Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[iceberg]

I think you're right, that still rules out any rookie Olineman

oh - fyi - are these the same points of "education" you're trying to offer me?

i don't discount i can learn an awful lot these days. you seem to believe your "opinions" are somehow factual.

 

[Eddie]

There are a few unwritten laws here ...

1) never question the Organization
2) all things related to the Organization are 100% correct
3) any discussions countering the Organization is considered heresy and is often throttled by the blind masses
4) any discussions not worshipping the Organization is met with immediate retaliation
5) you have freedom of speech, so long as it defends the Organization. You do NOT have the freedom to denounce the Organization
6) all players representing the Organization are far greater than players representing opposing Organizations
7) decisions made by the Organization are to be followed blindly and never question ... thus a return to rule #1

 

[superpunk]

There are a few unwritten laws here ...

1) never question the Organization
2) all things related to the Organization are 100% correct
3) any discussions countering the Organization is considered heresy and is often throttled by the blind masses
4) any discussions not worshipping the Organization is met with immediate retaliation
5) you have freedom of speech, so long as it defends the Organization. You do NOT have the freedom to denounce the Organization
6) all players representing the Organization are far greater than players representing opposing Organizations
7) decisions made by the Organization are to be followed blindly and never question ... thus a return to rule #1

I give you these 15.....

10 commandments!

 

[Alexander]

There are a few unwritten laws here ...

1) never question the Organization
2) all things related to the Organization are 100% correct
3) any discussions countering the Organization is considered heresy and is often throttled by the blind masses
4) any discussions not worshipping the Organization is met with immediate retaliation
5) you have freedom of speech, so long as it defends the Organization. You do NOT have the freedom to denounce the Organization
6) all players representing the Organization are far greater than players representing opposing Organizations
7) decisions made by the Organization are to be followed blindly and never question ... thus a return to rule #1

Give me a break.

Question, complain, whatever.

Just do a little more than complain and give vague solutions like signing players that were financially out of our budget and/or drafting players rounds earlier than their actual talent dictated and reaching for need.

 

[lspain1]

Eddie, I don't agree with many of your posts.....but I sure do like your signature pic.....

Your posts never get old for that reason!

 

[iceberg]

Eddie, I don't agree with many of your posts.....but I sure do like your signature pic.....

Your posts never get old for that reason!

well, you gotta admit (well, not "gotta") when a vast majority say "you don't know more than bill!!!" that's what they're doing - all that eddie just said.

to people who disagree like he and i anyway.

 

[AtlCB]

There are a few unwritten laws here ...

1) never question the Organization
2) all things related to the Organization are 100% correct
3) any discussions countering the Organization is considered heresy and is often throttled by the blind masses
4) any discussions not worshipping the Organization is met with immediate retaliation
5) you have freedom of speech, so long as it defends the Organization. You do NOT have the freedom to denounce the Organization
6) all players representing the Organization are far greater than players representing opposing Organizations
7) decisions made by the Organization are to be followed blindly and never question ... thus a return to rule #1

I can't stand when someone writes this type of drivel. Please give an example of where you freedom of speech has been infringed upon (example: where a moderator has either banned or given you a warning of being banned for criticizing the organization).

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.



Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

to tell you the truth, that's a good sign. you should be underwhelmed. last year we had a high pick and two first round picks. that meant our team hand't done so well the year before. last year we still had a lot of gaps to fill and anything was welcomed.

this year we were more of a complete team. we had good FA signing. we were drafting from the 18th spot and didn't have that many needs.

so yes, being underwhlemed is a good thing sometimes. you can't expect to draft big names in the lower portions of a round.

getting carpenter was great. it completed the defense.

fasano was a surpise. to tell you the truth I wasn't expecting us to be able to get him or draft him, but going to the two TE set is got me really excited.

skyler green fills a small need. then the rest of the draft we were picking backups not starters. which meant we have talent on the team.

so like I said its a good thing that you are underwhelmed.

 

[lspain1]

well, you gotta admit (well, not "gotta") when a vast majority say "you don't know more than bill!!!" that's what they're doing - all that eddie just said.

to people who disagree like he and i anyway.

Ice, I think I understand your point and Eddie's as well. I have disagreed with you (I hope I have been civil about it) on some aspects, but your criticism has some validity. I believe the proof of your argument is going to occur this year. If the OL fails to come together into a successful unit then the BP tenure with the Cowboys will probably fail. I understand you are not hoping for that conclusion but you fear (and perhaps expect) things to go poorly this year. If it happens that way, I will not be afraid to admit it.

My point in all of this has been that BP represented the best answer to try and fix the disaster that Jerry Jones had wrought for almost a decade.

