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[AsthmaField]

The other day, I heard a Philly reporter who was a guest on the Rich Eisen radio show if he thought AP would be traded. He basically said that he knows Steven Jones said they won't trade picks for a veteran player, but he doesn't believe it. He said that it just didn't sound like Dallas to pass up a big name, even if it costs a ton of picks and money. He said, Jerry traded for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams and that is just how he does business.

AP will end up in Dallas he said.

Just shows how out of touch he is with how Dallas has been doing things. They have been responsible with not paying big names or age for a few years now. I can't tell you how great it feels to know Dallas isn't like that any more. I love having the second youngest roster in the NFL. It is no accident that the two youngest rosters were playing for the right to go to Seattle to play in the NFC Championship game (Dallas and Green Bay).

Now, do fans really want Dallas to go back to doing things like that slimy Philly reporter thinks they still do? Pay picks and big money to a 30 year old RB when even my wife knows the NFL shouldn't pay 30 year old RB's?

I can't understand the desire to start sucking again.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

The other day, I heard a Philly reporter who was a guest on the Rich Eisen radio show if he thought AP would be traded. He basically said that he knows Steven Jones said they won't trade picks for a veteran player, but he doesn't believe it. He said that it just didn't sound like Dallas to pass up a big name, even if it costs a ton of picks and money. He said, Jerry traded for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams and that is just how he does business.

AP will end up in Dallas he said.

Just shows how out of touch he is with how Dallas has been doing things. They have been responsible with not paying big names or age for a few years now. I can't tell you how great it feels to know Dallas isn't like that any more. I love having the second youngest roster in the NFL. It is no accident that the two youngest rosters were playing for the right to go to Seattle to play in the NFC Championship game (Dallas and Green Bay).

Now, do fans really want Dallas to go back to doing things like that slimy Philly reporter thinks they still do? Pay picks and big money to a 30 year old RB when even my wife knows the NFL shouldn't pay 30 year old RB's?

I can't understand the desire to start sucking again.

Okay. Whats wrong with this scenario? What kills the entire franchise and its future in this plan.

1. Give a 2 to Minny.
2. Sign AP, 3 years 25 million. Load it up with signing bonuses etc etc... and most likely cut him year 3, if need be, he will be 33 by then. Eat some dead money, but try and minimize the amount. I'm not a contract guy but from what I understand we could get it down to a reasonable amount.
3. Draft heavy on defense.
4. draft a RB, If romo is around in 3 years, we will have someone ready to go when AP is gone.

We lose a second round draft choice, and the difference of what we would have paid Murray compared to what we pay AP. off hand, 10 - 12 million over the course of 3 years.

I dont really consider that going "All in" . And it certainly can be managed.

We have AP for 2 years, for what is really Romos last run..... And, who do we have at QB after Romo? Ohhh thats right, were going to be so good, it wont matter.

But. nope. Ii doubt it happens. The FO is going to out smart themselves and go from one extreme way of doing business to another....

 

[AsthmaField]

Okay. Whats wrong with this scenario? What kills the entire franchise and its future in this plan.

1. Give a 2 to Minny.
2. Sign AP, 3 years 25 million. Load it up with signing bonuses etc etc... and most likely cut him year 3, if need be, he will be 33 by then. Eat some dead money, but try and minimize the amount. I'm not a contract guy but from what I understand we could get it down to a reasonable amount.
3. Draft heavy on defense.
4. draft a RB, If romo is around in 3 years, we will have someone ready to go when AP is gone.

We lose a second round draft choice, and the difference of what we would have paid Murray compared to what we pay AP. off hand, 10 - 12 million over the course of 3 years.

I dont really consider that going "All in" . And it certainly can be managed.

We have AP for 2 years, for what is really Romos last run..... And, who do we have at QB after Romo? Ohhh thats right, were going to be so good, it wont matter.

But. nope. Ii doubt it happens. The FO is going to out smart themselves and go from one extreme way of doing business to another....

If all that Minny wants is a second, I'd think about it, depending on the financial deal that can be worked out with the AP camp. I don't want a ton of dead money on the cap three years down the line.

