Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

[Redline360]

Just goes to show you putting up huge numbers and looking purely at stats at face value is not always z good idea

With the league becoming pass happy and quarterback friendly more records going to be falling in years to come. Evolution of the game

 

[Point-of-the-Star]

The FanZone in-groups :

1. The Anti Dak group. Don't really care if the Cowboys do well as long as Dak is purged from the team

2. The pro-Dak group. They bathe in Dak stats, that's the most important thing to them is their guy looking like an NFL QB

3. Then there's the Cowboy fan group. They know they have no real influence on the personnel on the team, they understand the FO pulls those strings, they just want to feel great at the end of the season and put a Lombardi on the shelf. They have opinions about players, they may voice some opinions, may complain about coaches and coaching decisions but that's not the end all of all. They also know that all the biching and insults hurled at other participants here is just plain dumb. Their observations don't really put them in either of the 1st 2 camps.

I was pretty much called a Dakastan and it was inferred that I must have been a a brand new Cowboy fan ("How long have you been a fan of this team?"). When I've been loyal to the team since 1966. WTH does that have to do with anything. I've probably been a fan longer that he's been using up atmospheric oxygen. I had said something positive about Prescott (I've also said negatives here before) so automatically I needed to be insulted. That person is participating in this thread and of course he never answered why my length of fandom was important or any other questions. Just a drive-by shooting.

When you start treating your fellow fans like an awesome person over stupid-azz personnel decisions because of their opinions might differ from yours then maybe you ought to up your meds or back away from the keyboard for a while and gain some balance.

I wish there was a DakZone ... so tired of you who make the QB more important than this community of fans or even the team.

 

[Rockport]

I have seen the same. It’s just a tricky thing on where the blame lies. I agree that if it hits them in the hands then they should catch it. But some of these drops that the WR is running across and Dak throws it behind them and at full speed he is trying to reach back with one hand grab the ball and keep moving and not get hit, that’s not a catch that’s gonna be made a lot and I think the blame should be shared. Now I saw some that was just straight drops.

No doubt he was off on some passes as are all QB's from time to time. Having a 320lb lineman chasing you will get any QB anxious.

 

[Proof]

So Romo and those other QB's didnt have any drops from their wr's ????
Also they stated the same thing 3 times in different ways lol. About the franchise record.

I guess if it is all about stat records, then dak is doing pretty good!

About the drops, I imagine those include any pass touched by a wr?
So if dak throws high or behind or too low, and the guy touches it , it is a drop lol

To me those are bad passes and that means 392 bad passes? Although I am sure a few were actual drops.

The thing is stats can be used both ways, to make dak look good or bad. But Stats dont win games or lead to SB's.
Tony was good at stats too, but never got past the div round. That tells me you have to look at other things besides stats.

And I will also add as others have pointed out , a lot of daks yds came in 5 games against the hapless giants, Commanders, and miami.
and other games were garbage yds.
Of the 8 wins last season, 5 were against guess who? lol the hapless teams above. the other 3 teams were eagles detroit and rams, the only
decent teams the cowboys beat.
But somehow dak had a great season?? man that is some crazy logic lol.

you are not good at this.

 

[glimmerman]

No doubt he was off on some passes as are all QB's from time to time. Having a 320lb lineman chasing you will get any QB anxious.

I for sure would have happy feet. And ALL QB misses passes or throws them a bit off. And most all WR drop some easy catches. Some are just drops and some hear that 200-215 pound safety coming and get butter fingers.

 

[Hardline]

Dak's accuracy issues improve and the dropped passes problem gets better.

 

[Future]

I would trade yards for consistency! I keep seeing this mental picture of that Colts game and Jarwin was wide open and Dak missed him well short by like 10 yards. Thats worse than missing an uncontested layup. He did the same thing with Beasley in the flat in 2016. He had a game where his mechanics went haywire and he couldnt throw the ball 20 yards while not moving his feet. Ive just never seen a NFL QB who looks so amateur at times.

Now do every quarterback.

This happens to all of them. Every single one.

 

[StuckMojo]

Some QBs throw a more catchable ball than others. Don’t know if that is the case with Dak but I would like to see less drops and more passes hitting receivers in stride.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

I wonder how much Prescotts PR dept is paying him and the rest of the Dak-Trolls to sell sell sell the greatness of Dak here daily???
It must be plenty!

P.S. Correct they are NOT Cowboy fans that's pretty obvious with anyone with half a brain.

