Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

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Doomsday101 said:
I think unless Minn gets what they want via draft picks they are very content to stay with Peterson. Minn cap with Peterson on it is still in good shape, they don't have to do anything.
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You're right about that.

They don't have to. They can force him to return and pay him $13 million, and then look at having to pay him even more when he's a year older next year or cut him then and get nothing.

Or

They can trade him now and get something for him and free up that cap space to use now or in the future.

Unless anyone thinks the Vikings have a prayer of winning a Super Bowl this year, with or without Peterson?
 
JoeBoBBY said:
I don't find MMQB to be that kind of site. I think he offers his real opinion. -- Now, he is wrong a lot of the time.
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He is definitely wrong here.

1 - Restructuring Romo has already been discussed. It means nothing in connection with AP.

2 - Watching Demarco sign with Philly and doing nothing says Dallas doesn't want to spend big at the RB position... not that it is going to get AP. If they either wanted AP or Murray, they wouldn't have done nothing, they would have tried to insure they get Peterson before watching Murray go to Philly. They don't want to spend big at the RB position, period. Add in that they'd have to give draft compensation and pay Peterson big time and he's over 30, and it never made sense. Not to mention the circus which would come with AP and his domestic violence charge. Murray would have been infinitely smarter if they wanted to pay... but they didn't.

3 - I think the website discussion was to help get the fan base away from trading for AP. They basically said: Yes he would make Dallas a contender this year... But it wouldn't be smart or fiscally smart to do. If it is all in a sentence, it is easy to see they're trying to dissuade people from the trade. In two tweets though, everyone just focused on the first one. Crazy.

4 - Jerry's conversation with AP was nothing more than Jerry letting him know that he admired his work and wishes he could have played for him.

MMQB doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.
 
esloan said:
Truly, if I had my druthers, I would much rather that money had been used elsewhere. For instance, signing a DT like Fairley in FA. I am really tired of thinking we have to have elite players at every skill position. This has gotten us into so much trouble in the past. Build from the trenches. Solidify the offensive line (which we have done), solidify the defensive line (which we are trying to do) and go from there.
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Ugh! Nick Fairley? Seriously? I know we need defense, but you would honestly prefer paying a career underachiever like him over Adrian Peterson?

Fairley's former team didn't even want him back, even after Suh left and they had all of the cap space they wouldn't be paying to him. He then sat on the market and ended up signing a one year prove it deal. That tells me all I need to know about that guy.

We have elite players at QB, WR, TE and Offensive line. We can get by with a solid RB. How many teams, in the salary cap era, have had an elite QB, WR and RB? All being paid elite money? I can't think of many. Every team that has won the SB lately has had one or two elite players at the skill positions and very solid offensive and/or defensive lines.
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Absolutely true on that one. I've pointed that out myself. The last one was probably our triplets at the start of the cap era. But paying them worked out well in the trophy case. And we're not looking at this as a long term thing, but rather a two year window. I'm willing to play now and pay later.

I would have much rather pay for a solid DT in free agency than use that money for AP. The trenches are where you win.
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I wouldn't disagree on the trenches part, but they're all gone while the opportunities for Peterson and the draft are still available.
 
stasheroo said:
You're right about that.

They don't have to. They can force him to return and pay him $13 million, and then look at having to pay him even more when he's a year older next year or cut him then and get nothing.

Or

They can trade him now and get something for him and free up that cap space to use now or in the future.

Unless anyone thinks the Vikings have a prayer of winning a Super Bowl this year, with or without Peterson?
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Since that plays into your hopes of getting Peterson I understand. lol

However the Vikes are not going to give him away unless someone comes up with a very good offer there is no need for them to let him walk.
 
esloan said:
Since every defensive lineman that could help us is gone in free agency, I might do that. It doesn't hurt us in the future so I am amenable to that. Depends on the draft picks that would be required as well. But I do not think AP would be okay with that.
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Yeah, thing is I'm not sure what is going through AP's head right now. I get the strong feeling he wants out of Minny though. If I were in his position I would be willing to take less to play behind our terrific oline and have a chance to go to the super bowl. That is 2 dreams that could come true for him, that is worth more than the extra money. The dude is already set for life anyway.
 
stasheroo said:
Ugh! Nick Fairley? Seriously? I know we need defense, but you would honestly prefer paying a career underachiever like him over Adrian Peterson?

