Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[esloan]

I think they can work out a nice deal pretty easily.

3 years for $25 million with $12.5 guaranteed gives Peterson about $13.5 million in his pocket this year (more than he's due in Minnesota), and effectively guarantees he gets paid whatever salary he's due in 2016 (which he does not currently have in Minnesota). And it allows the Cowboys to spread the cap hit of the guarantee over 3 years (meaning $4 - $4.5 million hitting each year).

You can pay him now, based on just two years if you're willing to absorb about $5 million in dead money in 2017.

Personally, I don't think that amount is prohibitive when you're talking about obtaining a proven Hall of Fame talent and the best running back in the league until proven otherwise.

That is where you and I differ. I think that contract is entirely too much for a 30 year old RB and I think Stephen Jones thinks so too, especially if they have to give up draft picks as well.

 

[dallasdave]

Another of the teams reported to be on 'the list' has made a statement taking themselves out of the running:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...peterson-trade-not-something-were-discussing/

Just my opinion, but this is just a bunch of public 'gamesmanship' being utilized by teams and agents in the media in an attempt at negotiation.

Yeah a big card game and everyone Is hiding their cards and bluffing and we won't know what will happen till the last card is dealt.

 

[esloan]

I want to ask you something specific if I might.

Do you believe that the Vikings have every intention of paying Adrian Peterson the amount he is due in 2015 on his current contract?

I have no idea. I really don't. I have seen nothing that says they have asked him to take a pay cut. Rather I have seen them say they are willing to pay the full amount. Now whether that is true, I do not know.

 

[dallasdave]

When Dallas lost to pittsburg the 1st time in the Super Bowl they had Preston Pearson and Robert Newhouse at RB. It wasn't enough to get the job done, 2 years later they trade their 1st and I think about 4 second round picks to get Tony Dorrsett . The article I remember said Cowboys get Dorsett a jet engine to power the run game. The result, the Cowboys won the Super Bowl the year they drafted Dorrsett. Yes a good RB is needed to power your offense to the Super Bowl win.

 

[Stash]

That is where you and I differ. I think that contract is entirely too much for a 30 year old RB and I think Stephen Jones thinks so too, especially if they have to give up draft picks as well.

I'm trying to focus on one aspect at a time, in this case, appropriate salary / guaranteed money.

We can then debate appropriate draft compensation separately.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't expect that. But again, I am of the opinion that the Vikings don't want to pay that $13 million that he's due for week one either.



Yeah, these things are never as easy or as quick as you hope for.

But I still feel a deal gets done. An if it doesn't? I'll live.

It would be in everybody's best interest to adjust, and make the deal.


Dallas doesnt want to give up picks.
Minny wants picks.
AP wants Dallas and to be paid top 3.

Maybe AP accepts AZs offer or even the lowly Bucs offer.

Because at the end of the day, APs need to play , outweighs Minnys need to rid themselves of him.

Will AP sit out the year, because Dallas wont cough up a 3,and force AP to call Minnys bluff?
Will Minny say no the 3 from Dallas, risking the fact that AP rejects any other offer?

Minny can eat the 13 million and say "no comment" until they get something they want. Or maybe just out of principal. Or just plain anger. Now , I do think Minny will play ball. But you're going to have to meet them somewhere in the middle....

I say if you want AP. Cough up 3 or a 2. Maybe a 4th and Carr? Give Minny something, or risk losing out on your guy. But maybe they are dumb enough to risk the running game in DMC/Rookies hands. \

Because honestly, I see AZ or some other team offering a 2 or 3, and to pay AP. And I see both Minny and AP taking that offer, instead of blowing each other up.

 

[Stash]

I have no idea. I really don't. I have seen nothing that says they have asked him to take a pay cut. Rather I have seen them say they are willing to pay the full amount. Now whether that is true, I do not know.

Can you show me a clear quote that says that? In all honesty, I need to see one because I haven't. In fact, what I have seen is anyone associated with the Vikings going completely silent when that topic is brought up.

If you have evidence of anyone saying that I would truthfully and honestly be very interested in seeing it.

 

[esloan]

I'm trying to focus on one aspect at a time, in this case, appropriate salary / guaranteed money.

We can then debate appropriate draft compensation separately.

I said it before in this thread but I would not give AP any more than what we offered Murray and only a 3 year deal at most. I think that would put it at $5 million a year on average. So, $15 million on a three year contract.

 

[Stash]

I said it before in this thread but I would not give AP any more than what we offered Murray and only a 3 year deal at most. I think that would put it at $5 million a year on average. So, $15 million on a three year contract.

I think that's insultingly low for a proven Hall of Famer and the guy considered the best running back in the league the last time he set foot on the field.

If you couldn't obtain a lesser talent in Murray at that price, how could you possibly expect to get Peterson?

Or is this offer simply so low that it effectively ends any chance?

 

[khiladi]

I didn't say "every other RB in the league", I said every other great RBs. This isn't the norm for nearly ALL running backs.

And I've already provided examples. Lesean McCoy who has had the benefit of running behind a great run blocking line the past few years only had 9 20+ yard runs. Want to look this up? Go ahead, look up every good RB who runs behind great offensive lines, 20+ yard runs are rare. 15 20+ yard runs is great production.

Myths and more myths. Nothing like setting unreasonable expectations for RBs because a few RBs in the past had over 20 20+ yard runs.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...xperience=&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go

Go ahead and go through the years and look at the big plays. Count how many RBs had over 20 20+ yard runs. Even LT in his biggest year only had 12.

This isn't Madden.