I keep on wondering...why if he's so great/elite..etc etc etc the Cowboys haven't locked him up to a long term deal yet, i can't think of any other Elite/franchise QB in history other than Cousins who ever got the tag, oh wait Cousins isn't really Elite is he...ahhh now it makes sense

 

[Future]

Some of those drops were from passes that were off but WR got a hand on it.

It is complete bull. It is true for every QB as much, if not more, than Dak.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Would he still be 3rd if those QB's on the list could add up all their "dropped passes" too?

It's a cool and dumb thing to think about.

None of those QBs' teams led the league in dropped passes like the Cowboys did last year. Not even close. Very easy to figure out. Cool but a dumb thing to think about, eh?

 

[conner01]

The excessive drops are definitely something whereby the new Dallas WRs coach must get our WRs to concentrate better!

Maybe a swift kick in the rump would help to convince 'em to concentrate on securing the ball before prematurely relaxing?!

I've heard in the past that a coach would make an RB carry the ball with him everywhere. Would it be likely to work with a WR?

Drops are mental
You see some guys have the problem their whole career and some have issues they fix
Because it’s mental I think accountability is a key motivator to fixing the issue

 

[glimmerman]

It is complete bull. It is true for every QB as much, if not more, than Dak.

What do you mean. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

 

[Future]

Six drops by Zeke - no bad throws

12 drops by Cobb - 1 questionable (NE)

How about the drop by Gallup at the end of this clip. Catch the ball and Dallas probably beats Philly. Was that a bad throw? These drops are horrible.


Any critique of "dAk'S aCcUrAcY cAuSeS dRoPs" is stupid. It is entirely distanced from what actually happens

 

[Trendnet]

Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

• By Brad Crawford
• Jun 8, 2020 at 7:50 am ET • 1 min read

Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott last fall enjoyed a career-best season, one that would've been even better had his receivers held onto the football. According to Pro Football Focus, Prescott led the NFL in air yards lost on dropped passes with 392 thanks to a group of receivers that were wildly-inconsistent when targeted.

Prescott finished with a career-high 4,902 passing yards (1 yard shy of tying Tony Romo's franchise single season passing yards record...and 2 yards shy of breaking it), nearly breaking the all-time single-season franchise record and has used that production as a primary strength during the negotiation process this offseason. Cowboys wideout Michael Gallup ranked second in the league with 11 drops on 113 targets while Randall Cobb in the slot tied for sixth with eight drops on 83 targets.

These numbers prove Prescott would in fact be considered among the league's elite under center if his supporting cast did a better job of holding up their end of the bargain.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alarming-stat-downplays-dak-prescotts-passing-ability/
via: cbssports

If one adds those 392 air yards lost (due to Cowboys WRs leading the league in drops in 2019) to Dak's career-high 4,902 passing yards, that would have increased his total to 5,294 yards: roughly 5,300 passing in 2019...by far the highest single season Cowboys franchise passing record and without a doubt an elite passer throughout the league. It also would have landed Dak with the 3rd highest single season passing yards ever in NFL history:

Current NFL Top 10 highest single season passing records:

1 Peyton Manning (37) 5,477 2013 DEN
2 Drew Brees (32) 5,476 2011 NOR
3 Tom Brady (34) 5,235 2011 NWE
4 Drew Brees (37) 5,208 2016 NOR
5 Drew Brees (33) 5,177 2012 NOR
6 Drew Brees (34) 5,162 2013 NOR
7 Ben Roethlisberger (36) 5,129 2018 PIT
8 Jameis Winston (25) 5,109 2019 TAM
9 Patrick Mahomes (22) 5,097 2018 KAN
10 Dan Marino+ (22) 5,084 1984 MIA

No wonder Dak at age 26 (entering his prime) is holding out for top overall QB pay. He's only going to get better under new Head Coach Mike McCarthy and his pro-passer QB system.


How Bout Them Cowboys!

Do the quarterbacks on this list get the benefit of "air yards lost" due to drops or does only Dak get the benefit of imaginary stats?

 

[Future]

What do you mean. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Your point is bull. If you are going to say that drops are because of inaccurate passes, then that is true for every quarterback and Dak is no "worse" than others, in that regard. The drops last year had nothing to do with ball placement.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The FanZone in-groups :

1. The Anti Dak group. Don't really care if the Cowboys do well as long as Dak is purged from the team

2. The pro-Dak group. They bathe in Dak stats, that's the most important thing to them is their guy looking like an NFL QB

3. Then there's the Cowboy fan group. They know they have no real influence on the personnel on the team, they understand the FO pulls those strings, they just want to feel great at the end of the season and put a Lombardi on the shelf. They have opinions about players, they may voice some opinions, may complain about coaches and coaching decisions but that's not the end all of all. They also know that all the biching and insults hurled at other participants here is just plain dumb. Their observations don't really put them in either of the 1st 2 camps.