Fairley's former team didn't even want him back, even after Suh left and they had all of the cap space they wouldn't be paying to him. He then sat on the market and ended up signing a one year prove it deal. That tells me all I need to know about that guy.



Absolutely true on that one. I've pointed that out myself. The last one was probably our triplets at the start of the cap era. But paying them worked out well in the trophy case. And we're not looking at this as a long term thing, but rather a two year window. I'm willing to play now and pay later.



I wouldn't disagree on the trenches part, but they're all gone while the opportunities for Peterson and the draft are still available.
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Fairley would not have been my first choice, it was just the first that came to mind. Free agency started too long ago and I have slept since then so I just used the first that jumped to mind. The point still stands. I would much rather have invested any money that Peterson could potentially receive into the defense in general and the defensive line in particular.

Paying the triplets worked out in the trophy case because there was no salary cap. By the time the salary cap hit, we had the momentum to go ahead and win another. We fell apart soon after as we tried to keep the triplets and let the rest of the team fall apart around them.
 
stasheroo said:
You're right about that.

They don't have to. They can force him to return and pay him $13 million, and then look at having to pay him even more when he's a year older next year or cut him then and get nothing.

Or

They can trade him now and get something for him and free up that cap space to use now or in the future.

Unless anyone thinks the Vikings have a prayer of winning a Super Bowl this year, with or without Peterson?
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I'm not arguing that the Vikings won't try to trade him. I'm just saying that Cowboys won't the be the team to do it. And if AP is as good as everyone says he is going to be, if you are Vikings do you really trade him for even a 3rd round pick, or do you try to work it out with him.

If Peterson is truly going to be the best running back in the league for the next 3 years, like everyone who wants him keeps saying, what's the incentive to get rid of him? They can afford to keep him and a 3rd round pick is not going to replace the best back in football if that is who Peterson is going to be.

So don't be shocked if the Vikings just keep him, and if they get mad enough, try to make sure he never plays again.
 
Doomsday101 said:
Since that plays into your hopes of getting Peterson I understand. lol

However the Vikes are not going to give him away unless someone comes up with a very good offer there is no need for them to let him walk.
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Again, if you're willing to believe that the Vikings are fine with paying $13 million this year and even more money in the future to a disgruntled player.

Some people have repeatedly stated this as fact, and I have repeatedly challenged anyone to find any direct quote as evidence. And to this day, I have gotten absolutely nothing in response.
 
pansophy said:
I'm not arguing that the Vikings won't try to trade him. I'm just saying that Cowboys won't the be the team to do it. And if AP is as good as everyone says he is going to be, if you are Vikings do you really trade him for even a 3rd round pick, or do you try to work it out with him.
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They have 'tried', during numerous meetings on numerous occasions. With each and every one of the Vikings' front office meeting directly with Peterson himself. And absolutely nothing has been resolved or gotten better.

If Peterson is truly going to be the best running back in the league for the next 3 years, like everyone who wants him keeps saying, what's the incentive to get rid of him? They can afford to keep him and a 3rd round pick is not going to replace the best back in football if that is who Peterson is going to be.
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If for no other reason, completely dismissing his stated desire to play elsewhere, his current contract is ridiculous, and something nobody wants to pay him, including the Vikings.

So don't be shocked if the Vikings just keep him, and if they get mad enough, try to make sure he never plays again.
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So wait, you think the Vikings will pay this player $45 million dollars over the next three years out of spite?!?!?!?
 
pansophy said:
I'm not arguing that the Vikings won't try to trade him. I'm just saying that Cowboys won't the be the team to do it. And if AP is as good as everyone says he is going to be, if you are Vikings do you really trade him for even a 3rd round pick, or do you try to work it out with him.

