Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[esloan]

Emmitt disagrees with you....I disagree with you. This train is not stopping until; 1. AD is traded to another team 2. AD is traded to the Boys 3. AD is released (which ensures he will be a Cowboy) 4. AD shows up to camp and publically states he is not leaving....until then you're on an island with what 10 others...not a one is a HOF or ex or current player...(have fun)...while I am on an island with a HOF RB, current and former NFL players, countless fans, and endless media personna....my island is better.the atmosphere is better..which again is something you can not debate...

From the looks of it, my island includes Stephen Jones. So, yeah, I am ok with that.

 

[AsthmaField]

Emmitt disagrees with you....I disagree with you. This train is not stopping until; 1. AD is traded to another team 2. AD is traded to the Boys 3. AD is released (which ensures he will be a Cowboy) 4. AD shows up to camp and publically states he is not leaving....until then you're on an island with what 10 others...not a one is a HOF or ex or current player...(have fun)...while I am on an island with a HOF RB, current and former NFL players, countless fans, and endless media personna....my island is better.the atmosphere is better..which again is something you can not debate...

Stephen Jones and the Cowboys are on his island. That is really all that counts.

So are you guaranteeing that AP will be a Cowboy this season?

 

[AsthmaField]

From the looks of it, my island includes Stephen Jones. So, yeah, I am ok with that.

Damn... just beat me to it.

 

[Silver N Blue]

From the looks of it, my island includes Stephen Jones. So, yeah, I am ok with that.

wrong again...Stephen never said the cowboys would not trade for AD..he said rbs....you have learned by now..AD...is not in the class of "RBs" SJ was referring to...and SJ would never join a island that does not support his team getting better...nice try though..failed...but nice try.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Stephen Jones and the Cowboys are on his island. That is really all that counts.

So are you guaranteeing that AP will be a Cowboy this season?

Never said that...you know that...hope and dream...

 

[Stash]

Me? lol you want Peterson so bad and acting like a typical cowboy fan when they felt they could be anything in a trade for players for coakley when he was here. This is about what you want not about Minn. Minn is on record saying yes they want him to stay. All you got is rumors and your own false hope. lol

Drop the 'lol's', you sound like a teenage girl texting when you do that.

And I've asked numerous times for anyone to show where Minnesota clearly says they're willing to pay him. To which not one of you has been able to provide anything.

I'm simply asking if you actually believe what you're typing? Instead of running off on a tangent, simply answering the questions would work much better.

Now you tell me why would anyone want to trade next year when he is a year older? LOL why the hell would I want a guy in dallas using our picks for a guy who is at the end of his career and by next year would be worth even less? One min you are talking HOF RB next Minn can't get rid of him any other year except this season. LOL

The point is that nobody is trading for his current contract now! It will have to be reworked before he goes anywhere. Why would they when the terms and age get worse? Right now, this year, this draft is the time to do it if they possibly can.

We can take each of your points individually and discuss them one at a time if it would help clear things up for you?

And my belief is that Minnesota doesn't want to pay the $13 million this year either! And nothing I have conclusively seen clearly shows otherwise. No matter how many times people have claimed it to be true.

 

[esloan]

wrong again...Stephen never said the cowboys would not trade for AD..he said rbs....you have learned by now..AD...is not in the class of "RBs" SJ was referring to...and SJ would never join a island that does not support his team getting better...nice try though..failed...but nice try.

So now AP is not a RB. My god, you are delusional......

 

[iceberg]

Drop the 'lol's', you sound like a teenage girl texting when you do that.

And I've asked numerous times for anyone to show where Minnesota clearly says they're willing to pay him.

not seen much of anything saying they won't either.

 

[Silver N Blue]

So now AP is not a RB. My god, you are delusional......

I wanted to see what it was like to be you for a minute...i didn't like it....

 

[JoeBoBBY]

not seen much of anything saying they won't either.

Whether they do or dont. I still think AP gets traded or cut.

 

[AsthmaField]

Never said that...you know that...hope and dream...

I know what?

You seem to be pretty much speaking in absolutes, which isn't smart considering the trade is a long shot at best. I could be misunderstanding what you're saying though because your posts are pretty jumbled.

Even on this post you made, I kind of have to decipher what it is you're saying.

