According to our favorite source, WR Matt Jones may be looking for a home

[iceberg]

Again, I think calling Jones a 'turd' is not only harsh, but it's also misinformed and inaccurate.

Despite any questions about him, his numbers clearly show that he's better at this point than Hurd, Austin, or Stanback.

And to me that shows that he would be an improvement for this team.

how? if he can't get shots at the ball cause drew and taylor take all the reps, where will help us after

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for our "main" targets?

add in bennett now at TE we took because of his potential, there's another target. crayton would still be #2 and we've invested a year in the growth of stanback.

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and then add our rookie in the mix in choice but he'll likely sit unless an injury comes about.

he can't make it with 2 players above him who hog the ball, and that's solid logic. but that he will come in and help a team by replacing players who never get the ball anyway for the same reason?

other than getting a thrill of seeing another JONES you like in a cowboys uni, i just can't see him making even the same contributions he did in jacksonville here for the same reasons all the players you can he would beat can't get the ball.

to me it just seems like circular logic due to facination with a player.

 

[dargonking999]

I don't think we should waste a draft pick on him. If he gets cut, and none of the receivers have shown up during the TC and pre-season then yea we should go after him. But if Stanback and Hurd improve drastically then there is no reason to waste money we could spend on Canty/Hamlin/Ware.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry if that came of as attacking or insulting, that wasn't my intent.

I apologize if it seemed that way.

I guess it's frustration due to some merely writing this guy off and not looking at the entire picture.

It's fine if someone is against trading for him. I can understand that. I only ask that someone take a look at the complete picture before they make up their mind.

Again, sorry if my post seemed to be attacking. That wasn't the intent.

i was smiling and kidding around - to me we're nowhere near duking it out or getting insulting. just saying how i see the whole matt jones things.

i've looked at the entire picture and to me it simply doesn't add up for the reasons i put hopefully in more detail on my last post. i understand you like him and maybe he could well come in and make a mark and do some good. i don't think anyone would object to that happening, i just think not many people believe it would. 1st he would have to get to dallas (and i don't think jones will swap #4 or #5 wr's or he'd have drafted someone) and then he'd have a world of proven talent and recentely drafted talent to get around to even sniff the ball.

maybe jones could do well in another area with another team. very likely. but i don't see dallas being that team that could give him that opportunity.

again, sorry for seeming like i thought i was "under attack" by you. hell, most of the time my own views *i* consider insane. : ) it's all good on my end and i hope i'm not crossing any lines on your end.

 

[Stash]

how? if he can't get shots at the ball cause drew and taylor take all the reps, where will help us after

barber
jones
witten
to

for our "main" targets?

add in bennett now at TE we took because of his potential, there's another target. crayton would still be #2 and we've invested a year in the growth of stanback.

barber
jones
witten
to
crayton
bennett

and then add our rookie in the mix in choice but he'll likely sit unless an injury comes about.

he can't make it with 2 players above him who hog the ball, and that's solid logic. but that he will come in and help a team by replacing players who never get the ball anyway for the same reason?

other than getting a thrill of seeing another JONES you like in a cowboys uni, i just can't see him making even the same contributions he did in jacksonville here for the same reasons all the players you can he would beat can't get the ball.

to me it just seems like circular logic due to facination with a player.

I see it differently as I think comparing the offenses in Jacksonville and Dallas is like apples and oranges.

Jacksonville runs a basic "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense while Dallas has more of a "stretch the field" approach.

People talk up Garrard's few interceptions, but fail to mention his low TD total as well.

Simply put, the Jags aren't a great passing team.

 

[dargonking999]

I see it differently as I think comparing the offenses in Jacksonville and Dallas is like apples and oranges.

Jacksonville runs a basic "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense while Dallas has more of a "stretch the field" approach.

People talk up Garrard's few interceptions, but fail to mention his low TD total as well.

Simply put, the Jags aren't a great passing team.

Thats my biggest gripe with the Hype of Garrad, yes he doesn't throw alot of INT's, but he also doesn't throw for alot yards, or TD's. Plus is AVG isn't that high last i checked (somewhere around 6 YPA)

 

[Stash]

I don't think we should waste a draft pick on him. If he gets cut, and none of the receivers have shown up during the TC and pre-season then yea we should go after him. But if Stanback and Hurd improve drastically then there is no reason to waste money we could spend on Canty/Hamlin/Ware.

