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[DallasEast]

If you need me. I'll be in sickbay, with a...headache.

Nurse Ogawa will be taking your vitals shortly... :cunning:

 

[DallasEast]

(Enterprise) The Expanse

http://www.cbs.com/classics/star_trek_enterprise/video/?pid=apV_aEXFzrZT7MQB6yysm53J9O3ozVkg

Warning: This is a link to the complete episode. I couldn't find a clip from the episode on YouTube.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Okay. I'm moving well outside my element.

Strike through all my previous comments. I'll go with, "Those Klingons are real darn industrious, aren't they?"

It's time for you to consult the oracle of all knowledge: Wiki.

In truth, the whole Multiverse idea is just a way of getting around some of the design paradoxes in the Universe. And I'll leave it at that lest it degrade quickly...

 

[CliffnDallas]

Nurse Ogawa will be taking your vitals shortly... :cunning:

Actually. I saw Dr. Selar...
http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v65/BigCinBigD/e6dfa223.jpg

 

[CowboyMike]

One problem with this:

Prior to sending the Enterprise C back in time, Captain Picard states that, if they are successful, the current timeline will "cease to exist." In BST, the separate timelines exist in infinity from the creation of the universe. They don't disappear. Consequently, the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline would've continued no matter what happened to the Enterprise C.

Okay. I'm moving well outside my element.

Strike through all my previous comments. I'll go with, "Those Klingons are real darn industrious, aren't they?"

I was watching this episode yesterday, in fact, and Tasha Yar specifically says "In this universe." or "In this time line", and I took it to mean they had accepted that it the Enterprise C had created a branching off timeline, but not necessarily replacing it.

In addition, if it was one linear timeline, the moment the Enterprise C went back through the portal, the Alternate Tasha Yar would have ceased to exist because she would have never existed in the first place. Instead, she continued to exist and became the mother of Sela.

The existence of Sela and the Alternate Tasha Yar in the primary timeline is proof that Alternate Tasha did in fact not only jump back in time, but also across quantum realities.

It's the same reason Prime Spock continues to exist completely unchanged even though Nero went through the wormhole and changed history. Nero created a different timeline. He did not alter the regular one.

 

[DallasEast]

Actually. I saw Dr. Selar...
http://img.***BLOCKED***/albums/v65/BigCinBigD/e6dfa223.jpg

I stand corrected. :wink2:

 

[DallasEast]

I was watching this episode yesterday, in fact, and Tasha Yar specifically says "In this universe." or "In this time line", and I took it to mean they had accepted that it the Enterprise C had created a branching off timeline, but not necessarily replacing it.

In addition, if it was one linear timeline, the moment the Enterprise C went back through the portal, the Alternate Tasha Yar would have ceased to exist because she would have never existed in the first place. Instead, she continued to exist and became the mother of Sela.

The existence of Sela and the Alternate Tasha Yar in the primary timeline is proof that Alternate Tasha did in fact not only jump back in time, but also across quantum realities.

It's the same reason Prime Spock continues to exist completely unchanged even though Nero went through the wormhole and changed history. Nero created a different timeline. He did not alter the regular one.

Dang it if I haven't been schooled by The Most Interesting Man In The World!

:laugh2:

 

[CowboyMike]

Dang it if I haven't been schooled by The Most Interesting Man In The World!

:laugh2:

 

[ScipioCowboy]

According to some speculation, temporal paradoxes are possible as long as they're consistent.

For instance, it may be possible for me to travel back in time and give Einstein the Theory of Relativity before he's developed it even if I learned it from him. That's a paradox, but it's consistent. However, it's not possible for me to go back in time and kill my grandfather as a child. That's an inconsistent paradox.

 

[CowboyMike]

According to some speculation, temporal paradoxes are possible as long as they're consistent.