I'm not hoping or dreaming about anything to do with AP. I'm using common sense. If Dallas wants him, then I will pull for him. What I'm doing is listening and watching what is going on and and all signs point to it not happening, including Stephen Jones saying they won't trade draft picks for vets.

All of that clearly points to Peterson to Dallas not happening. I really don't think it will. However, I'm not arrogant enough to think that I can't be wrong about it.

I'm certainly not belittling those who think differently than I do.

When all of this started I wasn't for or against the trade. Still not unless they give up a high draft pick... but it is pretty clear that it ain't happening.

 

[esloan]

Out of curiosity, you guys who want AP, in the even we do not get him, what RB are you hoping for in the draft?

 

[Stash]

First off... How you doin' Stash? You're a poster that I agree with much of the time so I'm not going to argue with you too much on this subject. We simply differ here.

Doing better than I deserve to be. I hope the same goes for you. And any and all disagreements aside, I share the same respect for you.

Yeah, I don't think they'll ever say, "No matter how upset he gets, we aren't trading him."

Teams just don't really say that. Besides everyone agrees that if Minn gets enough compensation they'll trade him.

I have no doubt that Minn doesn't want a disgruntled on their team taking a lot of salary cap space. I just think that what it will take to get AP away from them is way, way above what Dallas would be willing to pay.

I think that if they don't get what they want, Minn will simply deal with him being unhappy rather than fire selling him to another team. Especially the Cowboys.

My contention is that nobody - the Vikings included - is willing to pay him $12.75 million this year. I cannot substantiate my claim in that regard, I can only point out the possibility. And I feel it better explains the animosity between him, his agent, and the team that being 'puzzled' as to why he wants to walk away from that much money. And I feel what further supports my claim is the fact that nobody from the Vikings will talk about his contract. They simply say 'we want him back' while purposely avoiding any talk of money.

I think they didn't spread it out as much as they could have because going forward, AP will be an over 30 back who will be getting no younger. NFL teams do all they can to mitigate things after a back turns 30. I'm sure they would have liked to have no guaranteed money after this year. Any NFL team would like that. It is part of the reason why Dallas let Murray walk, IMO. It is also part of why I don't think Dallas wants to make this AP trade now. Unless AP would have no problem taking significantly less and Minn wouldn't ask for very much compensation, Dallas wouldn't be in the equation... and we all know Minn wants a lot and AP won't play on the cheap.

Salaries are huge, with little to no guaranteed money. You and I both know who has the leverage at that point.

I hear you man. You feel like it was more a problem with Murray himself why Dallas let him walk. I think it is more a reflection on how they value the RB position.

And the only way we'll see who's right is after this Peterson thing does or doesn't happen. We can exchange an 'I told ya so!' afterwards.

While I do think Murray's injury history worried the Cowboys, he had everything else going for him. Dallas clearly liked having him as their lead back. His intangibles are off the chart. Dallas loved his mental make-up and his toughness. IMO, if Dallas was going to pay big at RB, I think they would have ponied up for Demarco.

Now, like you, I could see them paying AP a significant salary this year to try to push to the super bowl. Where I differ from you is that I feel like Minn is going to ask for way more than Dallas is willing to part with for a guy his age, and I think that Dallas wouldn't want to push much money at all forward for a back his age. We probably differ in what we see as significant draft compensation, too. I would think long and hard about a 3rd for AP, but I wouldn't want to pay a 1st or second pick for him. I'd rather draft a 21 year old and not be worrying a year from now if his skills are starting to diminish already.

I honestly think that Dallas feels the same way I do on the subject, but I could be wrong.

And I could be very wrong too. I have been enough times before!

But I would give them the 2nd rounder if I had to (but preferably in 2016) because I look at it this way. We're likely going running back, cornerback or cornerback running back in rounds 1 and 2 and if it takes my second rounder to have the need unquestionably filled? So be it.

Hardy is a completely different story. 26 years old is the first thing. If Hardy stays clean and performs like they expect, they'll sign him to a long-term deal. If they had AP on a one year deal (which he wouldn't do), they wouldn't give him a long-term deal going forward because he is on the tail end of his career and it would be stupid.

Also, Hardy plays DE. NFL teams have shown that they have no issue paying edge rushers big time money. Dallas is no different there. A great edge rusher is very, very difficult to find and teams will pay. For a long time now, NFL teams have been shying away (for the most part) in paying big money to backs. Paying big money to 30 year old backs is almost unheard of.

