After further review a week later, Refs stole game from Cowboys vs Packers once again

[Blackrain]

See, I don't think the owners with the better teams would be willing to have the games artificially kept close. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm absolutely certain that these owners make so much money already, that their prime motivation is winning, even if they could somehow make more money by risking losses to the referees' discretion.

Runny at one time I thought Jerry wanted nothing more than to win but I've changed my mind on that because he is so successful in every other way I can't imagine how he could not have had more success in 27 years other than the fact he is more about being a successful businessman than a team builder.

I just don't think he will ever get the credit that he wants as the architect of the Cowboys

But as a businessman that has taken his franchise to the absolute pinnacle he is rated second to none and gets total credit which seems to be what is the most important thing to him or Jimmy Johnson would probably be in the ring of Honor by now but that's a whole other story that I absolutely don't want to get into here and probably shouldn't have mentioned it.

But I think Jerry wants credit for something so bad that he has taken making his franchise the most valuable in sports as his legacy.

I get the feeling a man with his money looks at the Lombardi trophy with not a lot more admiration than something he gets out of a gumball machine.

Just the way I feel anymore because I can't believe he could actually be this bad at his job for 27 years

 

[Blackrain]

I agree that it was an injustice. I just don't think they did it with malice. I haven't heard anything about it from the team. Did McCarthy say anything about them telling him just before the kick was made or any other details?

I didn't hear anything from McCarthy on it it just really struck a nerve with me.

 

[Runwildboys]

You might think that but the Thanksgiving Day game I believe had more viewers than any other game ever so somehow I believe that pads Jerry's pocket and he just can't give that up.

See Jerry knows down deep that no matter how many Super bowls he wins he will never be viewed as the football guy he wants to be viewed as.

But the title of having the most valuable sports franchise in all the world is all his he gets all the credit and no one can take any of it from him and I think that is what drives him and what he gravitates towards now

Just my opinion

But isn't the revenue from the networks shared equally? If so, the only advantage to a team being in Prime Time would be exposure, which the Cowboys certainly don't need, and to risk losing by having the game artificially kept close doesn't seem worth it, especially if your goal is to accumulate fans.

 

[Blackrain]

But isn't the revenue from the networks shared equally? If so, the only advantage to a team being in Prime Time would be exposure, which the Cowboys certainly don't need, and to risk losing by having the game artificially kept close doesn't seem worth it, especially if your goal is to accumulate fans.

I was thinking exactly that when I saw we were on Sunday night football with the colts and I was like geez what are we going to see in this game that will be some unprecedented frustration

Then I got to thinking there's the flip side of the coin there is many people out there that follow us because they hate us so it's almost like whether we win or lose it benefits Jerry money-wise

There's probably a bean counter that's told Jerry if you win all the time it's really not as profitable You have to please some of those people that live for you to lose cuz there's a lot of them.

Just my random thoughts

 

[Legendz82]

……well then you haven’t seen the “Bacon” thread

Well, call me intrigued. That one sounds fun.

 

[Blackrain]

I'm out for a little bit men I'll get back when I get this saw squared away.

 

[Legendz82]

I got to disagree with you there buddy They should have reviewed that thing right away or at least during the time out They never should have let him kick a 60-yard and then have to do it over That was a serious injustice in my mind.

I don’t think the league is rigged but that was terrible that they waited so long to review the play. Huge credit to your kicker for nailing it twice. Very impressive.

 

[Runwildboys]

I was thinking exactly that when I saw we were on Sunday night football with the colts and I was like geez what are we going to see in this game that will be some unprecedented frustration

Then I got to thinking there's the flip side of the coin there is many people out there that follow us because they hate us so it's almost like whether we win or lose it benefits Jerry money-wise

There's probably a bean counter that's told Jerry if you win all the time it's really not as profitable You have to please some of those people that live for you to lose cuz there's a lot of them.