To end this on a lighter note, I suggest adding some 'almost nekkid' women in your signature pic and that will bring your views more interest (if not more respect) on this forum.

 

[Alexander]

I can't stand when someone writes this type of drivel. Please give an example of where you freedom of speech has been infringed upon (example: where a moderator has either banned or given you a warning of being banned for criticizing the organization).

It's just drama at work because for the most part, the argument has little logical strength in comparison to the "other side".

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

to answer the question at hand - i'm with you.

when the draft was over, many many many fans crowd "this is what happens when you draft BPA and not need!!!!"

man i got tired of hearing that. i then read someone who replied:

we went in needing an OLB, we drafted one.
we went in needing a 2nd TE, we drafted one.

clearly our 1st two picks then, by defination, are for "need" not BPA. maybe BPA for a given need, but my own "track record" shows i'm mortified (or pick a less offensive word if you'd like) we totally failed to address the OL. (2) 7th round picks is too little, to late. it's gonna cost us.

it was taking the BPA. at the 18th spot there wasn't a lineman that was better than carpenter. carpenter happened to fill a need. what the signing of Ayodele did also was allow us to look for inside or Outside LBs depending on how the draft unfolded.

now, the cowboys had their eyes on Daryn College in the second until he got picked two picks before fasano. then fasano was the choice. why fasano, it was the thought that if one is available and we take him, then we can switch to the two TE set. if not, then we run the two TE as one of the few formations we use, just not the primary. Fasano wasn't a need. it provided the opportunity to get BPA that allowed us to fully switch to a two TE set.

but after that one person posted the "need, not BPA" that mantra died down. in the end, i think it was an average draft that didn't do much to address needs we clearly have. 3rd string DE before ANY form of OL? made no sense to me. when it was over i was more just glad it was over than pumped up for the season.

after the first 10 or 12 picks, the rest of the draft is always average for everyone, because the first 10 or 12 represent the elite players. so not having an outstanding draft is a good thing. it meant that our team wasn't picking in the top 10, which meant we had a good record. plus, it also means that we already have talent on the team, so its hard to imagine we pick anyone that could really excite us.

last year we picked ware, before him we had coackly...that's exciting pick. but which OLB would we pick that would make us more excited than picking ware? or a DE better than canty or spears.....

in the end, i hope all can play - sure. i hope all turn out fine and play for us for many many years to come. i just think we could have done a better job addressing obvious needs. fasano i'm ready to see play. carpenter? sure - but not really 'thrilled' with it. seems like bp continues to stick close to the vest and takes his "past" all over again.

now - here will come the excuses of no OL there, no "value", not BPA (even though we didn't do it for the 1st 2 rounds AT LEAST - you'll hear that from someone i'm sure) and how time and again excuses will take the place of action.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

trade down, get picks.

i understand other philosophies - i really do. i understand what was done - but that doesn't mean i'm "thrilled" with it. it seems when you critisize the team you're force fed the "kool aide" and told you're wrong even though the "other side" can't prove they're right.

this is a place to trade opinions to me - not prove i belong on in the NFL scouting teams.

but by trading down you are going to get lesser players. its about what that player will do for your team and not how many picks you have.

 

[Alexander]

but by trading down you are going to get lesser players. its about what that player will do for your team and not how many picks you have.

It's not just that.

Trading down requires a willing partner. We really were fortunate to be able to trade down in the second, which conversely, cost us these great OL that were the players we were supposed to take.

 

[MONT17]

yes u do need a willing partner btu we all know if u wanna make a deal u will make one.... I just think if they traded down and missed their guy why not trade down again if you are targeting your second best TE! Fasano is a good College player but he is not BETTER than WITTEN in college!!!


what some RANCH HEADs dont realize is that the OLINE is a joke and almost any warm body would be a help... ie EJ Whiley! I just thought we could have used about 3 or 4 OL guys!!!


I got $5 bucks that says McQuistan who has only started 1 season for a small school... will get playing time this year! that may not be a good thing!


I hope not... but looking at the age of this OL and everyone talking BOWL that means those old guys will have to start 19 games I dont think they can and I'm not sold on Columbo, Peterman and Pettiti! Pettiti being the best of the group who can only play 1 position!





there is NO WAY this team does not see OLINE problems!!!

 

[iceberg]

I can't stand when someone writes this type of drivel. Please give an example of where you freedom of speech has been infringed upon (example: where a moderator has either banned or given you a warning of being banned for criticizing the organization).

it's not the MODS who'll do anything - they do a great job as it is letting it go. it's the other posters who will kick you in the tata's for daring to suggest bp and company could be wrong.

