All Jerry hate...

[dadymat]

There are a goodly number of people who do the analyzing of football talent. The team has a board meeting and each presents their case.

Jerry makes the final decision.

That has been said so many times by people in the organization, people who have been in the organization including Switzer, and people in the Landry organization, specifically Gill Brandt.

So J.J. Watt is an example. There was someone telling the GM this is the guy they need to draft. But someone else was more persuasive about the offensive line.

Now I have no issue with Tyron. But in the big scheme of things, and considering the offensive line play, and a big dose of after the fact, the team may have been better off taking Watt.

But the person who did the scouting put a bug in Jerry's ear and HE made the decision on Smith .

No one has ever disputed Jerry listens to all, then he makes the call.

Except a few that want to argue in favor of the now fifteen years of mediocrity since the *influence* of Jimmy Johnson and his talent eye left Valley Ranch.

* influence, meaning players Jimmy and his staff selected.

in the same dimension, his scouts and Coaches were against Aikman, Emmitt and Ware..glad Jerry had final say, arent you?.....and probably others...its organizational decisions.....

do you really think Belichick signed Moss without Krafts approval..?....or Coughlin didnt run signing Mart B by Mara?.....or that maybe Elway discussed manning with Bowlin prior to signing him?.......

 

[Doomsay]

So then Garrett is directly responsible for this OL disaster?
Can't have it both ways


See, this is the true beauty of this "group decision making"farce
Everyone is involved so everyone is responsible

Therefore, no one is responsible because "we were all involved"

Near perfect excuse

Well done

That's akin to the "play calling not being the problem, " it's the lack of execution by the players (who were picked by the play caller).

 

[TwoDeep3]

in the same dimension, his scouts and Coaches were against Aikman, Emmitt and Ware..glad Jerry had final say, arent you?.....and probably others...its organizational decisions.....

do you really think Belichick signed Moss without Krafts approval..?....or Coughlin didnt run signing Mart B by Mara?.....or that maybe Elway discussed manning with Bowlin prior to signing him?.......

Well, I have no idea where you got your information about Aikman and Emmitt.

But it is a known fact Jimmy was the player personnel man back in the day. He did bring in Walsh because of familiarity, but put that idea aside. And if you have ever heard him speak about the Emmitt issue, then you would know he was down right shocked that Emmitt was falling in the draft. So much so he moved up to get him. His intent was a linebacker that went to the Bengals, but pulled the trigger on Emmitt.

Jerry had the best seat in the house when Jimmy built the Super Bowl teams.

Ware is another issue, and I do give Jerry credit for rubber stamping that pick.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The OL is the last piece of the puzzle and only the purposely blind deny that.

Well I am not blind and I think this team needs a nose tackle and a defensive end and an outside linebacker, as well.

 

[wileedog]

There's a video I saw recently that blows you guys theories away. Hell, what does that matter? Did Rob Ryan praise Jerry for the talent he acquired to fill in for injuries.

Purposely obtuse is your "reality." Enjoy it.

Must be all the winning that is confusing us.

 

[Wolfpack]

Its like a special needs program in here. The stupid and stubborn people defending the **** head Jerry Jones is so sad.

 

[Wolfpack]

Of course they do. Dude, Jeffrey Lurie didn't give the okay to sign Mike Vick until his wife was okay with it.

Why do you believe a stupid fairy tale that these guys invest hundreds of millions of dollars to have no say? That's stupid.

Tell us what team would hire the esteemed GM Jerry Jones?

Not a single NFL team would. He is trash and he keeps the people who might be doing an actual GM job from being successful.

Not one team would even look at JJ as a GM.

 

[Vanilla2]

Tell us what team would hire the esteemed GM Jerry Jones?

Not a single NFL team would. He is trash and he keeps the people who might be doing an actual GM job from being successful.

Not one team would even look at JJ as a GM.

Does it matter which team would or wouldn't hire Jerry.

Jerry is the OWNER he can do whatever he damn well pleases with his team.

