According to our favorite source, WR Matt Jones may be looking for a home

[dargonking999]

Exactly, so he has that much more experience at this point. Is he a finished product? No. But he's a more experienced alternative.

He was a 1st rounder because Jacksonville reached on him because of his physical skills - that's the Jaguars fault for that.



If he was the #1/#2 receiver, how come he had about 4 starts? The #1 and #2 receivers are starters.

You hope for Glenn to play, I'm being a realist and moving on. I'm not interested in another year of the waiting game - and apparently the Cowboys aren't either.

And you can count on Stanback, I won't make that mistake. I'll treat anything he brings as a bonus.

Ok except this year, and the only reason that was, is because he was throwing a hissy fit, and Del Rio put his whinny behind on the bench.

And until Glenn is written off, i'm not going to write him off.

 

[iceberg]

Not at all, all is good.

I just didn't want my comments to be misunderstood as an attack.

This is a subject I'm (obviously) very interested in and I welcome any opinion on the subject, even if it directly opposes my own.

Regarding your stance, again I think the two teams' offenses are markedly different and I think Jones would have a much better chance to contribute in Dallas' offense.

I'm worried because this team has verry little established talent behind Owens and Crayton and I would feel better if they added someone with NFL experience.

And I would be open to the suggestion of another available player if anyone has one.

I've seen a lot of criticism and condemnation of this idea with few intelligent alternatives.

maybe there just are no intelligent alternatives at this point. jones has said he didn't draft someone just because he wanted to see what our younger people could do. replacing hurd at #4 w/another #4 just won't make much of a difference to this team as i see it.

 

[joseephuss]

Thats my biggest gripe with the Hype of Garrad, yes he doesn't throw alot of INT's, but he also doesn't throw for alot yards, or TD's. Plus is AVG isn't that high last i checked (somewhere around 6 YPA)

Yds/Pass Att 2007
1. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 8.3
2. Tony Romo* · DAL 8.1
3. Peyton Manning* · IND 7.8
Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 7.8
Brett Favre* · GNB 7.8
Matt Schaub · HOU 7.8
7. David Garrard · JAX 7.7

Yds/Pass Cmp 2007
1. Derek Anderson* · CLE 12.7
2. Tony Romo* · DAL 12.6
3. Kurt Warner · ARI 12.2
4. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 12.1
David Garrard · JAX 12.1

Passing TD % 2007
1. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 8.7%
2. Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 7.9%
3. Tony Romo* · DAL 6.9%
4. Sage Rosenfels · HOU 6.3%
5. Peyton Manning* · IND 6.0%
Kurt Warner · ARI 6.0%
7. David Garrard · JAX 5.5%

 

[Stash]

Ok except this year, and the only reason that was, is because he was throwing a hissy fit, and Del Rio put his whinny behind on the bench.

Can you post an example of said "hissy fit"?

A link or something that shows that Matt Jones went off on Del Rio so I can see the error of my ways. If that is actually the case, then I'll call the whole "campaign" off.

And until Glenn is written off, i'm not going to write him off.

And that's certainly your prerogative. If you'd like a repeat of 2007 or to hold out hope that he'll contribute anything, feel free.

I wouldn't and I have moved on.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, but if the players are being compared for roster spot and contribution purposes, then their numbers should be compared as well. It's all or nothing, not just the parts someone likes.

but you're using the parts you like to compare - such as our wr's jones "outperformed".

that's the part i don't think you get/see.

 

[Stash]

maybe there just are no intelligent alternatives at this point. jones has said he didn't draft someone just because he wanted to see what our younger people could do. replacing hurd at #4 w/another #4 just won't make much of a difference to this team as i see it.

I didn't hear Jones say that. I heard that he didn't feel that any of this years' receivers were worthy.

Again, if someone would answer.

If Matt Jones would be the #4 here, who are the Top 3?

It's a question people avoid like the plague because nobody wants to go on record that they're actually counting on Terry Glenn.

 

[iceberg]

I'm still on Stash's side on this one.

One thing to remember -- we all know Jerry has better Arkansas connections than anyone. Matt's dad was (probably still is) a coach in Fort Smith, and I'd bet good money that Jerry knows him pretty well. Jerry should be able to figure out through talking to him as well as former coaches there whether Jones could ever be reached as far as motivation goes. If the word is that Matt just really doesn't like football and never will, forget it. But if the word is that he's grown up a little and is starting to learn what it means to be a pro -- as well as figuring out that there's no other way to make this kind of money -- then why not?

I think some people believe Jones has to be a total boom or a total bust. But it's possible for him to be underachieving relative to his talent -- which he definitely is -- but still able to contribute to the team as a 2nd or 3rd WR.

Jax has certainly had some good teams, but who knows, maybe being around our group of exceptionally hard-working players would rub off on a guy like Jones.

people overrate the arkansas connection. how long did it take for jones to even draft someone from arkansas? people seem to use that connection when it suits an argument they're for, but don't look at the fact that jones has drafted only 1 razerback and i think only 1 FA from arkansas ever came here.

it's an overrated connection.

