Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[Bob Sacamano]

I know you didn't ask me Summer... but for what it's worth, I can't think of one team that had rookie OL come in and help solidify the OL. I can think of teams that had rookie OL play (like us last year), but none of them that I can think of really played well and helped the team win.

Maybe I'm forgetting a team...

I think you'd have to go back to '98, Orlando Pace, to find the last rookie Olineman who made an immediate impact for his line, and even then the St. Louis line still sucked

 

[Bob Sacamano]

again - by this logic you'd never draft anyone who can't immediately start.

it's common knowledge that your 1st 3 picks have to be starters immediately

 

[iceberg]

it's common knowledge that your 1st 3 picks have to be starters immediately

so hatcher is gonna start? you gonna "guarantee" this or is this YOUR OPINION?

 

[burmafrd]

Unless you can get a Ferguson- better to use 3 or 4 rd picks on really raw but physically gifted guys that look like they are willing to work their tails off and develope them.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually I have heard that rd 3 picks are expected to CONTRIBUTE right away- not start.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually I have heard that rd 3 picks are expected to CONTRIBUTE right away- not start.

I think you're right, that still rules out any rookie Olineman

 

[iceberg]

I think you're right, that still rules out any rookie Olineman

so your goal is to prove me wrong at all costs.

good move chief.

a 6th round pick started all last year. how do you KNOW a 1-3 round pick OL couldn't contribute?

you don't. it's only your opinion as i have mine. only ONE of us seems to realize this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

so your goal is to prove me wrong at all costs.

good move chief.

my argument has been consistent

a 6th round pick started all last year. how do you KNOW a 1-3 round pick OL couldn't contribute?

because I can't look into the future, to see a starter on the line going down

 

[burmafrd]

gee Ice, now you are saying that Petitti's lousy play is a good reason to draft O lineman and play them as rookies.

 

[Alexander]

gee Ice, now you are saying that Petitti's lousy play is a good reason to draft O lineman and play them as rookies.

And Petitti was drafted as depth, not to start. Just as any player on the OL that we would have drafted this year would be.

 

[iceberg]

my argument has been consistent

because I can't look into the future, to see a starter on the line going down

if by consistant you mean proving me wrong, you're right there. but since 3 posts ago you said the 1st 3 rounds must START and were corrected 2 posts later OF WHICH you agreed you were wrong, your "consistancy" is based on flawed "knowledge" - or so it could be said.

who said anyone had to "go down" on the line? petitti started, didn't he? so it's already proven BY YOUR MAN bp, it can be done. you know, a rookie starter on the line. are you telling me NO ONE in the 1st 3 rounds has more potentail than petitti, OR fabini?

for someone who's not able to see into the future, you sure do it a lot when it suits you.

 

[iceberg]

gee Ice, now you are saying that Petitti's lousy play is a good reason to draft O lineman and play them as rookies.

are you saying BP picks OL that play lousy?

 

[burmafrd]

Got you on that one- eh Ice? How embarrased are you right now?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if by consistant you mean proving me wrong, you're right there. but since 3 posts ago you said the 1st 3 rounds must START and were corrected 2 posts later OF WHICH you agreed you were wrong, your "consistancy" is based on flawed "knowledge" - or so it could be said.

contribute, start, you're arguing over semantics, and know what's funny about that? even though I was wrong, the correct answer still shot down your opinion

who said anyone had to "go down" on the line? petitti started, didn't he? so it's already proven BY YOUR MAN bp, it can be done. you know, a rookie starter on the line. are you telling me NO ONE in the 1st 3 rounds has more potentail than petitti, OR fabini?

of course Pettiti started, by default, and proved what I already told you, he struggled mightily with the strength of the NFL game, which is the case for all rookie Olinemen, unless you're Orlando Pace or Walter Jones, and I haven't see a prospect of their ilk in the draft in the last 6 or so years

for someone who's not able to see into the future, you sure do it a lot when it suits you.

 

[iceberg]

contribute, start, you're arguing over semantics, and know what's funny about that? even though I was wrong, the correct answer still shot down your opinion

and "winning" these discussions seems to be your only goal.

shine that trophy up, son. it'll look great on your mantlepiece.

 

[iceberg]

Got you on that one- eh Ice? How embarrased are you right now?

quite. i'm embarassed i let myself talk with you as if you had any common sense.

my bad. ignore gets another added to the list.

 

[The Realist]

Fasano must have played in 2 offenses that inflated his draft status by featuring the TE.

He played for Ty Willingham and Weis at ND.

Or maybe he's just that good?

Those down on him please come up with the list of TE's with 92 catches or more in 3 seasons of high level competition in college.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and "winning" these discussions seems to be your only goal.

I'm trying to educate you, albeit it has been a fruitless endeavor

 

[iceberg]

I'm trying to educate you, albeit it has been a fruitless endeavor

i've got 18 years on ya dude. i've been watching football since before you were born and i've lived through things you've only read about.

try learning and working with people not against them.

you'll learn that in time when winning battles no one gives a damn about wears off.

 

[MONT17]

the first 3 picks? dont tell the Cowboys that...

lets get real! the most Hatcher can be is the 3rd best DE on the team behind Spears and Canty. is that fair to say?

the most Fasano can be is the second best TE behind Witten. is that fair to say?

so if u trade down and miss those guys what r u losing? we all know the draft was deep with TEs anyway... so maybe u dont have Fasano but u have Pope or the TE Denver drafted!!!

looking at this OL they needed guys to come in and compete! If OL dont start from day 1 then why r we waiting for RIVERA, FABINI and ADAMS to retire before bringing in OL that can help as soon as next year?


the fact is everyone on the OL is expected to be BETTER than last year just to have an AVERAGE LINE what if they are not... a sign of how bad this OLINE is was the fact that Whitley a 7th round choice look like he could compete for a starting job!


this is the weakest line in FOOTBALL and Ranch Heads are saying noone can help us... oh and my fav the PATS wanted our guy so I'm glad we have him to sit behind Spears and Canty!!!

that reminds me wasnt our 4th pick used on CANTY last year? so basicly we spent a 4th on CANTY and a 3rd on the guy BACKING him up, right? I dont think anyone would blame the BOYS if the missed out on HATCHER by trading down to pick up some OL help later in the draft!

look at the draft DAY 2 was stocked with OL choices and the Cowboys had 2... the weakest line in the NFL has 2 7th round picks!





I look at the names on the OLINE and all I can do is HOPE and PRAY!