Just my random thoughts

From a quick Google search:

As of the end of 2021, the Dallas Cowboys were the NFL's most valuable team with a value of $6.5 billion.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, were the least valuable team in the NFL, with a total value of just $2.27 billion.

Why the big disparity between the league's most valuable and least valuable teams?

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To get the answer to that question, we need to first look at how the NFL's owners divvy up their revenues.

First off - there are national revenues and local revenues.

From 2023 to 2032, the NFL will collect the following amounts from their media partners:

ESPN/ABC - $27.2 billion
Fox - $25.2 billion
CBS - $23.6 billion
NBC - $22.6 billion
Amazon - $13.2 billion

Divide this by ten (the number of years in the deal) and you have $11.18 billion/year, which is the amount that the 32 NFL teams receive before the season even starts.

Other national revenue sources includes the NFL Sunday Ticket deal with DirecTV, the NFL network, merchandise sold through NFL.com and more.

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Now, let's look at local revenues.

Home teams receive 60% of ticket sales, while the other 40% is entered into a "pot" that is split between all of the teams in the league. This has brought a fair amount of consternation from Jerry Jones in the past, who feels as though he shouldn't have to split his ticket revenues with other teams.

The rest of the "local" revenues, however, go straight into the pockets of the teams without having to be split.

These revenues include:

-Concession sales
-Stadium merchandise sales
-luxury box sales
-stadium sponsorships
-stadium naming rights
-Parking sales

The Dallas Cowboys make hundreds of millions of dollars per year from stadium sponsorships and stadium naming rights, for instance. Their stadium is a money-making machine, which is why the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise.

Last season, the Dallas Cowboys made nearly $300 million in net operating income from $800 million in revenues.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, made a fraction of that amount.

A favorable stadium deal and an uber-popular team - this is why the Cowboys are worth more than every other team in the league.

 

[Legendz82]

You'd think if it was mostly directed at Prime Time games, Jerry would be trying to opt out of the Thanksgiving Day games. I think a lot of the Prime Time game are close because the league scheduled teams that were expected to be good matchups before the season even started. That, in my opinion, is the extent of their manipulation.

And, if it was directed at prime time games the world would not have to suffer through all the primetime Bronco’s games this year. Unwatchable.

 

[Diehardblues]

From a quick Google search:

As of the end of 2021, the Dallas Cowboys were the NFL's most valuable team with a value of $6.5 billion.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, were the least valuable team in the NFL, with a total value of just $2.27 billion.

Why the big disparity between the league's most valuable and least valuable teams?

-

To get the answer to that question, we need to first look at how the NFL's owners divvy up their revenues.

First off - there are national revenues and local revenues.

From 2023 to 2032, the NFL will collect the following amounts from their media partners:

ESPN/ABC - $27.2 billion
Fox - $25.2 billion
CBS - $23.6 billion
NBC - $22.6 billion
Amazon - $13.2 billion

Divide this by ten (the number of years in the deal) and you have $11.18 billion/year, which is the amount that the 32 NFL teams receive before the season even starts.

Other national revenue sources includes the NFL Sunday Ticket deal with DirecTV, the NFL network, merchandise sold through NFL.com and more.

-

Now, let's look at local revenues.

Home teams receive 60% of ticket sales, while the other 40% is entered into a "pot" that is split between all of the teams in the league. This has brought a fair amount of consternation from Jerry Jones in the past, who feels as though he shouldn't have to split his ticket revenues with other teams.

The rest of the "local" revenues, however, go straight into the pockets of the teams without having to be split.

These revenues include:

-Concession sales
-Stadium merchandise sales
-luxury box sales
-stadium sponsorships
-stadium naming rights
-Parking sales

The Dallas Cowboys make hundreds of millions of dollars per year from stadium sponsorships and stadium naming rights, for instance. Their stadium is a money-making machine, which is why the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise.

Last season, the Dallas Cowboys made nearly $300 million in net operating income from $800 million in revenues.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, made a fraction of that amount.

A favorable stadium deal and an uber-popular team - this is why the Cowboys are worth more than every other team in the league.