 

[iceberg]

I didn't hear Jones say that. I heard that he didn't feel that any of this years' receivers were worthy.

Again, if someone would answer.

If Matt Jones would be the #4 here, who are the Top 3?

It's a question people avoid like the plague because nobody wants to go on record that they're actually counting on Terry Glenn.

well we know TO and Crayton. Glenn is still undecided. so #4 unless you start speculating.

i have answered. you just don't like my answers cause i don't feel matt jones would be a legit threat or add more value than what we have.

we've got at WR right now:
TO - lock
glenn - undecided
Crayton - lock

then:
stanback - lock unless he's still injured. we've heard rave reviews about him.
hurd - we've got time invested in his potential and in limited playing time, he's performed. he can't do more cause of the crowd ahead of him.
that other kid we picked up as a FA that we're told we "stole".
austin is still around.

there's 4 "potentials" right there after our 3 starters. to me you're wanting to replace "your" potential because of your like for the player. i have no real like or dislike for jones or any of our #4 and beyond WRs.

but we do have time into them to learn the system.

if glenn goes that's still 5 players w/o austin in the mix.

you can say he's outperformed hurd austin and stanback and great. those are all #4 and beyond WRs *today*. matt jones is about to get cut from jacksonville, not a hotbed of valid WR activity. you wanna blame the QB cause it helps your cause, i see a QB on the rise who got paid to show for it.

the twists and turns you take all lead back to jones, so i don't see an "unbias" tone from you. it's someone doesn't understand, someone isn't seeing the whole picture - it's always an issue with someone elses views - and maybe you've said it but it got lost in the jones pom poms, but i don't see you ever try to see where jones simply wouldn't do well here.

for receiving threats, we've got TO, Crayton and Witten. for that alone he's now #4 just to catch the ball. if stanback can take the field, he's done well. so's our welker clone. he'd be in the mix with those and frankly, i want to see what these players can do vs give an opportunity to someone who didn't make the most of their last one and has had to 'grow up' a little.

 

[Verdict]

I'm not sure that Matt Jones will ever be successful as a true receiver. He might be able to excel as a tight end though. I think his body type is more suitable as a tight end.

There is one thing that terrifies me about Matt Jones coming to the Cowboys which is: Posters here will constantly refer him to MaJo or similar names. Ha Ha.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

people overrate the arkansas connection. how long did it take for jones to even draft someone from arkansas? people seem to use that connection when it suits an argument they're for, but don't look at the fact that jones has drafted only 1 razerback and i think only 1 FA from arkansas ever came here.

it's an overrated connection.

I didn't say Jerry would go for him just because he went to Arkansas. I said Jerry's UA connections would let him find out the inside scoop on Matt's attitude.

Big difference.

 

[iceberg]

Yds/Pass Att 2007
1. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 8.3
2. Tony Romo* · DAL 8.1
3. Peyton Manning* · IND 7.8
Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 7.8
Brett Favre* · GNB 7.8
Matt Schaub · HOU 7.8
7. David Garrard · JAX 7.7

Yds/Pass Cmp 2007
1. Derek Anderson* · CLE 12.7
2. Tony Romo* · DAL 12.6
3. Kurt Warner · ARI 12.2
4. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 12.1
David Garrard · JAX 12.1

Passing TD % 2007
1. Tom Brady*+ · NWE 8.7%
2. Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 7.9%
3. Tony Romo* · DAL 6.9%
4. Sage Rosenfels · HOU 6.3%
5. Peyton Manning* · IND 6.0%
Kurt Warner · ARI 6.0%
7. David Garrard · JAX 5.5%

so part of stashes argument is that the qb held the wrs back.
part of another addon to that was drew and taylor.

so, we have garrad putting up top 10 numbers for a qb. not bad for a year and a half roughly. qb seems ok.

we have barber and now jones for our tandem backfield. so if that were the case, jones would get lost here under that excuse.

only the tandem backfield meant they would run more, cutting into jones chances to catch the ball.

ok, but so would that backfield coupled with TO and Witten alone. now crayton. the rest can be valid speculation but that still makes him at best a #4 receiving threat and even lower of felix jones does that more often.

jones may be the best potential out there but i still see "turd". or 3rd tier if you'd prefer that verbiage. him being the best is more a signal there's nothing there than he's any good.

 

[iceberg]

I didn't say Jerry would go for him just because he went to Arkansas. I said Jerry's UA connections would let him find out the inside scoop on Matt's attitude.

Big difference.

fair enough. but since i've never heard of jones being remotely interested in matt jones, i'll let that tell me what this inside info would be.

