Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[esloan]

I agree. It will be interesting to see what the real price was.
Of course it could be a smokescreen designed to get the price down...I don't think it is though. I didn't think Stephen Jones plays these games.

It will be real interesting to see what they do in the draft....the current backfield doesn't look strong enough to allow us to dominate with the run the way we have. Jason Garrett made a reference to needing someone to get us the tough yards....not sure who in this draft would be that guy....McFadden hasn't been that player.

If McFadden can show even a bit of the talent he once had behind this line and we can get a rookie who doesn't totally bust, we might have a better corp of back than we had last year. I don't think any one back is going to do what Murray did last year but I think McFadden or Williams, coupled with a solid rookie can combine to get close.

 

[gimmesix]

If reports are accurate that they have been offered a second round draft pick, I really hope most of you are backing off this. A second round pick for a 30 year old RB is crazy.

I draw the line at a third because of his age and wear and tear. I think if you give up anything higher you're giving up a good shot at starter for a short-term rental, and that's too much. Let someone else make that move even if it means they get top-notch production out of Peterson for a couple of years.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I think he is just bluffing. He tries to get the price down.

He may very well be. But I dont think he is.

Every decision is only smart if it works. Most in the NFL are saying that giving up a lot for Peterson is not a good idea. I am sure, if the price was low enough, that the Cowboys would have jumped at it. Its fairly clear that the price is too high.

not according to Stephen Jones. He said he wont be giving up ANY picks for veteran players....

And I am not sure what you mean by "a lot"

 

[gimmesix]

If McFadden can show even a bit of the talent he once had behind this line and we can get a rookie who doesn't totally bust, we might have a better corp of back than we had last year. I don't think any one back is going to do what Murray did last year but I think McFadden or Williams, coupled with a solid rookie can combine to get close.

That's a big if, though. We're talking about a back who was consistently in the 3.4 range the past three years and then the almost 50-50 chance of picking the right rookie. (60 percent in the first round, 40 or lower in the second)

It's going to take some great scouting (both in the pros and in the draft) and some luck for us to come away with combination that's better than what we had last year in Murray.

Of course, I don't think better than an 1,800-yard back with a 4.7 average is a realistic goal. I just want the running game to be able to carry its share of the load.

 

[esloan]

He may very well be. But I dont think he is.



not according to Stephen Jones. He said he wont be giving up ANY picks for veteran players....

And I am not sure what you mean by "a lot"

I defined a "lot" earlier in the thread but, since the thread is ridiculously long, I will do it again:

a. More than a third round pick. Maybe even a fourth round pick depending on the contract that AP agrees to before the trade.

b. More than 3 years at more than $5-6 million per with very little guaranteed.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I defined a "lot" earlier in the thread but, since the thread is ridiculously long, I will do it again:

a. More than a third round pick. Maybe even a fourth round pick depending on the contract that AP agrees to before the trade.

b. More than 3 years at more than $5-6 million per with very little guaranteed.

yeah. Thats not going to get you Adrian Peterson in any market....

But fair enough.

 

[esloan]

That's a big if, though. We're talking about a back who was consistently in the 3.4 range the past three years and then the almost 50-50 chance of picking the right rookie. (60 percent in the first round, 40 or lower in the second)

It's going to take some great scouting (both in the pros and in the draft) and some luck for us to come away with combination that's better than what we had last year in Murray.

Of course, I don't think better than an 1,800-yard back with a 4.7 average is a realistic goal. I just want the running game to be able to carry its share of the load.

I agree it is a gamble but the gamble really started when they declined to match the Eagles offer for Murray not when they decided the price for Peterson was too high.

If this rookie class was not so stocked with RBs I would be much more worried than I am now. Our scouts have done a pretty stellar job and our offensive line is good enough to make up for some of that rookie learning curve. I have said it before, I think whatever rookie walks in here this season will be the odds on favorite for rookie of the year. It is the perfect situation for a rookie RB to come into.

 

[esloan]

yeah. Thats not going to get you Adrian Peterson in any market....

But fair enough.

I understand. I simply would not give Peterson any more than what we were offering Murray.

 

[phildadon86]

Not sure if he is referring to jones statement as winning or if he's saying they are winning the battle to land him

 

[pancakeman]

Not sure if he is referring to jones statement as winning or if he's saying they are winning the battle to land him

I'd guess the implication is Jerry wants to sign the big-splash star and his underlings are talking him out of it so far.

But it's Fisher so it's probably intentionally ambiguous, so it's harder to pin him down as wrong.

 

[pansophy]

I understand. I simply would not give Peterson any more than what we were offering Murray.

Exactly, and that's why I don't think we ever had any interest in trading for AP.

 

[phildadon86]

I'd guess the implication is Jerry wants to sign the big-splash star and his underlings are talking him out of it so far.

But it's Fisher so it's probably intentionally ambiguous, so it's harder to pin him down as wrong.

I highly doubt that's what he was getting at.

 

[YosemiteSam]

He's fat

 

[JoeBoBBY]

That's a big if, though. We're talking about a back who was consistently in the 3.4 range the past three years and then the almost 50-50 chance of picking the right rookie. (60 percent in the first round, 40 or lower in the second)

It's going to take some great scouting (both in the pros and in the draft) and some luck for us to come away with combination that's better than what we had last year in Murray.