I was pretty much called a Dakastan and it was inferred that I must have been a a brand new Cowboy fan ("How long have you been a fan of this team?"). When I've been loyal to the team since 1966. WTH does that have to do with anything. I've probably been a fan longer that he's been using up atmospheric oxygen. I had said something positive about Prescott (I've also said negatives here before) so automatically I needed to be insulted. That person is participating in this thread and of course he never answered why my length of fandom was important or any other questions. Just a drive-by shooting.

When you start treating your fellow fans like an awesome person over stupid-azz personnel decisions because of their opinions might differ from yours then maybe you ought to up your meds or back away from the keyboard for a while and gain some balance.

I wish there was a DakZone ... so tired of you who make the QB more important than this community of fans or even the team.

Totally agree, except for your very last sentence. It's hard not to talk about the QB since he's the most important player on most teams, handles the football the most, is at most times the leader of the team and takes as much of the blame for losses as he does wins. There is absolutely nothing wrong with praising your QB as much as you do your team, especially when both are good. It's the haters of the QB who have gone off the rails, and obviously their constant daily hate has affected a few posters.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Do the quarterbacks on this list get the benefit of "air yards lost" due to drops or does only Dak get the benefit of imaginary stats?

All QBs get that benefit. I'm simply sharing this article since it concerns the Cowboys QB. Anyone is free to do their own research on any other team's QB.

 

[basel90]

Alarming stat downplays Dak Prescott's passing ability

• By Brad Crawford
• Jun 8, 2020 at 7:50 am ET • 1 min read

Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott last fall enjoyed a career-best season, one that would've been even better had his receivers held onto the football. According to Pro Football Focus, Prescott led the NFL in air yards lost on dropped passes with 392 thanks to a group of receivers that were wildly-inconsistent when targeted.

Prescott finished with a career-high 4,902 passing yards (1 yard shy of tying Tony Romo's franchise single season passing yards record...and 2 yards shy of breaking it), nearly breaking the all-time single-season franchise record and has used that production as a primary strength during the negotiation process this offseason. Cowboys wideout Michael Gallup ranked second in the league with 11 drops on 113 targets while Randall Cobb in the slot tied for sixth with eight drops on 83 targets.

These numbers prove Prescott would in fact be considered among the league's elite under center if his supporting cast did a better job of holding up their end of the bargain.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/alarming-stat-downplays-dak-prescotts-passing-ability/
via: cbssports

If one adds those 392 air yards lost (due to Cowboys WRs leading the league in drops in 2019) to Dak's career-high 4,902 passing yards, that would have increased his total to 5,294 yards: roughly 5,300 passing in 2019...by far the highest single season Cowboys franchise passing record and without a doubt an elite passer throughout the league. It also would have landed Dak with the 3rd highest single season passing yards ever in NFL history:

Current NFL Top 10 highest single season passing records:

1 Peyton Manning (37) 5,477 2013 DEN
2 Drew Brees (32) 5,476 2011 NOR
3 Tom Brady (34) 5,235 2011 NWE
4 Drew Brees (37) 5,208 2016 NOR
5 Drew Brees (33) 5,177 2012 NOR
6 Drew Brees (34) 5,162 2013 NOR
7 Ben Roethlisberger (36) 5,129 2018 PIT
8 Jameis Winston (25) 5,109 2019 TAM
9 Patrick Mahomes (22) 5,097 2018 KAN
10 Dan Marino+ (22) 5,084 1984 MIA

No wonder Dak at age 26 (entering his prime) is holding out for top overall QB pay. He's only going to get better under new Head Coach Mike McCarthy and his pro-passer QB system.


How Bout Them Cowboys!

false selective stats. meaningless . otherwise why is winston out of a job . he has 5109 yards

 

[Irvin88_4life]

duh...………………...yah but its all hollow stats because we went 8-8. Duh, and if Dak had just hit Tavon Austin. Duh!!!!!!

But those same folks brag on Dalton with his 1 TD and 6 INTs in the playoffs and well below 8-8 record for multiple years on top of having 16 TDs and 14 INTs last year.......