I mentioned earlier that many times you and I agree on subjects. Hardy was one of them. I see a young, dominant edge rusher who didn't cost any draft picks to get and like you, I was all for it. Age, position, and no draft picks were all in his corner.

For AP, age, position, and draft picks are all against him.

I cite the Hardy signing as an 'all in' type of move, which supports the likelihood of the team also going 'all in' to obtain Peterson.

Well, we agree that Dallas has not come out and said, "Just because we didn't pay Murray a lot of money, doesn't mean that we won't pay another RB money". Of course, nobody would reasonable expect the team to do that even if they don't want to pay any RB big money. I disagree that Dallas not saying that means anything in relation to the RB position.

Again, its a wait-and-see deal.

I also disagree that the the Hardy deal is anywhere remotely close to what would happen with an AP deal. No draft picks, age, and position are polar opposites in this discussion. Only link is domestic violence and that isn't part of what I'm talking about.

I never said Dallas won't spend big on any position regardless of age. I said they don't want to pay age, and that they don't want to spend big on a RB. And that is without taking into consideration that this draft is filled to the gills with good running back prospects and that Dallas has pretty much had personal visits with all of them.

I honestly think it is perfectly clear that this just isn't going to happen. You think it is, and that is fine. We will find out soon enough which one is right.

In the end, we both want Dallas to do well and have a healthy salary cap going forward.

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Agreed.

 

[KalEl]

Gurley

 

[Stash]

I don't think he is saying that you have to have superstars at every position.....I think the concern in this case isn't just having a superstar in Peterson. We ran and ran and ran last year. In a throwing 1st and 2nd, and running 3rd league we Ran 1st and 2nd and threw 3rd.....and it worked like a charm....So the desire is to upgrade or remain equal in the position that carries the team....So far it looks like we are weaker today than at the end of the season at a position that carries a heavy load..
Its not at all about having a Madden roster. Its about not getting weaker at a position that is the focus of your offensive attack.

I'm glad at least somebody got it.

 

[Stash]

I think they'll have a shot at the postseason.

Maybe they trade him with exactly what you wrote in mind. I'm not saying it isn't going to happen. I'm saying it isn't going to happen in Dallas. Minn will ask for way too much.

They might. I think your position is completely fair and entirely possible.

And again, I wouldn't want the team to pay 'too much' either. But my 'too much' is a 1st round pick whereas I believe yours is a 2nd rounder. But, unlike many, we're both at least willing to clarify our terms.

 

[Stash]

not seen much of anything saying they won't either.

But ask yourself this:

If they are, when nobody else is, why are he and his agent so desperately trying to get him out of there?

Is my theory that they have asked for a pay cut at least not more plausible than someone shrugging his shoulders, scratching his head, and saying "I don't know?"

 

[AsthmaField]

I would give them the 2nd rounder if I had to (but preferably in 2016) because I look at it this way. We're likely going running back, cornerback or cornerback running back in rounds 1 and 2 and if it takes my second rounder to have the need unquestionably filled? So be it.

Then you and I aren't that far apart. I wouldn't really want to give a second, but a second next year I would think about.

For that kind of cost, I wouldn't mind him at all. I like AP the player and it would be interesting to see him in Dallas.

But I just think there is no way Minn is letting him go for that kind of compensation. They'll want significantly more IMO, than Dallas will be willing to part with.

 

[Sydla]

I think the chances of getting him are slim. But I think anyone who believes the Cowboys don't have interest in him if the price is right for them anymore because of what Stephen Jones said a few days ago, hasn't paid attention to how the trade/draft game is played.

 

[Stash]

Then you and I aren't that far apart. I wouldn't really want to give a second, but a second next year I would think about.

For that kind of cost, I wouldn't mind him at all. I like AP the player and it would be interesting to see him in Dallas.

My prediction was a 4th rounder this year and a conditional pick (4th to a 2nd) in 2016. Minnesota gets something this year, and a quality pick next year directly tied to his success this year.

But I just think there is no way Minn is letting him go for that kind of compensation. They'll want significantly more IMO, than Dallas will be willing to part with.

Possibly so, but if they don't trade him now, I believe the option to do so is gone forever. So next year they're faced with paying him even more or cutting him for nothing.

The Vikings are boxed in on this current contract. If they want to keep him, they're forced to pay him a ton. If another team trades for him? That contract gets reworked.

See what I'm saying?