Adrian Peterson Sweepstakes ***Officially reinstated (again) and merged***

[AsthmaField]

My prediction was a 4th rounder this year and a conditional pick (4th to a 2nd) in 2016. Minnesota gets something this year, and a quality pick next year directly tied to his success this year.



Possibly so, but if they don't trade him now, I believe the option to do so is gone forever. So next year they're faced with paying him even more or cutting him for nothing.

The Vikings are boxed in on this current contract. If they want to keep him, they're forced to pay him a ton. If another team trades for him? That contract gets reworked.

See what I'm saying?

Maybe so. If the Cowboys do get him, I will give you your due, that's for sure.

 

[Stash]

Maybe so. If the Cowboys do get him, I will give you your due, that's for sure.

Either way, I'm appreciative of someone who can at least see the other side of the debate.

Thanks!

 

[AsthmaField]

Either way, I'm appreciative of someone who can at least see the other side of the debate.

Thanks!

Word.

 

[iceberg]

But ask yourself this:

If they are, when nobody else is, why are he and his agent so desperately trying to get him out of there?

Is my theory that they have asked for a pay cut at least not more plausible than someone shrugging his shoulders, scratching his head, and saying "I don't know?"

i've seen you call out "the other side" quite often for pushing speculation *their* way. kinda doing the same here, aren't you? in theory can mean a lot of things but neither side known more than the other and each *feels* like they got the pulse of what is going on.

we'll see i suppose but i don't really do the "in theory" stuff cause "in theory" anything can happen.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Out of curiosity, you guys who want AP, in the even we do not get him, what RB are you hoping for in the draft?

From what I understand , there is a small chance we get Gurley or Gordon. I dont want gordon. So gurley it is, injury and all.

But I don't want any of them to be counted on. Which is basically what were doing. I think its a bad plan. Their backup plan after letting Demarco walk in Free Agency , was to sign Mcfadden and draft whoever we could at RB. In a year we should be pushing for a SB in Romos year to year window, and after we propelled ourselves out of 8-8 hell and into a 12-4 team that couldve beat anybody last year.

We take the one element, that most of us credit with making a 12-4 season last year possible, and we downgrade the position. Claiming and acting like we can just sign cast offs and draft a RB and "get by".

I disagree. And I think there is a good chance we revert back to , whatever it was we were doing before. We will stick with the running game, keep calling the run....and then realize were down at half and start passing the football. Slowly but surely, that TOP wont be as good as it was last year, exposing the Defense, allowing teams to get leads, and then you know what happens. Romo starts dropping back in the pocket and puts the ball in the air more, defenses anticipate all that, and the tide slowly turns back to a jumbled , messy, offense with no identity and a defense that cant stop anything....... All because the FO is too scared to take a risk. All in the name of building for the future, a future that most likely doesn't have Romo in it by the time we rebuild the Defense.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I think the chances of getting him are slim. But I think anyone who believes the Cowboys don't have interest in him if the price is right for them anymore because of what Stephen Jones said a few days ago, hasn't paid attention to how the trade/draft game is played.

I dont know. Do you think its a bluff? Part of his strategy to get AP here?

 

[esloan]

From what I understand , there is a small chance we get Gurley or Gordon. I dont want gordon. So gurley it is, injury and all.

But I don't want any of them to be counted on. Which is basically what were doing. I think its a bad plan. Their backup plan after letting Demarco walk in Free Agency , was to sign Mcfadden and draft whoever we could at RB. In a year we should be pushing for a SB in Romos year to year window, and after we propelled ourselves out of 8-8 hell and into a 12-4 team that couldve beat anybody last year.

We take the one element, that most of us credit with making a 12-4 season last year possible, and we downgrade the position. Claiming and acting like we can just sign cast offs and draft a RB and "get by".

I disagree. And I think there is a good chance we revert back to , whatever it was we were doing before. We will stick with the running game, keep calling the run....and then realize were down at half and start passing the football. Slowly but surely, that TOP wont be as good as it was last year, exposing the Defense, allowing teams to get leads, and then you know what happens. Romo starts dropping back in the pocket and puts the ball in the air more, defenses anticipate all that, and the tide slowly turns back to a jumbled , messy, offense with no identity and a defense that cant stop anything....... All because the FO is too scared to take a risk. All in the name of building for the future, a future that most likely doesn't have Romo in it by the time we rebuild the Defense.

I don't agree that we are necessarily downgrading the position. Let's face it, Murray was solid but unspectacular until last year. No one had any idea how much our running game would improve last year and most of that success can be placed at the feet of the o-line and improved play calling. I think we can get a rookie and be fine. The rookie probably won't have 1800 yards but I think he can average 4-4.5 YPC behind this line. Give him 18-25 carries and McFadden 8-12 and we will be fine.

 

[AsthmaField]

Claiming and acting like we can just sign cast offs and draft a RB and "get by".

I haven't heard the team say anything like that. Training camp is a long way off... we haven't even had the draft yet. It is probably too early to be figuring out who will be the main back this season and to be thinking the team is back to 8-8.

 

[Stash]

i've seen you call out "the other side" quite often for pushing speculation *their* way. kinda doing the same here, aren't you? in theory can mean a lot of things but neither side known more than the other and each *feels* like they got the pulse of what is going on.

I'm trying my best to support my stance with as much truth as possible, and when it's speculation, I'm trying to present it in a plausible manner.

Again, does my theory of them having asked for a pay cut seem at least a bit more plausible than he and his agent simply walking away from all that money?

we'll see i suppose but i don't really do the "in theory" stuff cause "in theory" anything can happen.

And that's as good as I can ask for here. An open mind that believes that 'anything can happen'.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

Is Adrian Peterson a Cowboy yet?

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I don't agree that we are necessarily downgrading the position. Let's face it, Murray was solid but unspectacular until last year. No one had any idea how much our running game would improve last year and most of that success can be placed at the feet of the o-line and improved play calling. I think we can get a rookie and be fine. The rookie probably won't have 1800 yards but I think he can average 4-4.5 YPC behind this line. Give him 18-25 carries and McFadden 8-12 and we will be fine.

I hope you are right! I just dont have much confidence in it. I think we downgrade the position.


And, instead of being just fine. I think we need to be better then just fine on the offensive side of the ball to have any chance what so ever.

Dont like this offseason at all. Were hoping we make the super bowl in Romos time frame. We arent pushing for it. Thats how I read this offseason. And if things stay the way they are now, even with a decent draft. I think we will be lucky to win the NFCE. Thats how much I dont like this offseason.

 

[Sydla]

I dont know. Do you think its a bluff? Part of his strategy to get AP here?

Maybe not a bluff in the true sense but just Jones saying we have other options available to us in house, in the draft, etc. Just a shot across the bow of Minnesota that frankly, we don't need AP so don't expect us to drop our pants for him.

I think Jones is perfectly content heading to the draft and finding a guy there. But I also think he'd love to have AP in the backfield at a favorable cost to him.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I haven't heard the team say anything like that. Training camp is a long way off... we haven't even had the draft yet. It is probably too early to be figuring out who will be the main back this season and to be thinking the team is back to 8-8.

The rookie, and everybody we have on the roster now, doesnt cut it.

Now the rook may surprise me. He is going to have to.

 

[esloan]

The rookie, and everybody we have on the roster now, doesnt cut it.

Now the rook may surprise me. He is going to have to.

How do you know he doesn't cut it? How do you know anyone on the roster isn't going to cut it? Going into last season did you think Murray was capable of the season he had? I bet you did not. Until last year, Murray was in a similar boat as McFadden. A player with the physical tools that was injured often. He probably looked a bit more solid than McFadden has but not a whole lot.

The coaches and front office think they can get more out of McFadden and they think a rookie will be fine. They have shown that in their actions so far this off-season. They think the offensive line was the key to the running game. They could be wrong but they deserve the benefit of the doubt after last year.

 

[AsthmaField]

The rookie, and everybody we have on the roster now, doesnt cut it.

Well, everyone currently on the roster doesn't impress me too much either.

With a draft pick and the winners of the competition between Ryan Williams, Joseph Randle, Darrin McFadden, and Dunbar, I do think the running game will be just fine.

I really like a rotation at RB to keep everyone fresh. IMO they should have rested Murray more last year. Randle could have handled much more and Demarco would have been better in the 4th quarters.

This is just my opinion, but Murray wasn't all that either. The guy missed many chances for cutbacks. He left a lot of yards on the table, IMO, and his vision is sketchy. He had good toughness and ran hard, but he simply isn't irreplaceable.

I think there is a pretty good chance the run game is better this year than last.

 

[esloan]

Well, everyone currently on the roster doesn't impress me too much either.

With a draft pick and the winners of the competition between Ryan Williams, Joseph Randle, Darrin McFadden, and Dunbar, I do think the running game will be just fine.

I really like a rotation at RB to keep everyone fresh. IMO they should have rested Murray more last year. Randle could have handled much more and Demarco would have been better in the 4th quarters.

This is just my opinion, but Murray wasn't all that either. The guy missed many chances for cutbacks. He left a lot of yards on the table, IMO, and his vision is sketchy. He had good toughness and ran hard, but he simply isn't irreplaceable.

I think there is a pretty good chance the run game is better this year than last.

Yep. We won't have another 1800 yard rusher but we may have a 1300 yard rusher and a 400 yard rusher. Hopefully, we won't have as many fumbles either.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Maybe not a bluff in the true sense but just Jones saying we have other options available to us in house, in the draft, etc. Just a shot across the bow of Minnesota that frankly, we don't need AP so don't expect us to drop our pants for him.

I think Jones is perfectly content heading to the draft and finding a guy there. But I also think he'd love to have AP in the backfield at a favorable cost to him.

Yeah. Your probably right. And I see others who really want AP here too, say they will only give a two.

I don't know. If you think the guy makes us Super Bowl contenders. Then whats the difference between 1 and 2? If you really believe that AP will be that valuable. and I think he is. Yes, you try and get them down to a 2 or 3.

But I think its going to take a 1 or a 2 and 5 or something like that

Do it, Float a one to Minny and they take it. Pay AP top 3. And we have our guy. A guy we think is the best running back in football and will propell us into the NFCCG and SB contention. That guy isnt going to come cheap , unless your absolutely sure he is getting cut.....?

Go get him! Go get THAT guy.

Its not happening. In fact, I doubt they offer anything.....

I get it, be smart about not giving up your hand, etc etc...You have to play that game; But my gut is, They aren't playing any games. They have no real desire to get AP. They are going to draft the rookie and roll with that.

If AP is magically available and accepts pay that a middle tier RB gets, then yeah , sure come aboard!!!

May as well say. No were not interested. Its an insult and a joke to think he is going to accept that.

Ohh sure, if King Kong will play middle linebacker for us at the right price, sure . were interested.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Well, everyone currently on the roster doesn't impress me too much either.

With a draft pick and the winners of the competition between Ryan Williams, Joseph Randle, Darrin McFadden, and Dunbar, I do think the running game will be just fine.

I really like a rotation at RB to keep everyone fresh. IMO they should have rested Murray more last year. Randle could have handled much more and Demarco would have been better in the 4th quarters.

This is just my opinion, but Murray wasn't all that either. The guy missed many chances for cutbacks. He left a lot of yards on the table, IMO, and his vision is sketchy. He had good toughness and ran hard, but he simply isn't irreplaceable.

I think there is a pretty good chance the run game is better this year than last.

Maybe. But maybe we see more 3rd and 9s instead of 2nd and 5s,

I think Randle folds quickly with more carries. Chancellor will knock him into next sunday and he wont be the same. Mcfadden might be good for a game or three. Im not even sure why they keep Dunbar on the roster? And I have never seen Williams play.

What RB do you all think we end up drafting?

 

[esloan]

Maybe. But maybe we see more 3rd and 9s instead of 2nd and 5s,

I think Randle folds quickly with more carries. Chancellor will knock him into next sunday and he wont be the same. Mcfadden might be good for a game or three. Im not even sure why they keep Dunbar on the roster? And I have never seen Williams play.

What RB do you all think we end up drafting?

I don't think Randle makes it out of training camp. Dunbar is a good special teams player so I think he stays. My pick for RB was Ajayi until news of his knee condition came out. If Gordon or Guryley drops, I take one of them. If not, I don't have a problem waiting until the third and picking up Duke Johnson or similar.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Either way, I'm appreciative of someone who can at least see the other side of the debate.

Thanks!

4th and a paycut.