Allen & Melton Super hot merge thread

[CashMan]

Jared Allen is not Manning.

exactly, so why pay him like 7-10 mill a year for 8-8? you can say you wouldn't but that is what he is looking for.

 

[cowboys1981]

I doubt we land both, but it would be a heckuva pull if we did. Land a premium DLineman in the draft and suddenly we have a solid rotational DLine core.

Indeed!! Draft some DL as well and we're off to a great start. Lets hope we get them both.

 

[Wolf2k5]

You know if both are signed that would offer a great deal of flexibility in the draft. Can you say....trade down...?

I was just being sarcastic. But I'm just afraid that unless they have backs against the wall they won't draft defensively if a guy like Evans drops to us. They will claim the D is fixed.

If we could afford both for shorter deals and still draft as if we hadn't signed them I would be ecstatic. Trade down and get Oregon St DE and pick up a third and if do backflips

 

[xwalker]

Ok color me crazy, drinking the koolaid, or just a die hard fan but if JJ somehow figures a way to sign both these guys I must admit this alone will bring some much needed optimism for this season. After the last 13 plus years of mediocritity it doesnt take much either. Will be interesting to see what the next 24 hrs bring.

I would prefer to just sign Melton. They can use the money saved by not signed Allen to overpay Melton if necessary. They should be building the team to peak in 2015 and Melton can be a big part of that; however, Allen will be 33 by then.

 

[Silver N Blue]

you saw what teebow did, was replaced by manning and actually had an offense. as for the triplets, you are comparing salary cap era to no salary cap or early stages of it, and an nfl where running the ball was a staple where passing is that now.

Not comparing salaries, FA, or anything other than a HOF player. You need a solid team in all three phases to win in this league imo.

 

[DCBoysfan]

0% chance he takes that deal. And tuck got 2 year 11 mill I believe.

Two years 11 Million that will work, that is what the market has been set at. Or he waits untill training camps start for injuries.

 

[yentl911]

To be honest I don't think Allen and Melton are any better than Hatcher and Ware. I guess we would be lucky to get them if they are cheaper but I don't expect any better results. It might be a long year again on D I'm afraid. Come on draft!!!

 

[Bowdown27]

Two years 11 Million that will work, that is what the market has been set at. Or he waits untill training camps start for injuries.

Allen is gonna look at peppers and ware deals

 

[CowboysLaw87]

To be honest I don't think Allen and Melton are any better than Hatcher and Ware. I guess we would be lucky to get them if they are cheaper but I don't expect any better results. It might be a long year again on D I'm afraid. Come on draft!!!

Maybe not, but Melton for 5 years at a high level is better than Hatcher for 2, if we're thinking long term. Also, a lot of guys would be better than the 2013 DeMarcus Ware. Of course the projection is that he'd be much improved this coming season due to better health, but Jared Allen would almost certainly be better than the Ware we had last season.

 

[CashMan]

Not comparing salaries, FA, or anything other than a HOF player. You need a solid team in all three phases to win in this league imo.

Not really, look at Drew Brees/Kurt Warners teams a couple years ago. HORRIBLE Defenses.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But they wouldn't have improved the team in FA. This would be akin to keeping Ware and resigning Hatcher. That's great but you didn't improve anything. The draft is happening one way or the other. What you did in FA was essentially a wash.

Unless you're a big fan of Jeremy Mincey and Terrell McClain.

I do think Mincey and McClain are better than the guys off the street we got to play in reserved roles. And like I stated earlier, Ware and Hatcher were terrible in December. Hatcher's stats look great overall but for that last month plus.....he might as well not have even played.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Ok color me crazy, drinking the koolaid, or just a die hard fan but if JJ somehow figures a way to sign both these guys I must admit this alone will bring some much needed optimism for this season. After the last 13 plus years of mediocritity it doesnt take much either. Will be interesting to see what the next 24 hrs bring.

Yea it really would be a heck of a job to get both of those guys.

You are right about pumping a little enthusiasm back into the fan base. This is probably the most down this fan base has been in years.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Not really, look at Drew Brees/Kurt Warners teams a couple years ago. HORRIBLE Defenses.

You mean the DEF that picked off Manning for the win?

 

[Silver N Blue]

Yea it really would be a heck of a job to get both of those guys.

You are right about pumping a little enthusiasm back into the fan base. This is probably the most down this fan base has been in years.

Exactly Beast...that is what I am saying I can not remember being this "blah" about the Boys since I first became a fan 37 plus years ago. Just tired tired tired...but this would def bring some much needed optimism. I like the way Allen plays the game and for me Melton is an upgrade over Hatcher. Would open the door for any direction in the draft and most of all gives Rod two guys on that line he knows what they bring to the table.

 

[CashMan]

You mean the DEF that picked off Manning for the win?

You are trying to prove me wrong with Manning? The guy has been to the playoffs pretty much every year he has been in the league, and to the SB 3 times, with 2 different teams. Manning is the pinnacle of QB play.

 

[Silver N Blue]

You are trying to prove me wrong with Manning? The guy has been to the playoffs pretty much every year he has been in the league, and to the SB 3 times, with 2 different teams. Manning is the pinnacle of QB play.

No I agree he is a stud maybe the best regular sesason QB to ever play the game all I am saying is it takes more than one to get to the SB that is all.

 

[CashMan]

No I agree he is a stud maybe the best regular sesason QB to ever play the game all I am saying is it takes more than one to get to the SB that is all.

Dude, you are arguing with me, that an old Jared Allen, and a hurt Melton, are good signings for the Cowboys. The team is an 8-8 team, why hand 2 guys, multi year contracts and mess the salary cap up for 2 stop gap guys, to get to 8-8. Even if the team made the playoffs, do you honestly think, they have a shot of winning any game? I don't.

If Ware, and Austin were Jerry saying Dallas is rebuilding, then why did they sign Romo to a huge contract? I does not make sense, which leads me to believe nothing has changed. It makes me think Jerry dumped 2 players to throw money at stop gaps. Jerry lives in a fantasy world, where he thinks the Cowboys are at the top of the NFL. Where in reality, he is Al Davis 2.0.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Dude, you are arguing with me, that an old Jared Allen, and a hurt Melton, are good signings for the Cowboys. The team is an 8-8 team, why hand 2 guys, multi year contracts and mess the salary cap up for 2 stop gap guys, to get to 8-8. Even if the team made the playoffs, do you honestly think, they have a shot of winning any game? I don't.

Maybe you should read the first thread? No one said anything about mulit year contracts being better, worse, future issues with the "fake" cap, or bringing in stop gap guys. Personally the two "Georges" Mincy and whoever it was were the "stop gap" signings imo. All I said was it would bring in some optimism it the two were signed that is all. So obviously we have a difference of opinions. Time to move on.

 

[ccb04]

Allen could potentially be a better fit than Ware in the current 4-3 scheme.

Allen is bigger & has played DE his entire career...whereas Ware has been a full-time DE for only one season. He missed 3 games in 2013 (his only season as a full-time DE), and was coming off of a season in which injuries began to mount even at OLB. Both have played injured and missed very few games...with Allen starting in every game since joining the Vikings. And both are also among the very few players in NFL history to have led the league in sacks twice.

Ware has 117 career sacks & Allen has 128.5 career sacks.

The last 3 seasons.....

2011: Ware (19.5)...Allen (22.0)
2012: Ware (11.5)...Allen (12.0)
2013: Ware (6.0)...Allen (11.5)

Other career numbers.....

Allen: 5 Int's, 51 passes defensed, 64 tackles for loss, 29 forced fumbles, & 17 fumble recoveries

Ware: 2 Int's, 24 passes defensed, 56 tackles for loss, 32 forced fumbles, & 7 fumble recoveries

It all comes down to money, and what kind of deal Allen is looking for. Allen and Donald in the 1st, could be a solid combination. Melton and a DE in the draft is another way to go. Would be a bit surprised if both Allen and Melton were signed, given the money it would likely take.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Sorry Cash..your quote from my response did not seperate. Maybe you should read the first thread? No one said anything about mulit year contracts being better, worse, future issues with the "fake" cap, or bringing in stop gap guys. Personally the two "Georges" Mincy and whoever it was were the "stop gap" signings imo. All I said was it would bring in some optimism it the two were signed that is all. So obviously we have a difference of opinions. Time to move on.