I can't see the Vikes giving him to Dallas for a second though. If they do offer him for a second, look me up then.

I love AP the player that he is today. I worry about AP the player in 3 years.

You and I want the same thing man... we just have different ways of getting there.

Doesn't matter what you or I want though. Dallas isn't doing this deal.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

If all that Minny wants is a second, I'd think about it, depending on the financial deal that can be worked out with the AP camp. I don't want a ton of dead money on the cap three years down the line.

I can't see the Vikes giving him to Dallas for a second though. If they do offer him for a second, look me up then.

I love AP the player that he is today. I worry about AP the player in 3 years.

You and I want the same thing man... we just have different ways of getting there.

Doesn't matter what you or I want though. Dallas isn't doing this deal.

I dont think they are....

Either they are really not that interested at all.
Or they they know something. Like AP isn't playing for anybody but.
-- I say odds are they arent interested. And I dont understand why? Maybe AP has said no to the money and Minny said no to the 4th, and Dallas said, were out. All behind closed doors...?

I am hoping something between now and pre-season changes the fact that we are going to use rookie as main back and DMC as backup.

Its just my opinion, just the way I judge the move. But we will struggle a little this year, with that scenario. And it might cost us a trip to the playoffs.

I certainly dont see any success in playoffs. Although I may change my tune after the regular season.......who knows with predicitons in April/May. Its a long season.

But as of right now, I think the off season has been a fail. When thinking about contending for a SB this upcoming season. I have been wrong before.

 

[cowboyblue22]

there have been several bad decisions made in this offseason and it will effect the season im not sure there is playoffs in the cowboys future this year to let murry go was a bad decision to not have dez signed to a long term extension is a bad move.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

there have been several bad decisions made in this offseason and it will effect the season im not sure there is playoffs in the cowboys future this year to let murry go was a bad decision to not have dez signed to a long term extension is a bad move.

You know, we had a great season last year. But it wasnt expected.

Yeah, we came out strong, winning games, coming back against the Rams, beat the titans, saints.......and even after we beat the Seattle, I think , as a whole, Cowboys fans were thinking.....okay...okay lets see what we have here. And they just kept winning games, stumbled a few times....but then it was December and , we went to another level..... We were no longer surprised we were winning, we expected it. Then we beat the Lions in the playoffs..

And we all credited Murray and the running game . That was the reason we could call more running plays. Because we could actually run the ball for first downs. And we didn't have to have Romo drop back all the time, and the defense was fresh and was kept off the field. And although I think we could compete with any team, we weren't exactly a juggernaut. We haven't really proven much yet.....

This team could easily stumble this year, and that was with having Murray. Seattle and Green Bay have proven they can do it year in and year out. We haven't...

I wanted to take that momentum of last year and add some juice to it. While we still have Romo.
The profile pic I have was the nucleus of that team. One is gone, the other is pissed over contract and the main guy , the QB, is a year older turning 35 and has a back issue......Witten will play another 10 years I don't worry about him

The thought of building a team that is good enough to push for a Super Bowl, but only after Romo is gone, confuses me.

 

[Tabascocat]

You know, we had a great season last year. But it wasnt expected.

Yeah, we came out strong, winning games, coming back against the Rams, beat the titans, saints.......and even after we beat the Seattle, I think , as a whole, Cowboys fans were thinking.....okay...okay lets see what we have here. And they just kept winning games, stumbled a few times....but then it was December and , we went to another level..... We were no longer surprised we were winning, we expected it. Then we beat the Lions in the playoffs..

And we all credited Murray and the running game . That was the reason we could call more running plays. Because we could actually run the ball for first downs. And we didn't have to have Romo drop back all the time, and the defense was fresh and was kept off the field. And although I think we could compete with any team, we weren't exactly a juggernaut. We haven't really proven much yet.....

This team could easily stumble this year, and that was with having Murray. Seattle and Green Bay have proven they can do it year in and year out. We haven't...

