Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[superpunk]

I really don't think he's going out on a limb on that. The league and the Cowboys scouts project Fasano to be a very good receiver in the nfl while Hannam hasn't done much in that department and is known more for his blocking.

OK. I'm curious.

Where is all this commentary and espousing about Hannam? Where did you guys read this stuff? I wanna see.

 

[theogt]

OK. I'm curious.

Where is all this commentary and espousing about Hannam? Where did you guys read this stuff? I wanna see.

Google "Ryan Hannam blocking" and you'll get tons of hits describing him as a "blocking TE". I couldn't give you any specific links to where I've personally read this, but I can remember reading from multiple sources.

 

[burmafrd]

When we signed him that is how EVERYONE described him. His stats also underline the fact that he is more of a blocker then a catcher.

 

[MONT17]

As far as starting right away there is no way u can say Carpenter will be better than Singleton or Fasano will be better than Hannam by the time we play the Jags... Carp and Fasano will be hard pressed to start this year but there draft status has alot to do with how soon they will start!!!


now as far as the oline that guy Whitley had a very nice chance to start! just because Rivera is 'IR bait' and the Gurode/Johnson duo is laughable at times throw in Peterman and Columbo and u have to crack smile and shake your head!!!

 

[theogt]

As far as starting right away there is no way u can say Carpenter will be better than Singleton or Fasano will be better than Hannam by the time we play the Jags... Carp and Fasano will be hard pressed to start this year but there draft status has alot to do with how soon they will start!!!


now as far as the oline that guy Whitley had a very nice chance to start! just because Rivera is 'IR bait' and the Gurode/Johnson duo is laughable at times throw in Peterman and Columbo and u have to crack smile and shake your head!!!

Funny, I've heard Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones say the opposite. Part of the stated reason those two were drafted was that they could come in and start immediately.

 

[BigDFan5]

Didn't you hear? We could have had Kellen Clemens in round 2.

I'm still rueing

 

[DLCassidy]

Anyway, i am pretty happy with this draft......but if we cant run for a first down when we need to on 3rd and 1 i may change my mind.

Again a lot of this comes down to what our actual board looked like. I for one would LOVE to have seen it. If you wanted a road grader type I had an eye on Charles Spencer from Pitt who would have competed with Kosier and Peterman for the LG slot and had tackle experience. He went early third so it wouldn't have been a massive reach at 53 based on his being taken by the Texans at 65.

But what if we had him rated at 73? Or what if we felt Kosier was a better pass blocker and Spencer would need a year to compete as a starter? Is it worth passing on a guy that WILL help us this year and we had rated 53rd? Our brain trust said no. If the 2 TE offense works as well as we hoped and we don't have major injuries they will likely be proven correct. If not the second guess crowd will decend like locusts.

 

[speedkilz88]

Hannam is not much of a threat as a receiver. His catches will mainly be when teams forget to cover him similar to Jeff Robinson in years past.

2002 Seattle Seahawks 1 16 16.0 1td
2003 Seattle Seahawks 0 0 0
2004 Seattle Seahawks 8 110 13.8 0
2005 Seattle Seahawks 13 89 6.8 1td

 

[burmafrd]

Mont claims to know everything. sad delusion.

 

[superpunk]

Google "Ryan Hannam blocking" and you'll get tons of hits describing him as a "blocking TE". I couldn't give you any specific links to where I've personally read this, but I can remember reading from multiple sources.

Done.

They were all written before the draft, and all say the Cowboys signed a "blocking TE."

This was before it was widely known that the two-TE set was being employed by us, after the Fasano pick. So obviously, when a team with a marquis TE already, picks up another, he is going to be described as blocking, or 2nd TE.

So I guess what I'm saying is - calling him a "blocking TE", is name only, and based on what the writers assumed our offense would look like. They say nothing about his abilities as a receiver.

 

[superpunk]

When we signed him that is how EVERYONE described him. His stats also underline the fact that he is more of a blocker then a catcher.

Oh.

EVERYONE.

I should have known.

 

[burmafrd]

It appears that the boys want bigger tackles but smaller guards. Both Giles and Spencer are big guards.

 

[burmafrd]

Yes you should have.

 

[theogt]

Done.

They were all written before the draft, and all say the Cowboys signed a "blocking TE."

This was before it was widely known that the two-TE set was being employed by us, after the Fasano pick. So obviously, when a team with a marquis TE already, picks up another, he is going to be described as blocking, or 2nd TE.

So I guess what I'm saying is - calling him a "blocking TE", is name only, and based on what the writers assumed our offense would look like. They say nothing about his abilities as a receiver.

Actually many on the first page were Seattle sites talking about whether they were going to find another blocking TE to replace Hannam.

edit: I would also add that I simply don't have the time or resources to watch game tape of all of these players. In the end, I (and I assume most others here) have to rely on what we read about players. It appears that the majority of stuff written about Hannam states that he is more of a blocking TE. So, I go with that.

 

[Alexander]

Actually many on the first page were Seattle sites talking about whether they were going to find another blocking TE to replace Hannam.

And that's why they signed a similar player in Ron Heller. A blocker and special teamer.

Hannam is a better version of what we have been trying to get out of Ryan and Pierce.

 

[speedkilz88]

OK. I'm curious.

Where is all this commentary and espousing about Hannam? Where did you guys read this stuff? I wanna see.

I'm curious where you got the idea the guy is this great receiving TE, he is not much of a threat at all, the stats prove it. A healthy Dan Campbell is probably a bigger threat because of his size. I think Hannam is basically a smaller version of Campbell.

If the Cowboys had not drafted Fasano or another first day TE, they would not be going to as much two te sets. They are going to this set because of what Fasano brings to the table. Hannam would have just replaced what they lost with Campbell. Fasano upgrades it by getting a player of Jason Witten's calibur on the other side.

 

[DLCassidy]

Something for us to remember that being underwhelmed is not a bad thing. Most people have been underwhelmed with New England's and Pittsburgh's draft for years.

Good point. Those teams minimize the number of whiffs they make. You're going to have some. Every team does. But the thing I like about our draft is it's hard to pick out any of our picks (other than maybe McQuistan (sp) that look like whiffs right now. You do that year to year and you end up playing in late January.

 

[superpunk]

I'm curious where you got the idea the guy is this great receiving TE, he is not much of a threat at all, the stats prove it.

I'm curious to where you got the idea that I had the idea that Hannam was a great anything? (exhausted?)

Stats prove everything....

 

[burmafrd]

It was because Fasano was picked due to his ABILITY TO CATCH AND AS A PASS CATCHING THREAT. HANNAM is NOT.

 

[DLCassidy]

I'm curious where you got the idea the guy is this great receiving TE, he is not much of a threat at all, the stats prove it. A healthy Dan Campbell is probably a bigger threat because of his size. I think Hannam is basically a smaller version of Campbell.

Neither guy is much of a receiver. Campbell was slow and had hands of stone which is a bad combo for a receiver. Hannam isn't going to be asked to catch many balls- how many 3rd TE's do?