Of course, I don't think better than an 1,800-yard back with a 4.7 average is a realistic goal. I just want the running game to be able to carry its share of the load.

If this is truly their plan, and it looks like it is. Let DM walk and sign only DMC and line up DMC or Williams or Randle or Rookie come kickoff time....

Its my belief they are making a mistake. As the season rolls on and its obvious we cant run the ball like we did with Murray. You will see Romo dropping back more and defenses ready for it.

Especially during "crunch time".

It may work out. But I dont think it does. Its a mistake. ..... They are hoping they can make a run. Not trying to make a run..........................In Romos Time Frame....

 

[esloan]

If this is truly their plan, and it looks like it is. Let DM walk and sign only DMC and line up DMC or Williams or Randle or Rookie come kickoff time....

Its my belief they are making a mistake. As the season rolls on and its obvious we cant run the ball like we did with Murray. You will see Romo dropping back more and defenses ready for it.

Especially during "crunch time".

It may work out. But I dont think it does. Its a mistake. ..... They are hoping they can make a run. Not trying to make a run..........................In Romos Time Frame....

They are trying to be smart and not overpay for an ageing player like they have so many times before. That got us into trouble countless times in the last twenty years. They are finally learning. You build from the draft. You don't take large risks for older players.

 

[Silver N Blue]

If McFadden can show even a bit of the talent he once had behind this line and we can get a rookie who doesn't totally bust, we might have a better corp of back than we had last year. I don't think any one back is going to do what Murray did last year but I think McFadden or Williams, coupled with a solid rookie can combine to get close.

This is the plan you want over AD? RBBC rarely work and not many of those teams are represented in the SB. Look at recent teams.
Pats--Blount bell cow/ Veeren 3rd down back Not a true RBBC
Hawks....Lynch
9ers---Gore
Pack--Lacy
Broncos--Moreno
Ravens--Rice


Now I am not saying another back doesn't come in for a spell or a series or two but the elite teams still run the one horse show imo. Take Cincy for example...Gio was going to be the guy with Hill sprinkled in from time to time...look what happened by the end of the season Hill was the guy with Gio the sprinkles...RBBC is an overrated word imo...there is no way no how you want this team buttering its bread with DMC...as for rookie well that qualifies in the same group as your over 30 explanation....

 

[esloan]

This is the plan you want over AD? RBBC rarely work and not many of those teams are represented in the SB. Look at recent teams.
Pats--Blount bell cow/ Veeren 3rd down back Not a true RBBC
Hawks....Lynch
9ers---Gore
Pack--Lacy
Broncos--Moreno
Ravens--Rice


Now I am not saying another back doesn't come in for a spell or a series or two but the elite teams still run the one horse show imo. Take Cincy for example...Gio was going to be the guy with Hill sprinkled in from time to time...look what happened by the end of the season Hill was the guy with Gio the sprinkles...RBBC is an overrated word imo...there is no way no how you want this team buttering its bread with DMC...as for rookie well that qualifies in the same group as your over 30 explanation....

Where did I say that it was going to be committee all the way? I imagine the rookie will get the bulk of the carries and McFadden will spell him. And, yes, I certainly think that is the best option over giving up the farm for a 30 year old RB. Luckily, it looks like the Cowboys do too.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

They are trying to be smart and not overpay for an ageing player like they have so many times before. That got us into trouble countless times in the last twenty years. They are finally learning. You build from the draft. You don't take large risks for older players.

I get it. And although I was willing to give up a little more then you, It wasn't that much more.

But, I think you do have to take risks.... Just be as sure as you can about them, and make them at the right time.

I liked Galloway. I thought he was a good fit. But when I heard we gave up two firsts....I cringed.

The RW trade was ridiculous. We didn't even need a WR. Worst trade ever! I heard the name and cringed. What were they thinking?

The contract/money MBIII and then Austin, was too much. And everybody knew it.

The only trade I somewhat understood was the Galloway trade and I was on the fence. 2 first rounders for anybody is too much.... But thats the only one I didn't immediately dismiss...

Trading a second and 5th or just a first, after you lost your bellcow in free agency, after your running game propelled your entire team into a playoff team the previous year , making your team competitive and a legit Super Bowl contender , for only the second time in two freaking decades! --- I think maybe you give that a shot.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Where did I say that it was going to be committee all the way? I imagine the rookie will get the bulk of the carries and McFadden will spell him. And, yes, I certainly think that is the best option over giving up the farm for a 30 year old RB. Luckily, it looks like the Cowboys do too.

Again with your giving up the farm quotes.....just saying your entire proposed plan goes entirely away from what worked last year...teams typically don't turn away from something that works and Garrett comes from the one back method...maybe they trade up and get Gurley but that is a risk as well. You know when you get down to it is pretty sad the team is in this situation in the first place. Especially with the success from last year. They are way to close to be tinkering with something that works. I guess that is why I am such an advocate for AD. You know what your getting and you improve at the same time. We can't say that with any rookie. Whatever they do I hope it is right cause if they don't win and the running game falters this place and the entire nation will be in an uproar.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not sure if he is referring to jones statement as winning or if he's saying they are winning the battle to land him

Which is exactly like he likes it. Vague means open to interpretation and as much poo as he flings he needs all the interpretation he can get.