1. The Eagles OL is horrible and they gave up 23 sacks on Sanchez in 8 games started last year. That's 7 shy of Romo, in 15 games.
2. Since when does 20+ runs, that don't end in scores, qualify as home-running? It could, provided the run breaks not only 20, but maybe 35 or 40.

Convenient that you essentially ignored the stat of 40+ yard

Looking at Murray between 2013 and 2014, Murray jumped from 8 to 18 20+ yards per run, but his 40+ stayed at 3. He went from 217 carries to 392 carries, so with 108 more carries, Murray still couldn't increase his "home-run output". And the fact that his 20+ output increased, shows he was probably getting in the backfield more to capitalize on the opportunities to take on to the house.

Looking at a guy like Foster, who ran the ball 100 times less than Murray, he had 3 +40 yards last year and he was the number 2 runner. Going back a year, when McCoy was the man, he ran it seventy times less and had the same home run output. None of these guys even sniffed close to the numbers of Murray in terms of opportunities whether this year or last year.

And neither Foster nor McCoy were afforded the luxury of a passing game like the Cowboys, especially when their QBs sucked to threaten the run as much. And none of your post addresses the issue of 1000 yards of Murray being obtained before even getting touched by the first defender to allow him to get going.

 

[ufcrules1]

I said it before in this thread but I would not give AP any more than what we offered Murray and only a 3 year deal at most. I think that would put it at $5 million a year on average. So, $15 million on a three year contract.

How about 8 million for 1 year?

 

[dallasdave]

How about 8 million for 1 year?

I like that, a 3rd or 4th round pick and 8 million for one year, hey I think 16 million for 2 years is ok, just not past 2 years.

 

[egn22]

I just heard that Stephen Jones is on record saying we won't go after AP. So I'm Looking for latest news in this thread and I have to wade through all of this stupid back and forth he said she said.

Jeez why force EVERYTHING AP into one thread. Why not an update thread or something, close this one and let people argue somewhere else.

 

[Stash]

It would be in everybody's best interest to adjust, and make the deal.


Dallas doesnt want to give up picks.
Minny wants picks.
AP wants Dallas and to be paid top 3.

Maybe AP accepts AZs offer or even the lowly Bucs offer.

Because at the end of the day, APs need to play , outweighs Minnys need to rid themselves of him.

Will AP sit out the year, because Dallas wont cough up a 3,and force AP to call Minnys bluff?
Will Minny say no the 3 from Dallas, risking the fact that AP rejects any other offer?

Minny can eat the 13 million and say "no comment" until they get something they want. Or maybe just out of principal. Or just plain anger. Now , I do think Minny will play ball. But you're going to have to meet them somewhere in the middle....

I say if you want AP. Cough up 3 or a 2. Maybe a 4th and Carr? Give Minny something, or risk losing out on your guy. But maybe they are dumb enough to risk the running game in DMC/Rookies hands. \

Because honestly, I see AZ or some other team offering a 2 or 3, and to pay AP. And I see both Minny and AP taking that offer, instead of blowing each other up.

I think a key component of what anyone believes will happen is directly tied to this question:

Do you believe that the Vikings have every intention of forcing Peterson to stay in Minnesota and paying him $12.75 million for this year?

 

[Stash]

I just heard that Stephen Jones is on record saying we won't go after AP. So I'm Looking for latest news in this thread and I have to wade through all of this stupid back and forth he said she said.

Jeez why force EVERYTHING AP into one thread. Why not an update thread or something, close this one and let people argue somewhere else.

Google is your friend.

 

[ufcrules1]

I like that, a 3rd or 4th round pick and 8 million for one year, hey I think 16 million for 2 years is ok, just not past 2 years.

Yup, perfect for me too.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think a key component of what anyone believes will happen is directly tied to this question:

Do you believe that the Vikings have every intention of forcing Peterson to stay in Minnesota and paying him $12.75 million for this year?

I think unless Minn gets what they want via draft picks they are very content to stay with Peterson. Minn cap with Peterson on it is still in good shape, they don't have to do anything.

 

[esloan]

I think that's insultingly low for a proven Hall of Famer and the guy considered the best running back in the league the last time he set foot on the field.

If you couldn't obtain a lesser talent in Murray at that price, how could you possibly expect to get Peterson?

Or is this offer simply so low that it effectively ends any chance?

Truly, if I had my druthers, I would much rather that money had been used elsewhere. For instance, signing a DT like Fairley in FA. I am really tired of thinking we have to have elite players at every skill position. This has gotten us into so much trouble in the past. Build from the trenches. Solidify the offensive line (which we have done), solidify the defensive line (which we are trying to do) and go from there.

We have elite players at QB, WR, TE and Offensive line. We can get by with a solid RB. How many teams, in the salary cap era, have had an elite QB, WR and RB? All being paid elite money? I can't think of many. Every team that has won the SB lately has had one or two elite players at the skill positions and very solid offensive and/or defensive lines.

I would have much rather pay for a solid DT in free agency than use that money for AP. The trenches are where you win.

 

[esloan]

How about 8 million for 1 year?

Since every defensive lineman that could help us is gone in free agency, I might do that. It doesn't hurt us in the future so I am amenable to that. Depends on the draft picks that would be required as well. But I do not think AP would be okay with that.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I think a key component of what anyone believes will happen is directly tied to this question:

Do you believe that the Vikings have every intention of forcing Peterson to stay in Minnesota and paying him $12.75 million for this year?

I have no idea what the Vikings will do. I know what I would do. I get draft picks or a player or some combo of compensation, or Mr. Dogra, your client will have to play for us.