I wanted to take that momentum of last year and add some juice to it. While we still have Romo.
The profile pic I have was the nucleus of that team. One is gone, the other is pissed over contract and the main guy , the QB, is a year older turning 35 and has a back issue......Witten will play another 10 years I don't worry about him

The thought of building a team that is good enough to push for a Super Bowl, but only after Romo is gone, confuses me.

You were supposed to respond in one huge paragraph

 

[JoeBoBBY]

You were supposed to respond in one huge paragraph

Why because I am disgruntled? A malcontent?

Because we have people saying the rookie RB, we get in the Draft will be Arian Foster or Jammal Charles in his rookie season?

Dez is mad, Murray is gone, Romo is older, and our pets heads are falling off!!!

 

[esloan]

Why because I am disgruntled? A malcontent?

Because we have people saying the rookie RB, we get in the Draft will be Arian Foster or Jammal Charles in his rookie season?

Dez is mad, Murray is gone, Romo is older, and our pets heads are falling off!!!

Dez is mad but will get over it. Murray is gone but the secret to our success last year wasn't Murray it was the offensive line. Murray had almost 1000 yards before contact last year. Why? Because of the offensive line mainly. The scary thing? They will probably be better this year with a year together under their belts.

Seriously, you worry too much. We don't need Superman to replace Murray and we certainly don't need a 30 year old RB to do it. Even if that RB is a future hall of famer. We do not need elite at every skill position on the offense. Strengthen the defense some more in the draft, let Hardy get his appeal done, give Lawrence a full training camp, get Lee back healthy, draft Gordon or Yeldon or Coleman or Duke Johnson and, yes, I think we will be a better team than we were last year.

PS. Sorry about your bird. Not even the Cowboys can help with that.

PPS. Not giving AP big money will help sign Dez long term and make him happy.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Dez is mad but will get over it. Murray is gone but the secret to our success last year wasn't Murray it was the offensive line. Murray had almost 1000 yards before contact last year. Why? Because of the offensive line mainly. The scary thing? They will probably be better this year with a year together under their belts.

Seriously, you worry too much. We don't need Superman to replace Murray and we certainly don't need a 30 year old RB to do it. Even if that RB is a future hall of famer. We do not need elite at every skill position on the offense. Strengthen the defense some more in the draft, let Hardy get his appeal done, give Lawrence a full training camp, get Lee back healthy, draft Gordon or Yeldon or Coleman or Duke Johnson and, yes, I think we will be a better team than we were last year.

PS. Sorry about your bird. Not even the Cowboys can help with that.

PPS. Not giving AP big money will help sign Dez long term and make him happy.

yeah you could be right....who knows? I come out differently. I think we do need someone just as good or better at RB. Someone who can jell with the OL. The OL while really really good, wasn't the only component in that dominant running game. In fact, besides Martin, it was the same OL as the previous 8-8 season, for the most part.

The only reason I say that, is because it was the running game that put us back on the map. And I don't think we can afford for it to be less then what is was last year. Even with the projected improvements on Defense, I'm not quite sure the Defense is ready to be that kind of Defense......

If we had Seattles Defense, or if we had Aaron Rodgers or a healthy Peyton Manning, I wouldnt be so worried. But we dont. Romo cant carry us anymore. Thats not who he is. The back and age has changed his play..... Its that running game that we need. And again, all due respect to the OL, were handing off the ball to ............rookie.

I don't like it. But that doesn't mean I am right.

 

[esloan]

yeah you could be right....who knows? I come out differently. I think we do need someone just as good or better at RB. Someone who can jell with the OL. The OL while really really good, wasn't the only component in that dominant running game. In fact, besides Martin, it was the same OL as the previous 8-8 season, for the most part.

The only reason I say that, is because it was the running game that put us back on the map. And I don't think we can afford for it to be less then what is was last year. Even with the projected improvements on Defense, I'm not quite sure the Defense is ready to be that kind of Defense......

If we had Seattles Defense, or if we had Aaron Rodgers or a healthy Peyton Manning, I wouldnt be so worried. But we dont. Romo cant carry us anymore. Thats not who he is. The back and age has changed his play..... Its that running game that we need. And again, all due respect to the OL, were handing off the ball to ............rookie.