For instance, it may be possible for me to travel back in time and give Einstein the Theory of Relativity before he's developed it even if I learned it from him. That's a paradox, but it's consistent. However, it's not possible for me to go back in time and kill my grandfather as a child. That's an inconsistent paradox.

The theory of alternate quantum realities would allow an inconsistent paradox, because in one timeline your grandfather would continue to live on in order to lead to your birth. Whereas you traveling back in time and killing your grandfather would create a branching off reality where you never existed.

The original reality would still be intact. You'd just create an alternate reality to run parallel to the original one.

 

[CowboyMike]

Also, may I just say that I think it's awesome that a Star Trek thread made it 12 pages in less than two days on a Sports forum. I'm kind of bummed that I missed most of it because I was kind out out of touch yesterday.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The theory of alternate quantum realities would allow an inconsistent paradox, because in one timeline your grandfather would continue to live on in order to lead to your birth. Whereas you traveling back in time and killing your grandfather would create a branching off reality where you never existed.

The original reality would still be intact. You'd just create an alternate reality to run parallel to the original one.

Yes, I understand this, hence my previous discussion of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.

But Picard seems to imply that the alternate timeline will cease to exist if the Enterprise C is successful. He's talking about the ability to change his present circumstances based on traveling back in time. That's not MWI. MWI dictates that a new timeline is created but that your circumstances would remain the same.

Star Trek has been anything but consistent in its depiction of time travel.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but all series of Star Trek are available on Netflix online for streaming. The movies haven't made it yet, although the newest version was up for awhile but it's not available anymore online.

 

[CowboyMike]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but all series of Star Trek are available on Netflix online for streaming. The movies haven't made it yet, although the newest version was up for awhile but it's not available anymore online.

It is playing on FX though. It's on at least once a week.

What was everyone's opinion on the new movie? I thought it was just what the franchise needed. Very excited for the sequel.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It is playing on FX though. It's on at least once a week.

What was everyone's opinion on the new movie? I thought it was just what the franchise needed. Very excited for the sequel.

I already asked this question earlier. I loved the movie and was quite pissed that they took so long to start making the next one. I bought it the second it came out on BluRay.

 

[CliffnDallas]

What was everyone's opinion on the new movie? I thought it was just what the franchise needed. Very excited for the sequel.

J.J. Abrams should spend eternity tied to a dead Cardassian having his eyes eaten out by a rabid Targ.

 

[CashMan]

J.J. Abrams should spend eternity tied to a dead Cardassian having his eyes eaten out by a rabid Targ.

Why? It was a new direction for an old Trek series, for a new generation. If you go and rewatch TOS, it really was not that good of a series, it was just the 1st of its kind.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why? It was a new direction for an old Trek series, for a new generation. If you go and rewatch TOS, it really was not that good of a series, it was just the 1st of its kind.

Blasphemy! TOS was awesome. You are just trying to compare TV of the 1980s->2000s to a series recorded between 1966 and 1969.

I used to religiously stay up till 1am in the early 80s to watch the original Star Trek series when I was kid. Even if that meant sleeping in class! :laugh2:

IMO, it was *one of* the best series on TV even in the early 80s. (even though they were only reruns)

 

[CashMan]

Blasphemy! TOS was awesome. You are just trying to compare TV of the 1980s->2000s to a series recorded between 1966 and 1969.

I used to religiously stay up till 1am in the early 80s to watch the original Star Trek series when I was kid. Even if that meant sleeping in class! :laugh2:

IMO, it was *one of* the best series on TV even in the early 80s. (even though they were only reruns)

I will give you nostalgia, but it was not the be all end all of the ST universe. TNG is light years in front of it, IMO. I do enjoy the TOS movies except #1 and #5, but Shatner is a terrible actor.

 

[DallasEast]

Why? It was a new direction for an old Trek series, for a new generation. If you go and rewatch TOS, it really was not that good of a series, it was just the 1st of its kind.

Forget phasers. This calls for a Varon-T disruptor... :grrr: