a lot on others around him. As for the Pats yes Brady means a lot to them no question but even with Matt Cassle taking his spot in the 08 season due to injury NE finished 11-5 and while I do agree NE defense has not been great they have managed to produce the 2nd most ints in the NFL only behind GB who forced up 31 ints as a defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, my point is Rogers and Brees both have excellent offensive lines and both teams have failed... even though they have great lines and ELITE QB'S. They could have possibly gone all the way to the superbowl but they have ELITE QB's that can take them over the top and we don't. Our very good QB with a great offensive line will win us a couple more games but then what? This team needs more help on the defense than the OL. If we don't shore up the defense, we aren't going anywhere... even if we have the best offensive line in football.

Dallas has to be better on both sides. Believe it or not defense and offense go hand in hand if your goal is to win it all. I'm not opposed to Dallas making moves on defense I think it is a must I also think we have to do more on the OL so that we become more effective overall on offense, so that in redzone situations we can go out and push the defense back to get in for the TD so what when looking at a 3rd and short we can push the defense back. To be able to give the QB time so that he can make is 2nd and 3rd read and not have to run and try to WR improvising

 

[KJJ]

Of course they are important but it takes others around them to allow them to do the job they don't do it alone. QB do not go out and make circus catches, they don't take a 5 yard pass and turn it into a 80 yard TD and they don't block for themselfs. As important as QB is that QB relys a lot on others around him. As for the Pats yes Brady means a lot to them no question but even with Matt Cassle taking his spot in the 08 season due to injury NE finished 11-5 and while I do agree NE defense has not been great they have managed to produce the 2nd most ints in the NFL only behind GB who forced up 31 ints as a defense.

Naturally it takes others around them that's why Cassel had some success in NE subbing for Brady in 08 but elite QB's are able to elevate the play of their teammates. A great QB can influence the play of their entire team they feed off the play of their QB. Yes Cassel won 11 games because he fit the Pats system but that team didn't even make the playoffs. Cassel's numbers that season paled in comparison to the numbers Brady puts up.

Cassel put up 3693 yards and just 21 TD's his passer rating for the season was only 89.4. The Pats compensated for the loss of Brady by having a strong running game that ranked 6th in 08 and a defense that ranked 10th. They had to do a lot of different things with Cassel at QB and they had to do them well because he wasn't the QB Brady is. The 2011 Pats wouldn't be where they are now with Cassel at QB. NE has the 20th ranked rushing attack and their defense ranks next to last. They would have had to depend on Cassel's arm all season.

 

[Doomsday101]

Naturally it takes others around them that's why Cassel had some success in NE subbing for Brady in 08 but elite QB's are able to elevate the play of their teammates. A great QB can influence the play of their entire team they feed off the play of their QB. Yes Cassel won 11 games because he fit the Pats system but that team didn't even make the playoffs. Cassel's numbers that season paled in comparison to the numbers Brady puts up.

Cassel put up 3693 yards and just 21 TD's his passer rating for the season was only 89.4. The Pats compensated for the loss of Brady by having a strong running game that ranked 6th in 08 and a defense that ranked 10th. They had to do a lot of different things with Cassel at QB and they had to do them well because he wasn't the QB Brady is. The 2011 Pats wouldn't be where they are now with Cassel at QB. NE has the 20th ranked rushing attack and their defense ranks next to last. They would have had to depend on Cassel's arm all season.

To an extent they can elevate they can make believers out of teammates but no matter who that QB is he will only win due to the play of the team. This is why Brees and Rodgers are sitting at home. As I said many time before I don't think Romo is the problem in Dallas.

Is he to the same level as Rodgers or Brees? Maybe not but he is still a damn good QB who needs the same things Rodger and Brees must have to get success.

NO won a SB with Brees he had a big year guess what so did his defense that created turnovers for NO that put the ball back in his hands who came up with the big int to beat Minn and Indy. Brees played great this year but this time around NO defense was not making those plays they were not getting those TO.

Same with Rodgers he played outstanding this season, I think better than he did last year when they won the SB what was the differance? GB defense last year was the 5th ranked defense this season they were able to get ints but they gave up a lot of points

As important as QB is that is not what creates SB, teams are what win SB always have and always will

 

[TellerMorrow34]

and the fantasy that football is a one person game lives on....

Always has and always will.

Its this very fact that shows who actually have the low football IQs.

Some will never get it but the simple truth is teams win championships not QB.

I take nothing away from guys like Rodgers, Brees and Brady. Their individual play is great but they don't win games alone it takes others to make wins happen. Be it a WR making circus catches to OL players who give them the time. It is and always has been a team game, is QB important you bet but it still takes the other 10 guys on offense to make it all happen.