Well done !

Also worth noting is all of the stadium sponsorships and additional revenue from the stadium beyond tickets sales is not shared with the players as part of the NFLPA bargaining agreement which is solely based on ticket sales and TV revenue.

And why Jethro sued the league for these stadium rights. It’s all revenue not shared with players.

 

[tyke1doe]

These conspiracy theories about rigged games are ridiculous.

Yes, refs make mistakes. As a former baseball umpire, I made mistakes. But deliberately fixing or rigging games, unless proven with hard, factual evidence, is a baseless accusation as far as I'm concern.

Anyone who has refereed or umpired a game on any level can tell you the game (balls) move so fast that you don't have time to think, "Hmm, I don't like this coach so let me call his player out or call a holding penalty on his team."

The mind doesn't work that way. Split-second calls are generally gut calls made almost instantly and based on training. You look at a play, you assess it in real time and you make the call.

Again, yes, refs get it wrong because the eyes don't move as slow as the camera and technology can.

But intentionally shafting a player or team, I don't think that's happening as much as fans think it is.

 

[Runwildboys]

These conspiracy theories about rigged games are ridiculous.

Yes, refs make mistakes. As a former baseball umpire, I made mistakes. But deliberately fixing or rigging games, unless proven with hard, factual evidence, is a baseless accusation as far as I'm concern.

Anyone who has refereed or umpired a game on any level can tell you the game (balls) move so fast that you don't have time to think, "Hmm, I don't like this coach so let me call his player out or call a holding penalty on his team."

The mind doesn't work that way. Split-second calls are generally gut calls made almost instantly and based on training. You look at a play, you assess it in real time and you make the call.

Again, yes, refs get it wrong because the eyes don't move as slow as the camera and technology can.

But initially shafting a player or team, I don't think that's happening as much as fans think it is.

IDK, some of the people on this site can decide what happened before they even see it!

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

From a quick Google search:

As of the end of 2021, the Dallas Cowboys were the NFL's most valuable team with a value of $6.5 billion.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, were the least valuable team in the NFL, with a total value of just $2.27 billion.

Why the big disparity between the league's most valuable and least valuable teams?

-

To get the answer to that question, we need to first look at how the NFL's owners divvy up their revenues.

First off - there are national revenues and local revenues.

From 2023 to 2032, the NFL will collect the following amounts from their media partners:

ESPN/ABC - $27.2 billion
Fox - $25.2 billion
CBS - $23.6 billion
NBC - $22.6 billion
Amazon - $13.2 billion

Divide this by ten (the number of years in the deal) and you have $11.18 billion/year, which is the amount that the 32 NFL teams receive before the season even starts.

Other national revenue sources includes the NFL Sunday Ticket deal with DirecTV, the NFL network, merchandise sold through NFL.com and more.

-

Now, let's look at local revenues.

Home teams receive 60% of ticket sales, while the other 40% is entered into a "pot" that is split between all of the teams in the league. This has brought a fair amount of consternation from Jerry Jones in the past, who feels as though he shouldn't have to split his ticket revenues with other teams.

The rest of the "local" revenues, however, go straight into the pockets of the teams without having to be split.

These revenues include:

-Concession sales
-Stadium merchandise sales
-luxury box sales
-stadium sponsorships
-stadium naming rights
-Parking sales

The Dallas Cowboys make hundreds of millions of dollars per year from stadium sponsorships and stadium naming rights, for instance. Their stadium is a money-making machine, which is why the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise.

Last season, the Dallas Cowboys made nearly $300 million in net operating income from $800 million in revenues.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, made a fraction of that amount.

A favorable stadium deal and an uber-popular team - this is why the Cowboys are worth more than every other team in the league.

Stadium merchandise sales? Guess that's why there is a store inside the stadium.

I remember Jerry won a dispute with the NFL about naming rights revenue. So now the stadium has a Bank of America section and a Pepsi section. To go along with several Ford vehicles on display inside. Not to mention the sponsored college games played there. The stadium and The Star are actually tourist sites, so that's more private money for him. I now find myself wondering... how many people joined the gym, at The Star, to work out next to the players?