I don't like it. But that doesn't mean I am right.

First, Romo carried us all through December last year or at least a big chunk of it. Secondly, Martin did a lot to solidify that offensive line. Play-calling also helped. We completely changed how we called the game last year. Finally, I am not sure that the rookie we get will be worse. He may be better. He won't have 1800 yards but we aren't giving any RB the ball enough to get 1800 yards next year. Garrett and Linehan thinks we ran Murray down last year. Even if Murray came back, he more than likely gets less carries this year. I also think our backup will be better than last year. I don't think Randle even makes the team. McFadden will more than take his carries.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

First, Romo carried us all through December last year or at least a big chunk of it. Secondly, Martin did a lot to solidify that offensive line. Play-calling also helped. We completely changed how we called the game last year. Finally, I am not sure that the rookie we get will be worse. He may be better. He won't have 1800 yards but we aren't giving any RB the ball enough to get 1800 yards next year. Garrett and Linehan thinks we ran Murray down last year. Even if Murray came back, he more than likely gets less carries this year. I also think our backup will be better than last year. I don't think Randle even makes the team. McFadden will more than take his carries.

I am optimistic about Mcfadden but he cant be our number one. I will be happy if he proves me wrong.

I like Randle, but he is a speed back, nothing more...wouldn't be surprised a bit if he is gone.

Dunbar can play that role.

And I am interested in Williams....maybe he is just itching and ready for his shot....and gives us a few years as a workhorse running back that gets us there? I dont know much about him but they haven't kept him around for nothing....

And I will be excited to see a rookie , young legs and all, behind this line, do well. The Offensive line just may create its own Super Star. Another year together for the OL unit will most likely even make that OL better, if you can imagine that....

I just dont want to "count on" any of those guys, come are first 2 games against NY and Philly.

I would rather have them all as just backup , and filler, in case the main guy goes down.....

we cant have all pros at every position, but we had one at this position last year. And I would argue, that at this point, that position is the most important position for the cowboys, excluding QB.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

First, Romo carried us all through December last year or at least a big chunk of it. Secondly, Martin did a lot to solidify that offensive line. Play-calling also helped. We completely changed how we called the game last year. Finally, I am not sure that the rookie we get will be worse. He may be better. He won't have 1800 yards but we aren't giving any RB the ball enough to get 1800 yards next year. Garrett and Linehan thinks we ran Murray down last year. Even if Murray came back, he more than likely gets less carries this year. I also think our backup will be better than last year. I don't think Randle even makes the team. McFadden will more than take his carries.

Also, Romo can carry us in certain games. And even certain drives of the game. But, I dont think he can carry the load and play like that, the entire season.......His body wont allow it.

 

[AsthmaField]

I dont think they are....

Either they are really not that interested at all.
Or they they know something. Like AP isn't playing for anybody but.
-- I say odds are they arent interested. And I dont understand why? Maybe AP has said no to the money and Minny said no to the 4th, and Dallas said, were out. All behind closed doors...?

I am hoping something between now and pre-season changes the fact that we are going to use rookie as main back and DMC as backup.

Its just my opinion, just the way I judge the move. But we will struggle a little this year, with that scenario. And it might cost us a trip to the playoffs.

I certainly dont see any success in playoffs. Although I may change my tune after the regular season.......who knows with predicitons in April/May. Its a long season.

But as of right now, I think the off season has been a fail. When thinking about contending for a SB this upcoming season. I have been wrong before.

I gave your post a like because it is a good, level headed way of looking at it.

I don't agree with you that this offseason has been a fail. They haven't even drafted yet... but like you said... we're guessing about the playoffs in April.

It is probably time to sit back and see what they do before we all get too upset about anything.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't want AP in Dallas specifically because I DO want Dallas to get better. Yes he would help this year, and maybe next year... but his time is almost done. I don't really want to spend resources on a quick fix.

I would rather take players in the first and second rounds that have a chance to come in (like Martin, Frederick, Dez, Smith, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, etc.) and earn a starting spot and play for half a decade on a rookie deal. Then, Dallas will have the option to sign them to their second contract and have them for a full 10 years or so.

