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[esloan]

We went from having a really good RB and a great leader, who the team trusted and liked and rallied around , to DMC and unknown rookie.

Thats a failure every time.

Where is the extra money going ? Who did we sign on Defense with all that extra money?

It's not just this year. We will have extra money next because of being fiscally responsible now.

I also don't think our defense is as far away as you think. We played Green Bay really tough last year, in their house. Add Lee, a full year of Lawrence and Hardy (his suspension will be reduced) plus a solid draft and I think it will be much improved.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Nope. I don't think so. I have seen your poor spelling and grammar elsewhere in the thread. Out of curiosity, so we can put this to rest (it seems to bother you, as you have brought it up a couple times at least), what generation are you from? How old? Just wondering, since you seem fixated on it. Or maybe you just love making unfounded assumptions?

I don't come here for grammar I get that at my job five days a week. I come here to chat hang with my fellow cowboys fans. Nothing in here bothers me; I come in knowing not everyone will agree with my point of view. What is so enticing about this thread is you, mjames, and Jim have brought nothing to the table besides your biased opinion. In what will be 37 years as a Cowboys fan I have never been apart where a group of so called Cowboys fans are dead red against their team getting better. I think you guys probably just aren't real boys fans at all. You just like coming in here to create havoc amongst the ones who are. Again I go back to what I said yesterday, a debate values both sides, something not one of you have done.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I'm not sure. I am not as involved as you guys are on this subject nor do I pretend to be. I'm just saying I'm sure there are some situations that could be mutually beneficial.

They apparently need a starting CB.

 

[mattjames2010]

We went from having a really good RB and a great leader, who the team trusted and liked and rallied around , to DMC and unknown rookie.

Thats a failure every time.

Where is the extra money going ? Who did we sign on Defense with all that extra money?

It's failure every time? You act like this is the first time in NFL history a team let a productive player go due to cost. Many teams have done this and have proven it's NOT a failure. You know who it usually ends up being a failure for? The team that signs said player to a big contract.

It's like some of you are just completely against drafting players. You understand nearly every big time player in the league came from the draft, right?

And this is another problem you and others are having with understanding. We are not just fixing the cap NOW, we are fixing it for in the future. This is why I say over and over and over again, we are not playing the desperate game of winning NOW, we are doing this smart. We are fixing our cap for the future, we are building through the draft, while signing productive players to cheap contracts to help Romo get his Super Bowl.

This is not failure, this is how most competitive teams in this league stay that way. Look at both the Steelers and Packers.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I'm not sure. I am not as involved as you guys are on this subject nor do I pretend to be. I'm just saying I'm sure there are some situations that could be mutually beneficial.

I am hoping no one gives Minny their 1 or 2, they leave the draft without trading AP, and now they are faced with deciding whether to keep a malcontent as the face of their franchise, paying him if he does show up, and dealing with a malcontent not really wanting to be there running the football for them.

And decides. Yeah, we will take Carr.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It's failure every time? You act like this is the first time in NFL history a team let a productive player go due to cost. Many teams have done this and have proven it's NOT a failure. You know who it usually ends up being a failure for? The team that signs said player to a big contract.

It's like some of you are just completely against drafting players. You understand nearly every big time player in the league came from the draft, right?

And this is another problem you and others are having with understanding. We are not just fixing the cap NOW, we are fixing it for in the future. This is why I say over and over and over again, we are not playing the desperate game of winning NOW, we are doing this smart. We are fixing our cap for the future, we are building through the draft, while signing productive players to cheap contracts to help Romo get his Super Bowl.

This is not failure, this is how most competitive teams in this league stay that way. Look at both the Steelers and Packers.

And I keep saying this over and over and over again. It is about right now. What don't you understand about that?

Letting Murray go was a good decision. If and only if they had a backup plan in place....

They had the entire year to make a backup plan as they were watching Murray transform the team into a winner. Their backup plan is horrible! Its a fail.

unless of course Rookie goes off and wins rookie of the year. I am not discounting that, but ....i dont want to count on it either.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It's failure every time? You act like this is the first time in NFL history a team let a productive player go due to cost. Many teams have done this and have proven it's NOT a failure. You know who it usually ends up being a failure for? The team that signs said player to a big contract.