I just think this whole argument is pointless.

Maybe y'all are just venting or maybe you really want a change.

But what are YOU doing to help make a change?

 

[dadymat]

Well, I have no idea where you got your information about Aikman and Emmitt.

But it is a known fact Jimmy was the player personnel man back in the day. He did bring in Walsh because of familiarity, but put that idea aside. And if you have ever heard him speak about the Emmitt issue, then you would know he was down right shocked that Emmitt was falling in the draft. So much so he moved up to get him. His intent was a linebacker that went to the Bengals, but pulled the trigger on Emmitt.

Jerry had the best seat in the house when Jimmy built the Super Bowl teams.

Ware is another issue, and I do give Jerry credit for rubber stamping that pick.

i stand corrected.....you are right .......

but i still stand by the point i was trying to make.....that decisions are and have always been organizational decisions..

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Final decisions and personnel analysis are 2 different things. Sorry you can't grasp that.

Is that even a debate? Nobody here believes Jerry is actually sitting in the film room analyzing the personnel. He is however, making the decision (for the most part) on which personnel gets selected. THAT is the problem.

Your "GM is just a title" talking point doesn't hold water with me. If that were the case, and Ciskowski was basically our de facto GM, then he never would have interviewed with Indianapolis last year. It's more than just a title. It's specific power and responsibilities Ciskowski obviously wants that he isn't getting here.

What it really boils down to isn't even necessarily who's making the decision in the war room on our fifth-round pick. The real issue is who sets the direction for the franchise. That's Jerry. He might not break down every single pick, but he ultimately sets the table for what the picks are going to be. He did it in 2000 with our CB draft. He did it in 2009 with our "special teams draft". He decided to trade draft picks for Joey Galloway and Roy Williams. He "liked what he saw" in our O-line this year, which I would bet is largely the reason we did so little to address that unit.

I mean, I look at a team like Seattle today and I just clearly see an identity. Pete Carroll and John Schneider have been there THREE YEARS and you can see the direction that team is headed. Physical, fast and cocky/confident defense. Tough, ground-it-out offense. It's an NFL carbon copy of Carroll's early USC teams and it only took them three years. We're going on 20 years since Jimmy left and I don't really see a blueprint for this organization. Offensively or defensively. What the hell are we? Do you know? I sure don't. I doubt Jerry does. Unfortunately, he's the one whose job it is to make that decision.

 

[dadymat]

He "liked what he saw" in our O-line this year, which I would bet is largely the reason we did so little to address that unit.

I mean, I look at a team like Seattle today and I just clearly see an identity. Pete Carroll and John Schneider have been there THREE YEARS and you can see the direction that team is headed.

our tackles and center were playing reasonably well at the end of last season, i dont think it was too far fetched to think that we could have rotated a serviceable interior unit and get by considering how well our QB is at escaping pressure, not saying it wasnt a severe problem....just that the defense was a bigger need at the time.....
and that leads to the second statement you made referring to Seattle and Pete carroll, this is his third full season......this is Garretts second season.....carroll went 7-9 both his first 2 seasons....garrett went 8-8 both his first seasons......without all the injiuries we would have won at least 1 maybe 2 more games......so why the praise for Carroll for taking 3 seasons, but not willing to give Garrett his time?

 

[DOUBLE WING]

our tackles and center were playing reasonably well at the end of last season, i dont think it was too far fetched to think that we could have rotated a serviceable interior unit and get by considering how well our QB is at escaping pressure, not saying it wasnt a severe problem....just that the defense was a bigger need at the time.....
and that leads to the second statement you made referring to Seattle and Pete carroll, this is his third full season......this is Garretts second season.....carroll went 7-9 both his first 2 seasons....garrett went 8-8 both his first seasons......without all the injiuries we would have won at least 1 maybe 2 more games......so why the praise for Carroll for taking 3 seasons, but not willing to give Garrett his time?

What? Free and Costa were awful last year. Maybe they showed a bright spot or two toward the end of the season, but come on.