Would Dallas trade Martin for AP straight up? Hell no. What about Frederick? Uh-uh. Smith? C'mon. Maybe Lee but that is only because he's hurt often. Carter? Yes but they didn't like Carter or want to keep him.

And if you said yes to Lee and Carter, then we are talking a second round pick for AP. That isn't really what I would like to do, but I probably would for a second. A first? No. Hell no.

All that is without even mentioning that three years from no Dallas would probably owe AP a decent amount of money and he is likely to be on his last legs as a player. That isn't making this franchise better. The way they are doing it now is how this team is going to continue getting more and more healthy.

Don't look now but Dallas is just about a model franchise in the NFL.

I understand why you would like AP this year. But going forward, it would hurt the team, no doubt. Five years from now we could have a guy just going into his prime and set for a big second year contract (like Dez). That's where we want to be brother.

Great points and I want the same things. It's just been twenty years and it is way overdue for number six. I just think you still can get everything you point out and AD. I just don't see how a third rd pick this year and a three year deal worth a total of 25 million change any long term plans of continued success. The other part of why I want AD is for Romo. He deserves a legit shot the next three years. So yes I am with you all long term sustained success is the preferred goal but if you can load up for a year or two without derailing that goal then go for it.

 

[Stash]

If all that Minny wants is a second, I'd think about it, depending on the financial deal that can be worked out with the AP camp. I don't want a ton of dead money on the cap three years down the line.

What would you consider 'a ton'? If they gave him $12 - $13 million on a 3-year deal, you're looking at close to $5 million in dead money if they released him or he retired after two years. I can live with that.

I can't see the Vikes giving him to Dallas for a second though. If they do offer him for a second, look me up then.

I would rather give up the second rounder next year rather than this year.

I love AP the player that he is today. I worry about AP the player in 3 years.

I worry about Romo in 3 years too. But I'd like to load up for a run while both are still playing at a high level.

You and I want the same thing man... we just have different ways of getting there.

Doesn't matter what you or I want though. Dallas isn't doing this deal.

'So certain are you?' (in my best Yoda voice)

 

[Stash]

The running back involved in the biggest trade in Vikings' history weighs in:

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci...time-vikings-trade-adrian-peterson?source=rss

 

[KalEl]

It's failure every time? You act like this is the first time in NFL history a team let a productive player go due to cost. Many teams have done this and have proven it's NOT a failure. You know who it usually ends up being a failure for? The team that signs said player to a big contract.

It's like some of you are just completely against drafting players. You understand nearly every big time player in the league came from the draft, right?

And this is another problem you and others are having with understanding. We are not just fixing the cap NOW, we are fixing it for in the future. This is why I say over and over and over again, we are not playing the desperate game of winning NOW, we are doing this smart. We are fixing our cap for the future, we are building through the draft, while signing productive players to cheap contracts to help Romo get his Super Bowl.

This is not failure, this is how most competitive teams in this league stay that way. Look at both the Steelers and Packers.

I agree with you the only thing you're leaving out is if we do acquire AD on the cheap and his contract is close or similar to the Murray one we offered, than they are still staying the course and sticking to their plan. Which is all about being success in the FO and on the field for the future.

 

[MRV52]

I get a kick out of some of the fans in this forum and there doom and gloom of losing Murray. Do you think that Jerry and Stephen are so stupid they they don't have a backup plan for Murray. IMO they never had any intentions of keeping Murray at any price. If they wanted him they would have signed him before the draft period!!. Now sit back grab your popcorn and relax and wait how this unfolds as this is going to be an exciting draft. And yes AP is still in play.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I get a kick out of some of the fans in this forum and there doom and gloom of losing Murray. Do you think that Jerry and Stephen are so stupid they they don't have a backup plan for Murray. IMO they never had any intentions of keeping Murray at any price. If they wanted him they would have signed him before the draft period!!. Now sit back grab your popcorn and relax and wait how this unfolds as this is going to be an exciting draft. And yes AP is still in play.

Only if he is released.