It's like some of you are just completely against drafting players. You understand nearly every big time player in the league came from the draft, right?

And this is another problem you and others are having with understanding. We are not just fixing the cap NOW, we are fixing it for in the future. This is why I say over and over and over again, we are not playing the desperate game of winning NOW, we are doing this smart. We are fixing our cap for the future, we are building through the draft, while signing productive players to cheap contracts to help Romo get his Super Bowl.

This is not failure, this is how most competitive teams in this league stay that way. Look at both the Steelers and Packers.

Tthe packers signed Peppers a few back, and gave Cobb a decent sized contract that Im not sure he is worth. The Pats signed Revis, won a super bowl. Then released him. Seattle just gave a lot of bones to Lynch a 29 year old running back. And they traded to get Jimmy Graham....

Denver signed manning ware, etc etc . They made it a few years ago. The colts signed Gore and Johnson this year, Seems like the best teams in the league make these kinds of decisions. They are just right about them more then we are.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I cannot believe this thread is still rolling....

Money is not the main issue. If we want AP and think he will still be the top RB for 3 more years, we can pay him more than Murray got. The problem is getting robbed by Minny in the trade.

AP for #60? I have no problem with that. AP for #27? I'm wondering if that's better than a top CB, LB, or starting DT. Multiple draft picks? It all becomes very problematic.

But if Minny would trade his rights for #60 in 2nd round, and if AP would do a new contract for 8 million/year, YES....I'd do that today.

I have said it many times.........................my limit is 2nd round pick, that's it.................if that is not good enough for Minny, I tell them to just keep Peterson then.

Trading a 1st round pick (which comes with a 5th year option) for a 30 yr old RB is beyond stupid.

 

[mattjames2010]

Tthe packers signed Peppers a few back, and gave Cobb a decent sized contract that Im not sure he is worth. The Pats signed Revis, won a super bowl. Then released him. Seattle just gave a lot of bones to Lynch a 29 year old running back. And they traded to get Jimmy Graham....

Denver signed manning ware, etc etc . They made it a few years ago. The colts signed Gore and Johnson this year, Seems like the best teams in the league make these kinds of decisions. They are just right about them more then we are.

First off, Peppers is the ONLY FA signing the Packers have had in a good while. That place is like a freaking cult. Secondly, the Pats have had to sign FA's due to how terrible they've been with drafting. They win because they have a legendary QB still playing at a relatively high level along with a legendary coach with a great defensive mind. You then point our Seattle, Seattle is having success due to hitting in the draft; the majority of their defense is homegrown talent, their QB was a steal. Sure they traded for Lynch, but they didn't give up a ton for him. The trading for Graham thing needs to be played out, but it's simple, Seattle won a Super Bowl due to great drafting. And Denver Broncos have nothing to show for their big FA signings other than getting blown out in the Super Bowl. By who? Yeah, the team that drafted well.

 

[mattjames2010]

And I keep saying this over and over and over again. It is about right now. What don't you understand about that?

Letting Murray go was a good decision. If and only if they had a backup plan in place....

They had the entire year to make a backup plan as they were watching Murray transform the team into a winner. Their backup plan is horrible! Its a fail.

unless of course Rookie goes off and wins rookie of the year. I am not discounting that, but ....i dont want to count on it either.

So, the only way you'd be satisfied is if the rookie RB goes on to be rookie of the year? More unreasonable expectations.

Demarco Murray was overrated because he didn't have 4.3 speed and didn't have Barry Sander-like long runs, Adrian Peterson will rush for 2,000 yards behind our line, and our rookie RB has to be rookie of the year to justify the pick.

With these expectations, EVERYTHING will be a failure in your eyes; except for giving up high draft picks attached with players for a 30 year old RB.

 

[Silver N Blue]

And I keep saying this over and over and over again. It is about right now. What don't you understand about that?

Letting Murray go was a good decision. If and only if they had a backup plan in place....

They had the entire year to make a backup plan as they were watching Murray transform the team into a winner. Their backup plan is horrible! Its a fail.

unless of course Rookie goes off and wins rookie of the year. I am not discounting that, but ....i dont want to count on it either.

