All22 review Jonathan Cooper

[Ranching]

I reviewed all of his snaps from week 16 (Chargers) and week 14 (Bengals).

Overall he looked really good. He is strong and athletic and knows how to play the position.

There are some areas where he needs polish. On pulls he shows really good speed to get to the defender but he tends to be out of control when he gets there. There were a couple of snaps where his reaction was slightly delayed but that happens to most OL on occasion.

He showed the strength and quickness to deal with defenders one on one in both pass and run blocking. He was really good about help blocking the Center and then kicking over to help the OT or vice-versa which showed both good feet and awareness.

He looked much better than I expected considering that he keeps getting cut.

I didn't focus too much on the other side of the line, but the guy they had at LG (Cooper was at RG) didn't appear to be as good a Cooper. Their other Guard is Alvin Bailey. I've reviewed him in the past when he was with Seattle and I'm not sure that he is better than Cooper.

My guess is that Cooper asked them to release him if he was not going to start in week 17.

From Cleveland's perspective, they have Alvin Bailey under contract through 2018 for 2M average. The guy that was playing LG is a rookie.

If his personality and work ethic clicks with our OL, he may really help us next year. Especially if we can't sign Leary.

 

[dallasdave]

Do you think he's good enough to replace Free for next year?

 

[dallasdave]

If his personality and work ethic clicks with our OL, he may really help us next year. Especially if we can't sign Leary.

Double DWill provide with good support.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not here to educate any of you or even define the term stupid for you. That's what you *should* have went to school for. If you don't like what I say and it bothers you that much, ignore me. Otherwise shut the **** up.

As for Fuzzy I will go ahead with the definition. There is a different between Intellect and Wisdom. Without one, (Wisdom) you're stupid. Without the other (Intellect) you're ignorant. I stand by my statement. Collins is stupid. Whether he has any intellect remains to be seen.

You can think what you like. I am speaking to an objective standard that we can all observe and agree on.

The key to me is whether or not one can learn from one's experience and improve. That is what defines intellect in my book. Wisdom is more about accumulated knowledge.

Certainly age lends to wisdom but that does not mean this round of youth suddenly is not going to learn from their mistakes.

The sports cliche is that it is easier to reign in overaggresive behavior than it is to inspire the timid btw.

 

[gmoney112]

I'm not here to educate any of you or even define the term stupid for you. That's what you *should* have went to school for. If you don't like what I say and it bothers you that much, ignore me. Otherwise shut the **** up.

As for Fuzzy I will go ahead with the definition. There is a different between Intellect and Wisdom. Without one, (Wisdom) you're stupid. Without the other (Intellect) you're ignorant. I stand by my statement. Collins is stupid. Whether he has any intellect remains to be seen.

Sounds like you lack both.

 

[yimyammer]

dumb*** Collins

first I've heard of this, when was this edict passed down from on high?

 

[xwalker]

If his personality and work ethic clicks with our OL, he may really help us next year. Especially if we can't sign Leary.

I do wonder if there is an issue with he personality. I expected to see some problems with his on-field ability due to 3 teams dumping him, but I just didn't see any (on-field) reason for it.

 

[conner01]

I am bummed they didnt sign him for atleast 2 years, now we will be stuck with Looney as a backup.

Free look for a few weeks to see if we want to sign him
Looney will still be the backup because he plays center

 

[jrumann59]

I think he is jumping to a conclusion. Colliins obviously has talent but his play has been inconsistent. He didn't step in and become an instant Pro Bowler like Martin. The mistakes that Collins makes are generally mental not physical.

I have no idea if he is a dummy, but I think that the above is the reason the poster has jumped to that conclusion. There is a possibility that he is correct, but I don't think we have sufficient evidence to know.

Yes everyone expected a pup that was changing positions to come in and be Zack Martin. Of course Leary is more polished Leary also has two years NFL experience on the pup. I think Collins is letting that chip on his shoulder control his play. Athletically I think Collins is only behind Smith, Ol wise when he is in there he is the 4th best ol.

 

[xwalker]

Free look for a few weeks to see if we want to sign him
Looney will still be the backup because he plays center

Cooper could likely play Center but it's not in his best interest to do it at this point. If he can play Center, that makes it more likely that a team like the Cowboys would keep him as a backup. At his age (26) he will want to push for a staring job somewhere. It was similar with Leary. I don't know if Leary was really a good fit to ever player Center but it was not really in his best interest to do it because it would make it that much easier for the Cowboys to keep him as a backup.

 

[xwalker]

Yes everyone expected a pup that was changing positions to come in and be Zack Martin. Of course Leary is more polished Leary also has two years NFL experience on the pup. I think Collins is letting that chip on his shoulder control his play. Athletically I think Collins is only behind Smith, Ol wise when he is in there he is the 4th best ol.

Fans got spoiled with Martin, Fred and Tyron. The all acclimated to the NFL very quickly, especially Martin. Even Larry Allen was not a starter out of the gate and only got pushed into a starting role as a rookie because of the Erik Williams car wreck. OLinemen normally take time to develop.

 

[gmoney112]

Cooper could likely play Center but it's not in his best interest to do it at this point. If he can play Center, that makes it more likely that a team like the Cowboys would keep him as a backup. At his age (26) he will want to push for a staring job somewhere. It was similar with Leary. I don't know if Leary was really a good fit to ever player Center but it was not really in his best interest to do it because it would make it that much easier for the Cowboys to keep him as a backup.

Yeah, and the thing is, no one's going to give Cooper a big contract even if he wants to start. I think he's more apt to start being open to the idea of versatility considering he was almost sitting at home the rest of the season after he was cut.

No place to get right like Dallas. If he turns out to be decent, that's quite a coup on the OL. I hope he does.

 

[TheCount]

he is far smarter than dumb*** Collins.

Say what, now

 

[YosemiteSam]

Say what, now

Fat people?

 

[Stash]

Yeah, and the thing is, no one's going to give Cooper a big contract even if he wants to start. I think he's more apt to start being open to the idea of versatility considering he was almost sitting at home the rest of the season after he was cut.

No place to get right like Dallas. If he turns out to be decent, that's quite a coup on the OL. I hope he does.

That's the way I see it too. If he's as smart as he appears, he'll realize where his career stands and have the necessary humility about that. I don't think he's in much of a position to 'refuse' anything. If he did, he'd only be showing ignorance about his circumstances and he doesn't strike me as that type.

But not only does he have the opportunity to be a versatile backup, he could take over for Leary as the starting left guard on this team depending on how things work out. And there's nit a better place to resurrect your career than playing for the Dallas Cowboys between Pro Bowl Left Tackle Tyron Smith and Pro Bowl Center Travis Fredrick.

I give Cooper enough intelligence and credit to realize that.

 

[conner01]

Cooper could likely play Center but it's not in his best interest to do it at this point. If he can play Center, that makes it more likely that a team like the Cowboys would keep him as a backup. At his age (26) he will want to push for a staring job somewhere. It was similar with Leary. I don't know if Leary was really a good fit to ever player Center but it was not really in his best interest to do it because it would make it that much easier for the Cowboys to keep him as a backup.

Do you know if he has ever played center?
Just curious
Certainly enough talent to take a look at even if it's just for the playoffs

 

[gmoney112]

That's the way I see it too. If he's as smart as he appears, he'll realize where his career stands and have the necessary humility about that. I don't think he's in much of a position to 'refuse' anything. If he did, he'd only be showing ignorance about his circumstances and he doesn't strike me as that type.

But not only does he have the opportunity to be a versatile backup, he could take over for Leary as the starting left guard on this team depending on how things work out. And there's nit a better place to resurrect your career than playing for the Dallas Cowboys between Pro Bowl Left Tackle Tyron Smith and Pro Bowl Center Travis Fredrick.

I give Cooper enough intelligence and credit to realize that.

Yeah, even if he isn't that intelligent, if he's just looking to cash in the next few years while he's in his prime (good OL can usually play a while), then you gotta imagine he's probably thinking working with the most talented group in the league will get him there over anywhere else. He signed with the Browns for under 500k. That's funny.

 

[coult44]

I believe I read that Cleveland would be docked a late round compensatory pick if they kept Cooper for one more game. May explain why they cut him.

Not me, I believe Jerry and Stephen worked a back room deal...

 

[Stash]

Yeah, even if he isn't that intelligent, if he's just looking to cash in the next few years while he's in his prime (good OL can usually play a while), then you gotta imagine he's probably thinking working with the most talented group in the league will get him there over anywhere else. He signed with the Browns for under 500k. That's funny.

I thought he was claimed off of waivers?

 

[Stash]

Do you know if he has ever played center?
Just curious
Certainly enough talent to take a look at even if it's just for the playoffs

From researching him, he's played a little of it. Never started there in the pros as far as I know, but he was working at it with the Cardinals before they traded him to New England. From that point on, Andrew with Cleveland, I think he strictly played guard.