Not even getting into the defensive factor where a teams defense can acutally hold the lead instead of handing it right back to the opponet. Which is the reason guys like Flacco and Smith are still in the post season.

Excellent post and it's so simple to figure out and understand. Yet for some reason we've got so many who don't understand that very simple fact.

He is carrying them? I seem to recall a NY defense that stopped one of the best offense in the league. But I guess their play and the fact that put the ball back in the hands of the offense does not mean a thing? :laugh2:

Yeah it is all Eli. :laugh2:

No. The only team defenses help their team win is when it's in Dallas and the Cowboys win. Cause Romo is not allowed any credit at all unless it's when we lose then they want to make sure that he gets all the credit and blame for the loss.

You've been around here a while now so you should know how that works at this point when it comes to this forum.

I would certainly not be happy about that. Scandrick is pathetic and Jenkins is always getting hurt. Our secondary has been a joke for years now. It's time to improve in a BIG way. Our offensive line was ranked #13 in the league and our pass defense was ranked 24. Keep that in mind.

I'd like to point out that offensive line is made to look better by Romo and his receivers bailing their sorry backsides out a bunch.

If Romo was a statue back there like a Manning or Brady I shudder to think how bad he'd be beaten on every week.

owned. I can't. wait to get my computer out of the shop so I can help you own these poor pathetic football minds.

lol.

Right.


We also can't wait for Dallas to win a Superbowl Championship so that when we're all watching Romo hold the trophy up you're on the internet finding some other forum, for some other team, with a player you can make the obsession of your hate.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Chill out Romo's personal cheerleader.

I met with a popular WR on the team..I actually won a contest where he was giving away 2 tickets and 1k in cash on his twitter account last year. Sat down and ate with him for about an hour and asked him a ton of questions. PM me your email address and I will provide proof that I did in fact meet with him. As far as what we discussed.. well, there is no way for me to prove that.

Sure I might do that cause it would just be cool to know who you met with and all but I'm not exactly sure how that's going to provide me with proof that you actually asked him about Romo as a leader and he told you that there were players who didn't believe it. It's awesome you got to meet someone and won some money. That's amazing.

I'm just supposed to take it at face value that a person I don't know, and very likely will never know, is telling me the truth about a conversation he supposedly had? As you said there is no way to prove that which means, just what I said, you have no proof that your claim is anything more than something you made up.

I mean I met Terry Funk once and he told me that he screwed Stephanie McMahon and that's why he's not well liked in the WWE. I guess because I said it happened it means its true and that's all the proof you need. lol

Come on man. That's not even remotely close to anything that is verifiable. I wouldn't even be able to verify that you actually had dinner and talked with the guy for an hour.

I could take your word for it at face value, as I and all others probably should when it comes to people, but I've learned during my 32 years that believing everything someone tells you isn't the best option in life.

I've said this a million times on here. Everyone needs to step up their game on this team INCLUDING Romo. There are far bigger issues obviously on this team besides Romo.

1. No secondary
2. No pressure from the defensive line
3. Offensive line needs work even though they were ranked #13 this year.
4. Romo giving away games.
5. Coaches have to stop learning on the job.
6. Jerry Jones

This I have no issue with at any level and agree with all of it. This is a far cry, however, from the "It's Romo's fault and he's holding the team back" theory we see on here far to often.

It's hard to apply that to Rodgers and Brees when they've both won SB's and SB MVP's. Both those QB's have accomplished a lot more than Romo and have reached an elite status that Romo is very unlikely to ever reach. The Cowboys have consistently faded in Dec/Jan under Romo since 06 with the exception of the 09 season. As I keep saying Romo is a good QB but he's been unable to elevate the play of his teammates in critical games.

At certain times this past season the Giants looked every bit as mediocre a team as the Cowboys but when Eli plays great he's able to elevate the play of his team. When a team believes in their QB even a QB like Tebow who can't even throw the football consistently can make their entire team better.

Tell me how the way Romo has been playing hasn't been more than enough to elevate the team? Are you really going to try and claim that how good he played this year is still his fault that his defense completely craps the bed in the clutch?

How many times did Romo put the team ahead, or in position to win, this season only to watch the defense completely give it away? Numerous times.

There isn't a whole lot more that Romo, and his offensive team mates for that matter, could have done to help elevate the team only to watch their defense go out there and play like they were still in high school.


I can think of at least 3 or 4 games with the Patriots, both Giants games, and even the Cardinals games where he and the offense put that team in great position to win those games only to watch the defense/special team completely blow it.

At some point those guys have to do their damn jobs as well and they consistently didn't do it.

 

[Stautner]

Seeing the season Romo had on an otherwise horrible team? I like Romo right where he is.

The only people who like Romo where he is instead replacing him with Rodgers are Packer fans. They are happy with Romo in Dallas and Rodgers in GB.