Joe these dudes just want to argue nothing more. No team as close as the Cowboys at winning a SB let there bellcow go after having success in the run game. Then tried to replace him with a rookie and two injury prone players. I get what your saying and have been saying the same thing . If that is/was the plan all along then IMO that is a bad move.

 

[jnday]

And I keep saying this over and over and over again. It is about right now. What don't you understand about that?

Letting Murray go was a good decision. If and only if they had a backup plan in place....

They had the entire year to make a backup plan as they were watching Murray transform the team into a winner. Their backup plan is horrible! Its a fail.

unless of course Rookie goes off and wins rookie of the year. I am not discounting that, but ....i dont want to count on it either.

I think Murray had sealed his fate as a future Cowboy with all of the injuries over his career and the fumble problems. It made things worse when Murray became a contract year type of player, so the Cowboys ran him into the ground to get the most out of him before he left the team. His vision was terrible and I think AP was their plan as the replacement. With AP becoming so expensive with draft picks and salary cap issues, the fall-back plan has to be a top RB in the draft. I would think that Gurley could not only get the job done, but improve the running game. I have no problem with a trade up to get a RB with Gurley's talent. His size, speed and vision could improve the running game. So many fans want these lower rated RBs so that a first round pick can be used on defense, but a great running game will improve every area of the team. I just hope that this is the plan.

 

[AsthmaField]

In what will be 37 years as a Cowboys fan I have never been apart where a group of so called Cowboys fans are dead red against their team getting better.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't want AP in Dallas specifically because I DO want Dallas to get better. Yes he would help this year, and maybe next year... but his time is almost done. I don't really want to spend resources on a quick fix.

I would rather take players in the first and second rounds that have a chance to come in (like Martin, Frederick, Dez, Smith, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, etc.) and earn a starting spot and play for half a decade on a rookie deal. Then, Dallas will have the option to sign them to their second contract and have them for a full 10 years or so.

Would Dallas trade Martin for AP straight up? Hell no. What about Frederick? Uh-uh. Smith? C'mon. Maybe Lee but that is only because he's hurt often. Carter? Yes but they didn't like Carter or want to keep him.

And if you said yes to Lee and Carter, then we are talking a second round pick for AP. That isn't really what I would like to do, but I probably would for a second. A first? No. Hell no.

All that is without even mentioning that three years from no Dallas would probably owe AP a decent amount of money and he is likely to be on his last legs as a player. That isn't making this franchise better. The way they are doing it now is how this team is going to continue getting more and more healthy.

Don't look now but Dallas is just about a model franchise in the NFL.

I understand why you would like AP this year. But going forward, it would hurt the team, no doubt. Five years from now we could have a guy just going into his prime and set for a big second year contract (like Dez). That's where we want to be brother.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't want AP in Dallas specifically because I DO want Dallas to get better. Yes he would help this year, and maybe next year... but his time is almost done. I don't really want to spend resources on a quick fix.

I would rather take players in the first and second rounds that have a chance to come in (like Martin, Frederick, Dez, Smith, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, etc.) and earn a starting spot and play for half a decade on a rookie deal. Then, Dallas will have the option to sign them to their second contract and have them for a full 10 years or so.

Would Dallas trade Martin for AP straight up? Hell no. What about Frederick? Uh-uh. Smith? C'mon. Maybe Lee but that is only because he's hurt often. Carter? Yes but they didn't like Carter or want to keep him.

And if you said yes to Lee and Carter, then we are talking a second round pick for AP. That isn't really what I would like to do, but I probably would for a second. A first? No. Hell no.

All that is without even mentioning that three years from no Dallas would probably owe AP a decent amount of money and he is likely to be on his last legs as a player. That isn't making this franchise better. The way they are doing it now is how this team is going to continue getting more and more healthy.

Don't look now but Dallas is just about a model franchise in the NFL.

I understand why you would like AP this year. But going forward, it would hurt the team, no doubt. Five years from now we could have a guy just going into his prime and set for a big second year contract (like Dez). That's where we want to be brother.