 

[iceberg]

but by trading down you are going to get lesser players. its about what that player will do for your team and not how many picks you have.

would you trade down to get say brady?

"lesser" is a vague term that can mean a lot in varying situations. it's also heavily implying players will "in order" perform as drafted.

bah. misproven all the time.

 

[iceberg]

Ice, I think I understand your point and Eddie's as well. I have disagreed with you (I hope I have been civil about it) on some aspects, but your criticism has some validity. I believe the proof of your argument is going to occur this year. If the OL fails to come together into a successful unit then the BP tenure with the Cowboys will probably fail. I understand you are not hoping for that conclusion but you fear (and perhaps expect) things to go poorly this year. If it happens that way, I will not be afraid to admit it.

My point in all of this has been that BP represented the best answer to try and fix the disaster that Jerry Jones had wrought for almost a decade.

To end this on a lighter note, I suggest adding some 'almost nekkid' women in your signature pic and that will bring your views more interest (if not more respect) on this forum.

ls - you've been fantastic to talk with and perfectly civil. i don't say i'm "right" i only say it's how i feel about things and as you say - time will tell.

and last time i posted pics of that nature i made the mistake of saying she was my "head babe" (it was in a "secret crush" thread) and i got pounded pretty hard for daring to make people believe she'd "give me the time of day".

last saturday around 11pm i was busy trading neck massages w/her after she was worn out from drinking by the pool all day. her in a bikini trading massages w/me was killin me man.

see my tagline - hit the site and find the babes section. she's the head babe. need to update those and get some pics of the new ones out there.

 

[Sandyf]

As to the orginal thread about being underwhelmed, one just has to ask defensive coordinators around the league of what they think it will be like to play against the Cowboys offense this year.

Some have been on record and a few of us that have relatives that work in NFL front offices have been somewhat privy to know that the DCs are looking forward to the two TE set on every down.

What does it mean? Well in terms of Fasano and/or Hannam, it means one of them will be on the field literally 80 percent of the time with Witten. It means very difficult match ups for defenses allowing Bledsoe more options and most likely less time needed to make a throw. Remember Bledsoe is one for holding the ball to long to find an open receiver. This should virtually eliminate that meaning far fewer sacks whether the OLine is improved or not.

What does in mean if Carpenter doesn't start the first game? Nothing!! He will start early in the season but he makes the options so much better than before.

Will Green help us? Gotta be kidding!! Parcells is about field position. What did we have last year in terms of punt returns, I believe 2 of 20 yards and one of 26 yards being the longest. We will see a vast improvement here.

Will Hatcher, Watkins or Stanley have anything? Yes, all will provide emmense help in the rotation of the defense meaning fresh legs in the 4th quarter meaning trouble for most offenses.

Was it an underwhelming draft? It sure was it terms of named star quality but let me ask the question, seems to me that Harrington and Brady came out the same year. Brady was an after thought in round six, pretty underwhelming if you ask anyone. Lets just say I hope that our draft this year is just an underwhelming as the Pats taking Brady was!

 

[DLCassidy]

it's not the MODS who'll do anything - they do a great job as it is letting it go. it's the other posters who will kick you in the tata's for daring to suggest bp and company could be wrong.

Nonsense. Noone has a problem with differing opinions. And when BP talks about still having a couple areas of "serious concern" no doubt o-line is part of that equation. But whining is not the same as discussing. Saying we didn't sign Hutch who got top 5 LT money or Bentley, who was going to Cleveland where he's from anyway, is not a valid criticism. And we were interested in taking OL early- JJ said as much, but it was by no means our only objective nor should it have been, nor were we going to reach for a player just to address that need. It's ok to say we have question marks on the OL- we do- but dumping on the coach at every turn for it gets old.

 

[iceberg]

Nonsense. Noone has a problem with differing opinions. And when BP talks about still having a couple areas of "serious concern" no doubt o-line is part of that equation. But whining is not the same as discussing. Saying we didn't sign Hutch who got top 5 LT money or Bentley, who was going to Cleveland where he's from anyway, is not a valid criticism. And we were interested in taking OL early- JJ said as much, but it was by no means our only objective nor should it have been, nor were we going to reach for a player just to address that need. It's ok to say we have question marks on the OL- we do- but dumping on the coach at every turn for it gets old.

talk to summer - he's told me i'm wrong time and time again in the last few days alone. then he's been trying to "educate" me and i must preface my opinions by saying they're my opinions for when the obvious just isn't enough. why? cause bp has all the info. burmford too. they've both told me i'm wrong and quite vocally. so yea, i've been vocal in return. : )

it's how i roll and stuff.