As for the second point, I'm of the belief that Garrett has had a prominent role in the direction of the organization for six years now. So that's quite a bit different than Pete Carroll coming in and completely turning the Seahawks on their head in three years.

 

[dadymat]

What? Free and Costa were awful last year. Maybe they showed a bright spot or two toward the end of the season, but come on.

As for the second point, I'm of the belief that Garrett has had a prominent role in the direction of the organization for six years now. So that's quite a bit different than Pete Carroll coming in and completely turning the Seahawks on their head in three years.

Costa and Free were playing well above average at the end of last season, and Garrett has not had a prominent role of this organization for 6 years...thats way off.....wade chose his guys, his schedule , his players and his rules.....garrett has had to clean house and impliment his own schedules , rules and guys.....

 

[Doomsay]

Must be all the winning that is confusing us.

:laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I saw yesterday the Bengals game and specially how Newman tackled during the game and of course I know and see all the hate for Jerry Jones because of team failures year after year. Why Newman always looked like "crystal" when he played for us?

Jerry Jones is a great owner and of course he likes to handle all the personal decisions, he's a players owner as he seems to help them a lot but what I'm seeing its that players just don't respond to all what the owner do for them.

I love what Jerry Jones do because he wants to win all the time, he like to spend money and always try the best. I like his passion and I hope players can, in someway, respond him and of course we, the fans, the same way and with the passion our owner and the fan base has.

I think most of our players just don't understand what it is and how it feel to be a Cowboy fan. As the way Newman has been played and tackled for the Bengals just show me that. I understand he was injured sometimes but we always looked so worried of him because of an injury to happen... That doesn't seem good to see him tackling the way he did yesterday.

I wish we can have more players like Witten which seems to understand and perform at the highest level all the time.

But I hope we never have an owner with no passion and the heart Jerry Jones has. We need players to respond him and of course to respond us, the fans.

Go Cowboys!

I think Jerry take a lot more heat sometimes than need be. He is not coaching the team and he has brought a lot of talent in and he pays them well. He is giving the coaches what they need and what they ask for it is the coaches job to make it work. I like Garrett and I hope he can get this team turned around but there is enough talent on this team to win with it is a matter of the coaching staff getting them over the hump. Jerry did his part

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Costa and Free were playing well above average at the end of last season, and Garrett has not had a prominent role of this organization for 6 years...thats way off.....wade chose his guys, his schedule , his players and his rules.....garrett has had to clean house and impliment his own schedules , rules and guys.....

I refuse to believe that as Assistant Head Coach and obvious head coach in waiting that Garrett didn't have a heavy hand in personnel decisions, at least on offense, since joining the team.

 

[jesusdlg]

I think Jerry take a lot more heat sometimes than need be. He is not coaching the team and he has brought a lot of talent in and he pays them well. He is giving the coaches what they need and what they ask for it is the coaches job to make it work. I like Garrett and I hope he can get this team turned around but there is enough talent on this team to win with it is a matter of the coaching staff getting them over the hump. Jerry did his part

I totally agree with this. I really hope that coaches can make it happen with the team. We, the fans, and the owner want it and need it.

Having an owner like Jerry will always tell us that he'll try his best. It might work or not, but he cares about it and I'm sure he does his part.

 

[Doomsday101]

I totally agree with this. I really hope that coaches can make it happen with the team. We, the fans, and the owner want it and need it.

Having an owner like Jerry will always tell us that he'll try his best. It might work or not, but he cares about it and I'm sure he does his part.

I think so I would also say they have made mistakes on players so does everyone else. I think there is talent on this team and it falls to the coaches to get the most out of it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not the "Jerry isn't really responsible" argument again...

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Once upon a time Jerrys' Kids won a Super Bowl with a Team that could actually lead itself, he's been trying to let the team lead itself every since.

Jones has been sleeping in a slumber like Rumple Stilskin for 17 years, never realizing how much of an exception to the rule that 1995 Dallas Cowboys Squad really was.