With a billion dollar stadium and a billion dollar training facility working as tourist attractions why wouldn't the Dallas Cowboys be the most valuable franchise? Jerry knows how to make money, I give him that. 300 million private revenue last year.

 

[Runwildboys]

Stadium merchandise sales? Guess that's why there is a store inside the stadium.

I remember Jerry won a dispute with the NFL about naming rights revenue. So now the stadium has a Bank of America section and a Pepsi section. To go along with several Ford vehicles on display inside. Not to mention the sponsored college games played there. The stadium and The Star are actually tourist sites, so that's more private money for him. I now find myself wondering... how many people joined the gym, at The Star, to work out next to the players?

With a billion dollar stadium and a billion dollar training facility working as tourist attractions why wouldn't the Dallas Cowboys be the most valuable franchise? Jerry knows how to make money, I give him that. 300 million private revenue last year.

Right, so to think he'd rather make a comparatively minute amount more by allowing the league to artificially keep the games close, than to actually win and sell even more merchandise and get more visitors to the stadium seems counterintuitive to me.

 

[Vtwin]

From a quick Google search:

As of the end of 2021, the Dallas Cowboys were the NFL's most valuable team with a value of $6.5 billion.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, were the least valuable team in the NFL, with a total value of just $2.27 billion.

Why the big disparity between the league's most valuable and least valuable teams?

-

To get the answer to that question, we need to first look at how the NFL's owners divvy up their revenues.

First off - there are national revenues and local revenues.

From 2023 to 2032, the NFL will collect the following amounts from their media partners:

ESPN/ABC - $27.2 billion
Fox - $25.2 billion
CBS - $23.6 billion
NBC - $22.6 billion
Amazon - $13.2 billion

Divide this by ten (the number of years in the deal) and you have $11.18 billion/year, which is the amount that the 32 NFL teams receive before the season even starts.

Other national revenue sources includes the NFL Sunday Ticket deal with DirecTV, the NFL network, merchandise sold through NFL.com and more.

-

Now, let's look at local revenues.

Home teams receive 60% of ticket sales, while the other 40% is entered into a "pot" that is split between all of the teams in the league. This has brought a fair amount of consternation from Jerry Jones in the past, who feels as though he shouldn't have to split his ticket revenues with other teams.

The rest of the "local" revenues, however, go straight into the pockets of the teams without having to be split.

These revenues include:

-Concession sales
-Stadium merchandise sales
-luxury box sales
-stadium sponsorships
-stadium naming rights
-Parking sales

The Dallas Cowboys make hundreds of millions of dollars per year from stadium sponsorships and stadium naming rights, for instance. Their stadium is a money-making machine, which is why the Cowboys are the most valuable franchise.

Last season, the Dallas Cowboys made nearly $300 million in net operating income from $800 million in revenues.

The Buffalo Bills, on the other hand, made a fraction of that amount.

A favorable stadium deal and an uber-popular team - this is why the Cowboys are worth more than every other team in the league.

I had just done the same quick google search and found the same National vs Local revenue breakdown you show here, from a different source.

So TV money is split evenly. Merch sales are split evenly. Ticket sales are spit 60/40 with the 40 split evenly between all teams.

So what benefits all teams the most...

Wouldn't it be getting the best TV deals? (which rely on exciting broadcasts, especially high profile, primetime broadcasts)

Wouldn't it be maxing out merch sales across the board? (The Cowboys regularly are at the top in merch sales. Boosting merch sales for lower tier teams benefits the entire league, including the Cowboys, more than an incremental increase in the Cowboys already near-maxed merch sales potential.)

Wouldn't it be increasing consumption of the NFL's "Enterprise"- NFL Network, Sunday Ticket, other licensing deals?

Under the current revenue sharing system it is in every teams best interest to have every team increasing their fan base. Having the Bengals reach the SB last season will make Jerry more money long term than had the Cowboys won the SB last season.