I think by then it would be too late, and I doubt he would reach Dallas' waiver claim as well.

Jones would need at least a training camp to learn the offense and get some much-needed coaching.

After then, it's too late.

And what "money would be wasted"?

Jones' salary is less than $700,000.00, a pittance by NFL standards.

"If Hurd and Stanback improve drastically"?

Sorry, but I wouldn't feel great putting all my eggs in that basket.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think Matt Jones will add size and speed at the WR position.

Either he plays in the slot or opposite TO either way it going to be good to have him. His YPC average is ridic.

 

[dargonking999]

I think by then it would be too late, and I doubt he would reach Dallas' waiver claim as well.

Jones would need at least a training camp to learn the offense and get some much-needed coaching.

After then, it's too late.

And what "money would be wasted"?

Jones' salary is less than $700,000.00, a pittance by NFL standards.

"If Hurd and Stanback improve drastically"?

Sorry, but I wouldn't feel great putting all my eggs in that basket.

I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket, but i woudl rther give our guys a chance, before i spend my time on a player who didn't make it on another team.

 

[Stash]

i was smiling and kidding around - to me we're nowhere near duking it out or getting insulting. just saying how i see the whole matt jones things.

i've looked at the entire picture and to me it simply doesn't add up for the reasons i put hopefully in more detail on my last post. i understand you like him and maybe he could well come in and make a mark and do some good. i don't think anyone would object to that happening, i just think not many people believe it would. 1st he would have to get to dallas (and i don't think jones will swap #4 or #5 wr's or he'd have drafted someone) and then he'd have a world of proven talent and recentely drafted talent to get around to even sniff the ball.

maybe jones could do well in another area with another team. very likely. but i don't see dallas being that team that could give him that opportunity.

again, sorry for seeming like i thought i was "under attack" by you. hell, most of the time my own views *i* consider insane. : ) it's all good on my end and i hope i'm not crossing any lines on your end.

Not at all, all is good.

I just didn't want my comments to be misunderstood as an attack.

This is a subject I'm (obviously) very interested in and I welcome any opinion on the subject, even if it directly opposes my own.

Regarding your stance, again I think the two teams' offenses are markedly different and I think Jones would have a much better chance to contribute in Dallas' offense.

I'm worried because this team has verry little established talent behind Owens and Crayton and I would feel better if they added someone with NFL experience.

And I would be open to the suggestion of another available player if anyone has one.

I've seen a lot of criticism and condemnation of this idea with few intelligent alternatives.

 

[Stash]

I'm not putting all my eggs in that basket, but i woudl rther give our guys a chance, before i spend my time on a player who didn't make it on another team.

Sure sounds that way.

And again, Jones' "not making it" numbers are better than those of Hurd, Austin, and Stanback combined.

 

[dbair1967]

And yet he still had better overall numbers than Hurd, Austin, and Stanback combined?

Austin hardly played at WR and Stanback played none, so you arnt really making much of a comparison there...Jones played alot mroe than all 3 of them combined but barely had better numbers than Sam Hurd did

Funny how reality says differently.

and funny how the reality is the guy still just stinks

Unlike you, I could bear to part with the 'great Miles Austin' and his '5 career catches' for Matt Jones instead.

Again, he's hardly played...he was a developmental guy...but last yr when he did get on the field at WR he did show explosive speed and quickness, and showed he could get open...he dropped a couple of catchable balls vs Washington...he works his tail off and can play special teams, traits Jones doesnt have or show

David

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm still on Stash's side on this one.

One thing to remember -- we all know Jerry has better Arkansas connections than anyone. Matt's dad was (probably still is) a coach in Fort Smith, and I'd bet good money that Jerry knows him pretty well. Jerry should be able to figure out through talking to him as well as former coaches there whether Jones could ever be reached as far as motivation goes. If the word is that Matt just really doesn't like football and never will, forget it. But if the word is that he's grown up a little and is starting to learn what it means to be a pro -- as well as figuring out that there's no other way to make this kind of money -- then why not?

I think some people believe Jones has to be a total boom or a total bust. But it's possible for him to be underachieving relative to his talent -- which he definitely is -- but still able to contribute to the team as a 2nd or 3rd WR.

Jax has certainly had some good teams, but who knows, maybe being around our group of exceptionally hard-working players would rub off on a guy like Jones.

 

[dargonking999]

Sure sounds that way.

And again, Jones' "not making it" numbers are better than those of Hurd, Austin, and Stanback combined.