Your sacrificing Romos window now, so we can maybe be great later. I say we can do both.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

First off, Peppers is the ONLY FA signing the Packers have had in a good while. That place is like a freaking cult. Secondly, the Pats have had to sign FA's due to how terrible they've been with drafting. They win because they have a legendary QB still playing at a relatively high level along with a legendary coach with a great defensive mind. You then point our Seattle, Seattle is having success due to hitting in the draft; the majority of their defense is homegrown talent, their QB was a steal. Sure they traded for Lynch, but they didn't give up a ton for him. The trading for Graham thing needs to be played out, but it's simple, Seattle won a Super Bowl due to great drafting. And Denver Broncos have nothing to show for their big FA signings other than getting blown out in the Super Bowl. By who? Yeah, the team that drafted well.

What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't make moves in FA or via trades to make our team better? And since Denver didn't win the Super Bowl, that they made a mistake signing Manning?

So, the only way you'd be satisfied is if the rookie RB goes on to be rookie of the year? More unreasonable expectations.

Demarco Murray was overrated because he didn't have 4.3 speed and didn't have Barry Sander-like long runs, Adrian Peterson will rush for 2,000 yards behind our line, and our rookie RB has to be rookie of the year to justify the pick.

With these expectations, EVERYTHING will be a failure in your eyes; except for giving up high draft picks attached with players for a 30 year old RB.

I would think , if we RELY on the rookie to get us to the SB, that cat is going to have to have one hell of a rookie season. Which, means he would probably get rookie of the year.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

What have we added to this years team, that furthers are agenda of making a SB push this year?

Luck would have it we play NY and Philly without Hardy....at least two of the games we wont have Hardy.

 

[mattjames2010]

What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't make moves in FA or via trades to make our team better? And since Denver didn't win the Super Bowl, that they made a mistake signing Manning?



I would think , if we RELY on the rookie to get us to the SB, that cat is going to have to have one hell of a rookie season. Which, means he would probably get rookie of the year.

No, my point is you don't go "all-in" with FA or give up premium draft picks for aging players. And did Denver make a mistake signing Manning? Yeah, because they gave him a big contract to come in and help them win a Super Bowl. What did they get for it? A Super Bowl appearance that resulted in one of the most embarrassing performances of all time for a Super Bowl team. They went all-in again in the 2014 FA and couldn't win a playoff game.

And who said we are going to RELY on our rookie RB? Last I checked, an RB is not the only player on the team. We have a defense we expect to improve, an offensive line that is just going to get better, a top 3 WR, one of the better QBs in the league, and two young WRs that will only get better in our system.

We won't be giving the ball to the rookie RB 390 times, we are going to give a fair share to the backup RBs this year. We wanted that last year. We brought in McFadden for just that. Want to see the production we are looking for? Look back at Arian Foster/Ben Tate and Jamaal Charles/Kniles Davis (2014 season).

 

[mattjames2010]

What have we added to this years team, that furthers are agenda of making a SB push this year?

Luck would have it we play NY and Philly without Hardy....at least two of the games we wont have Hardy.

We have added multiple LB's, not only for depth purposes, but injury insurance and for playing a role. We are also going by Lawrence developing even more and becoming an effective pass rusher. Greg Hardy's suspension is extreme, it will be reduced to about 2-6 games, no need to be worried about it. He's going to help our pass rush and we'll get by without him. We also have Sean Lee and McClain back, and we have great depth behind them.

We fill the rest of the holes in the draft.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

We have added multiple LB's, not only for depth purposes, but injury insurance and for playing a role. We are also going by Lawrence developing even more and becoming an effective pass rusher. Greg Hardy's suspension is extreme, it will be reduced to about 2-6 games, no need to be worried about it. He's going to help our pass rush and we'll get by without him. We also have Sean Lee and McClain back, and we have great depth behind them.

We fill the rest of the holes in the draft.

really nothing significant that makes us better. Besides Hardy, who misses the NY / Philly opener. Bad luck there.

and minus a good bellcow. pending the emergence of a 3rd, 4th round drafted rookie RB?

I got a bad feeling about this bossman.

 

[AsthmaField]

Your sacrificing Romos window now, so we can maybe be great later. I say we can do both.

I'm not sacrificing Romo's window at all. Peterson isn't the only way to get a strong running game... it is just the most expensive (in $$ and picks).

Between a rookie, and what Dallas has already, they should still have a really strong running game.

And your way hurts being able to do both because they'd be paying for a 32, 33, 34 year old RB when he is well past his prime. That is not the way to do it IMO.