Having a small group of teams dominating the league will produce less revenue for everyone including those dominant teams.

It makes perfect sense to level the playing field to that end, and the NFL has positioned themselves to be able to do that.

There is every financial reason to manipulate outcomes from time to time.

The one single reason I can come up with to not do this is the fairytale notion of integrity and fair play.

I guess maybe the collective group of billionaires, lawyers, marketers, etc that comprise the NFL could be operating entirely from the perspective of integrity and fair play.... I guess..... maybe.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Having the Bengals reach the SB last season will make Jerry more money long term than had the Cowboys won the SB last season.

 

[Runwildboys]

I had just done the same quick google search and found the same National vs Local revenue breakdown you show here, from a different source.

So TV money is split evenly. Merch sales are split evenly. Ticket sales are spit 60/40 with the 40 split evenly between all teams.

So what benefits all teams the most...

Wouldn't it be getting the best TV deals? (which rely on exciting broadcasts, especially high profile, primetime broadcasts)

Wouldn't it be maxing out merch sales across the board? (The Cowboys regularly are at the top in merch sales. Boosting merch sales for lower tier teams benefits the entire league, including the Cowboys, more than an incremental increase in the Cowboys already near-maxed merch sales potential.)

Wouldn't it be increasing consumption of the NFL's "Enterprise"- NFL Network, Sunday Ticket, other licensing deals?

Under the current revenue sharing system it is in every teams best interest to have every team increasing their fan base. Having the Bengals reach the SB last season will make Jerry more money long term than had the Cowboys won the SB last season.

Having a small group of teams dominating the league will produce less revenue for everyone including those dominant teams.

It makes perfect sense to level the playing field to that end, and the NFL has positioned themselves to be able to do that.

There is every financial reason to manipulate outcomes from time to time.

The one single reason I can come up with to not do this is the fairytale notion of integrity and fair play.

I guess maybe the collective group of billionaires, lawyers, marketers, etc that comprise the NFL could be operating entirely from the perspective of integrity and fair play.... I guess..... maybe.

They've already created all the parity they need through the salary cap and free agency. Other than integrity and fair play, there's also the risk of being found out, which, if it were to come to light that they've been manipulating scores, would mean lawsuits aplenty from the gambling venues and a huge loss in viewership, leading to a loss in network money and possibly more lawsuits from them. They would certainly lose sponsors. It could effectively destroy the NFL. And all it would take is one person out of the dozens (at the very least) in the know, to blow the whistle.

 

[Diehardblues]

They've already created all the parity they need through the salary cap and free agency. Other than integrity and fair play, there's also the risk of being found out, which, if it were to come to light that they've been manipulating scores, would mean lawsuits aplenty from the gambling venues and a huge loss in viewership, leading to a loss in network money and possibly more lawsuits from them. They would certainly lose sponsors. It could effectively destroy the NFL. And all it would take is one person out the dozens (at the very least) in the know, to blow the whistle.

But yet the Conspiracy Theorist want to believe the NFL would risk it all to throw a few games. It’s really mind boggling how little thought some fans put into this . All because of sour grapes over some questionable calls which could cost their team the game .

 

[Pola_pe_a]

So refs are manipulating games to keep people interested and make more profits?

Here’s the issue ratings don’t make the NFL, their money it’s made with TV deals that are negotiated well in advance. Manipulating games puts that money at risk.

Literally zero benefit for the NFL to do this.

 

[Vtwin]

I thought I laid it out pretty clearly.

The Bengals reaching the SB last season inspired a downtrodden fan base to significantly increase their consumption of various NFL products which are then split between every team including the Cowboys. This increased revenue will likely carry into to following seasons as the Bengals fans are now all in on this newfound window of success. That is revenue Jerry would not have received had the Bengals fanbase remained downtrodden.

The Cowboys are already at the top of the heap in drawing revenue. There is less room for them to further increase that revenue.

Am I missing something?