Jones has also played in more games then all of those guys. He was also a 1st round draft choice. And to boot, he wasn't playing behind Terrell Owens and Glenn/Crayton

He was the #1/2 WR every season. So to compare the two, is silly. Now a trade of Glenn for Jones, i could go for, and can see reasoning behind. But if Glenn comes to play, and Stanback and Hurd show something in the TC, Jones is just a waste of money.

 

[DFWJC]

Matt Jones, WR Monday 5/26, 4:12 PM CT

Following up on an earlier report, it's been confirmed by RotoTimes sources that unless former first-round pick Matt Jones does something he hasn't done in his first three professional training camps, the Jacksonville organization plans to release him.

Our View: Jones, selected by Jaguars in first-round (21st pick overall) of 2005 NFL draft, was a reach to begin with. The college quarterback was drafted for his gifted physical skills and positioned as a wide receiver for his first three years as a pro.

Uh oh...you had to post it. Here goes another Matt Jones drama/debate by all of the same actors.:bang2:

 

[Stash]

And yet he still had better overall numbers than Hurd, Austin, and Stanback combined?

Austin hardly played at WR and Stanback played none, so you arnt really making much of a comparison there...Jones played alot mroe than all 3 of them combined but barely had better numbers than Sam Hurd did

Sorry, but if the players are being compared for roster spot and contribution purposes, then their numbers should be compared as well. It's all or nothing, not just the parts someone likes.

and funny how the reality is the guy still just stinks

Only in your narrow mind. You see what you choose to see and try to disregard all fact that says otherwise. You don't like him or the idea? Fine. I can respect that, just don't try to distirt reality to backup your opinion.

Again, he's hardly played...he was a developmental guy...but last yr when he did get on the field at WR he did show explosive speed and quickness, and showed he could get open...he dropped a couple of catchable balls vs Washington...he works his tail off and can play special teams, traits Jones doesnt have or show

Oh, so we'll keep him because "he works his tail off"?

Not so great if the "receiver" can't actually "catch the ball".

Jones also shows "explosive speed and quickness" and he's actually made plays other than drawing a pass interference call.

Miles Austin has shown nothing to indicate that he's an NFL recievr on any level. He's gotten a pass thus far because he returned kicks. The team has better options there, so his time is up.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm still on Stash's side on this one.

Myself as well -- that Arkansas connection is strong -- just look how Jerry apparently went off his draft board in favor of a Razorback.

 

[Stash]

Jones has also played in more games then all of those guys. He was also a 1st round draft choice. And to boot, he wasn't playing behind Terrell Owens and Glenn/Crayton

Exactly, so he has that much more experience at this point. Is he a finished product? No. But he's a more experienced alternative.

He was a 1st rounder because Jacksonville reached on him because of his physical skills - that's the Jaguars fault for that.

He was the #1/2 WR every season. So to compare the two, is silly. Now a trade of Glenn for Jones, i could go for, and can see reasoning behind. But if Glenn comes to play, and Stanback and Hurd show something in the TC, Jones is just a waste of money.

If he was the #1/#2 receiver, how come he had about 4 starts? The #1 and #2 receivers are starters.

You hope for Glenn to play, I'm being a realist and moving on. I'm not interested in another year of the waiting game - and apparently the Cowboys aren't either.

And you can count on Stanback, I won't make that mistake. I'll treat anything he brings as a bonus.

 

[aikemirv]

A 6th or 7th rounder is a no brainer. With his size and speed he is definately worth a change of scenery outlook.

 

[Stash]

A 6th or 7th rounder is a no brainer. With his size and speed he is definately worth a change of scenery outlook.

That's essentially all I'm talking about!

 

[Stash]

I think some people believe Jones has to be a total boom or a total bust. But it's possible for him to be underachieving relative to his talent -- which he definitely is -- but still able to contribute to the team as a 2nd or 3rd WR.

Right.

It's the same all or nothing mentality that fuels the Roy Williams debates. It's got to be completely one way or completely the other - no middle ground allowed.

Jax has certainly had some good teams, but who knows, maybe being around our group of exceptionally hard-working players would rub off on a guy like Jones.

Right, but the Jags are what they are - a team that runs the ball and plays great defense.

Again, if it's only Matt Jones struggling at receiver, that's all on him. But that's not the case. Receivers who have played the position for their entire careers are struggling there as well. There's got to be more to blame that simply Matt Jones.