If Peterson is truly going to be the best running back in the league for the next 3 years, like everyone who wants him keeps saying, what's the incentive to get rid of him? They can afford to keep him and a 3rd round pick is not going to replace the best back in football if that is who Peterson is going to be.

So don't be shocked if the Vikings just keep him, and if they get mad enough, try to make sure he never plays again.
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ummmmmm. AP isn't playing for the Vikings though. He may not play for anybody else. But he isn't playing for the vikings.... So, Minny will want to work out a trade.

Why Dallas wouldnt play ball with that scenario is beyond me....
 
stasheroo said:
Again, if you're willing to believe that the Vikings are fine with paying $13 million this year and even more money in the future to a disgruntled player.

Some people have repeatedly stated this as fact, and I have repeatedly challenged anyone to find any direct quote as evidence. And to this day, I have gotten absolutely nothing in response.
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Again you are tilting this to get what you want with no real concern or views of Minn. Please give me a direct quote from the Vikes who have said over and over again they intend on keeping him. HC Mike Zimmer has said this the Vikes GM has said this and everyone in the organization. Only at this sight and rumor mills is Peterson going anywhere. I think it is possible that Vikes could move him but if they do I expect it to be on their terms, either someone will make a big offer to Minn or they will keep him. Having a quality RB would be a big help to a young but decent looking QB and with the 11th overall pick Minn should be able to give him more weapons. Defensively Minn is not a bad team.
Quite frankly ever since the news story of Jerry talking to Peterson over the phone took place people have acted like this was some done deal. I have heard people around here acting as if Minn is just going to release him to they will take a 3rd rd pick and Peterson then is going to give Dallas some sweetheart deal? LOL You guys are living in a fantasy land
 
esloan said:
Fairley would not have been my first choice, it was just the first that came to mind. Free agency started too long ago and I have slept since then so I just used the first that jumped to mind. The point still stands. I would much rather have invested any money that Peterson could potentially receive into the defense in general and the defensive line in particular.
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And you will agree that that ship has sailed and there's currently nobody worth paying that money?

Paying the triplets worked out in the trophy case because there was no salary cap. By the time the salary cap hit, we had the momentum to go ahead and win another. We fell apart soon after as we tried to keep the triplets and let the rest of the team fall apart around them.
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We can debate why the team fell apart separately, but I don't think it was because we paid the triplets.



 
stasheroo said:
They have 'tried', during numerous meetings on numerous occasions. With each and every one of the Vikings' front office meeting directly with Peterson himself. And absolutely nothing has been resolved or gotten better.



If for no other reason, completely dismissing his stated desire to play elsewhere, his current contract is ridiculous, and something nobody wants to pay him, including the Vikings.



So wait, you think the Vikings will pay this player $45 million dollars over the next three years out of spite?!?!?!?
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Barry Sanders walked away from the game when the Lions wouldn't trade him. I don't think they will pay him to sit. If it came to that they could try to deactivate him and get out of paying his salary. All I'm saying is that if AP is really going to be the best RB in football they have a lot of incentive to be persistent and try to work things out if they don't get good value for trading him. They are not under financial pressure to trade him. So they could also just release him late enough that it would be hard to AP to get any kind of real deal for 2015 and he is just one year older next year.

The Vikings definitely could trade him under the right circumstances. I just don't think we have any interest at all in meeting those criteria and don't have interest in paying AP what he will want to be paid.

Also, regarding the 'arrogant' position regarding RB...We have had Murray the last 4 years and it was only when we got the OL together that he really made an impact. That argues that OL was far more important to our success running the ball than Murray was. Having a 1000 yards before contact supports that as well.
 
What is the odds on this AP thread reaching 200 pages. Would that be a record?
 
JoeBoBBY said:
He is getting that whether he plays or not. Show up game one, collect his 12 and go home. Im not even sure if he has to show up for game 1.
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Not a true fact. He is not guaranteed any more money and there is talk that is what Peterson is wanting is for Minn to guarantee the remainder of his contract
 
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