 

[aikemirv]

I will just say this. If I am a defensive coordinator in the NFL I would be much more worried about single covering a 4.4 speed guy who is 6'6" than I would single covering a guy 6"0 who does not have speed to scare anyone - you can apply that to Crayton or HUrd if you want to. Austin has shown me very little as a WR

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not sure that Matt Jones will ever be successful as a true receiver. He might be able to excel as a tight end though. I think his body type is more suitable as a tight end.

The trouble is one of the reasons he's been in the doghouse is that he hates to block and doesn't like going over the middle ... not exactly qualifications you look for in a TE.

That's one of the reasons Jacksonville just deactivated him for games. He doesn't run block, doesn't play special teams, doesn't like to go over the middle. I think it's widely accepted now he's never going to be the "white Randy Moss" like people were hyping when he was coming out of the draft. But for a supporting WR he has so many "can't/wont do's" that he's marginalized himself to point that it's hard to even justify activating him for games.

 

[iceberg]

I will just say this. If I am a defensive coordinator in the NFL I would be much more worried about single covering a 4.4 speed guy who is 6'6" than I would single covering a guy 6"0 who does not have speed to scare anyone - you can apply that to Crayton or HUrd if you want to. Austin has shown me very little as a WR

so you go for speed stats. if that were the driving force behind his success or lack thereof, why would it equate to success here? if having the 4.4 on a 6'6" dude was magic, jacksonville would keep him and this would be a moot discussion.

must take a bit more, huh?

 

[aikemirv]

so you go for speed stats. if that were the driving force behind his success or lack thereof, why would it equate to success here? if having the 4.4 on a 6'6" dude was magic, jacksonville would keep him and this would be a moot discussion.

must take a bit more, huh?

Sure it does but Jax does not have Witten and TO on the other side and forcing teams to single cover the other side. That is the only weakness in our offense IMO (consistency of the #2 WR to get open)

Would Matt Jones be able to do that? it is definitely worth a 6th or a 7th to find out.

You cannot even start to compare stats of Crayton to Jones because of the other weapons we have.

 

[Stash]

so part of stashes argument is that the qb held the wrs back.
part of another addon to that was drew and taylor.

so, we have garrad putting up top 10 numbers for a qb. not bad for a year and a half roughly. qb seems ok.

Sorry, but I have never blamed quarterback play for Jones/ situation. I sure wouldn't put it in the plus column, but I never used it as an excuse for Jones.

we have barber and now jones for our tandem backfield. so if that were the case, jones would get lost here under that excuse.

only the tandem backfield meant they would run more, cutting into jones chances to catch the ball.

ok, but so would that backfield coupled with TO and Witten alone. now crayton. the rest can be valid speculation but that still makes him at best a #4 receiving threat and even lower of felix jones does that more often.

I still don't see the connection you're trying to make since Dallas' and Jacksonville's offensive schemes are about as different as you can get.

jones may be the best potential out there but i still see "turd". or 3rd tier if you'd prefer that verbiage. him being the best is more a signal there's nothing there than he's any good.

That's a glass half empty way of looking at it, but I would say at this point that Matt Jones is one of the better realistic options.

 

[DFWJC]

I see it differently as I think comparing the offenses in Jacksonville and Dallas is like apples and oranges.

Jacksonville runs a basic "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense while Dallas has more of a "stretch the field" approach.

People talk up Garrard's few interceptions, but fail to mention his low TD total as well.

Simply put, the Jags aren't a great passing team.

I agree that the Cowboys offense was more wide open last year. Jax played to its strength and was 2nd in the NFL in rushing.

You miss the point entirely if you even mention Garrard. Even with the conservative game plan (due to having great RBs and average WRs) the Jax passing game was right in the middle of the pack in the NFL. Garrard passed for 2500 yard in only 11 games (so maybe 3600 and 26 TDs in a full season) while running a vanilla offense w/ average WRs and no true #1 WR. The guy played great.

Oh yeah, and even with the conservative offense the average pass play was 7.7 yds (vs 8.1 yards for Romo).

 

[Stash]

Sure it does but Jax does not have Witten and TO on the other side and forcing teams to single cover the other side. That is the only weakness in our offense IMO (consistency of the #2 WR to get open)

Would Matt Jones be able to do that? it is definitely worth a 6th or a 7th to find out.

You cannot even start to compare stats of Crayton to Jones because of the other weapons we have.

Trust me, that doesn't stop anyone.

The numbers are fine to use to talk-up Crayton, but the flip-side is apparently a weak excuse for defending Jones.

 

[DFWJC]

Jerry Porter Injuries Achilles...

Wow! According to the Jags board members, WR Jerry Porter has suffered an Achilles injury but the extent is unknown from what they are saying.

There are reports that they may cut Matt Jones but may keep him around if Porter's injury keeps him out for a long period of time.

I hear the Porter injury issue is minor. I also heard that Mike Williams dropped a ton of wieght and is pushing the Jax WRs and also that "DJuan Woods is looking better than Jones so far. Both are big, athletic targets but one has a better attitude and is much hungrier.

FWIW, I still think Jones has potential if he can get out of the dog house.