Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[DLCassidy]

i was reading somewhere, maybe it was a thread on this site, about the OT that the eagles picked and that they probably wont start him until next year, or that he wouldnt be ready until next year. I think he was an early 2nd round pick, so maybe it was just not a strong draft for O lineman like you say.

They did resign Jon Runyan so yeah Justice (chosen pick 45) won't be starting over him this year.

 

[MONT17]

Just because Justice slipped to the second round doesnt mean he will suck... LA and Flozell were drafted in the same mold!!!

the Romurs may have been the draft was weak on OL but according to NFL.com only a handful of guys DIDNT get drafted! that tell sme a few things OL is still important to NFL teams no matter how weak the talent!

I think the Boys could have gotten Hatcher on Day 2... and maybe turn that pick into several later picks or even a player!

I think Fasano would have went to Denver if we didnt draft him at that spot but they r saying with that pick and the Hannam sign "we cant develop a 3rd string TE".

I wanted them to go OL on Day 2, Heavy OL... Just because they do not have success on day 1 OL!!!


all in all if they traded down more in rounds 2 and 3 they might have missed Hatcher and Fasano but they are second and third string guys at best this year, surely missing out on that is exceptable!


Or maybe just maybe... they did miss out on the guys they wanted and were forced to draft guys like Fasano and Hatcher and cooked up some story about 2TEs and a Freak from one of the smallest schools in the country!!!!



oh well maybe its the truth!!!!

 

[Alexander]

I think the Boys could have gotten Hatcher on Day 2... and maybe turn that pick into several later picks or even a player!

He wouldn't have made it to our fourth round pick. How many times do we have to hear reports that the Patriots wanted him at the end of the third, the Saints and Cardinals early in the fourth before people get over this?

I wanted them to go OL on Day 2, Heavy OL... Just because they do not have success on day 1 OL!!!

Name your OL that would have been better picks than Watkins? How about Green? What rounds did they slide into?

 

[lspain1]

Folks, our iceberg has been consistent in his dislike of the draft from the day it occurred. He makes some good points in that the consensus weakness for the Dallas Cowboys is the offensive line and we really did nothing in the draft to correct that. His point is valid until the season begins. At that time we can determine whether or not his concerns have merit. If you replaced Fasano and Hatcher with Colledge and Justice (for example) would our draft be considered any better by this forum...or the media? The answer is probably yes, even though we all know that the real truth of that assessment will not be known for a few years.

I do not know if there was anything we could have done in the draft to help our OL this year. I doubt it, except in the case of depth. I believe part of the reason Carpenter and Fasano were selected was because they could contribute THIS YEAR and none of the OL available could do that. This team has been built to make a run this season and that strategy by the front office is why we are having this discussion today.

 

[5Stars]

Folks, our iceberg has been consistent in his dislike of the draft from the day it occurred. He makes some good points in that the consensus weakness for the Dallas Cowboys is the offensive line and we really did nothing in the draft to correct that. His point is valid until the season begins. At that time we can determine whether or not his concerns have merit. If you replaced Fasano and Hatcher with Colledge and Justice (for example) would our draft be considered any better by this forum...or the media? The answer is probably yes, even though we all know that the real truth of that assessment will not be known for a few years.

I do not know if there was anything we could have done in the draft to help our OL this year. I doubt it, except in the case of depth. I believe part of the reason Carpenter and Fasano were selected was because they could contribute THIS YEAR and none of the OL available could do that. This team has been built to make a run this season and that strategy by the front office is why we are having this discussion today.

Well, you just said the operative word..."strategy"...

How does anyone outside the Cowboy organization know what kind of "strategy" on offense that the Boyz will use this season? Nobody does....

Maybe Bledsoe will not need the Oline to maintain their blocks as long this year...maybe with the 2 TE's the ball is out in 2 or 3 seconds? Maybe the more athletic Oline can sweep in another direction that teams from last year have never seen?

Maybe there are a few plays where the TE's cross at the snap of the ball and Bledsoe hits them real quick a few times...for some good gains...while TO is being used as a decoy? Then maybe JJ breaks a draw play? Maybe all this quick strike stuff close to the line of scrimmage makes defenses wonder what is coming next...

Then...BANG! TD! Either Glenn or T.O.? That's the kind of stuff that a veteran QB can hit...the long one...

See, noone knows what the "strategy" is this coming season, that is why noone understands why the team drafted who they did?

I sure can't complain, because I don't have a freaking clue! But, things change, and to make good change to win in anything that you do...you must have a plan...and Parcells will not let his coaches talk, therefore, we don't get any clues on what that plan might be...

That is "strategy"...and YOU called it!

You have earned five Beautiful Stars, my friend!

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

We won't see much from our 3rd rounder. I'm excited to see Skyler play.

I feel just the opposite. I admit, I was not thrilled at all when they first took Hatcher, but have done a 180 since hearing that 2-3 other teams, including NE, was hot on our trail to get him at the top of the fourth. He was nothing short of phenomenal in a highlight film I watched. I know it was against inferior competition, but you could tell he is a man among boys just about wherever he plays.

Green, on the other hand, was the most questionable mid-round pick of the draft. Rob Sims, OG/OT, Ohio St. was sitting there for the taking. With the injuries we've seen on the offensive line, I can just about bet he would be playing by mid-season. I will laugh in the face of anyone that tells me ANY other team had Skyler Green ahead of Sims on their board. He couldn't even start at WR his senior year for a college team! I think that says it all. His return numbers were way down from his sophomore year, too. While he was a reach, we made up for it by stealing Pat Watkins in the 5th rd. He will come in with a King Kong chip on his shoulder, and with his skills, I wouldn't count him out of anything.

 

[MONT17]

I wont name any of the OL I wanted instead of Watkins or Green because I like both picks!!! but if u trade down from the spots where the BOYS drafted Hatcher and Fasano maybe they would have missed on the 3rd string DE and the 3rd/2cd string TE but maybe u would have had the picks to get some young OL in the mix!

oh and spare us the PATS were looking at Hatcher... who cares??? we would have missed on our 3rd string project from Grambling.... whipdidoo!!!!


like I said before NFL.com has about 10 OL who didnt get drafted... so someone has a need for them and it was a mistake to just get 2 ona OLINE full of question marks at every position!!!


oh and "stategy" that doesnt need an OLINE.... were are still talking about football? because to win in Baseball u dont need an OLINE!!! but to win in football any level of football u need an OLINE before u need lets say a 3rd string FS or a PR who may get the 4th WR spot!!!


please spare us the kool aid that we dont know 'what they are doing on O' so lets not worry about the OL... last I checked DREW BLEDSOE was the starting QB but then again with your logic we dont even know if BLEDSOE will start!

Maybe thats why they drafted Skyler Green so he can dink and dunk or run for his life when a coach with half a brain runs a zone blitz!!!


hey I like that we can use that for everything... oh the reason why the BOYS drafted a small school DE was so they can run 3 DE sets!!!




sad

 

[big dog cowboy]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.

Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

I think the problem is your goals were not the same as the Cowboy front office goals. When you saw the difference in the results, question and doubts started creeping in. Looking back and what has been said by those who make the big time decisions, most people fall into 2 areas. Either you understand what the Cowboys did and why they did it, or you don't. Now that I understand what the plan was and the way we went about executing it, I am completely on board with the direction we are going.

 

[speedkilz88]

It all depends if those guys can play or not.

If the scouts are right and Hatcher is another Leon Lett or Chris Canty type and Skyler Green is another Dante Hall then those were good picks. I have heard reports that teams kicked away from Green a lot after his sophomore year and he did injure his ankle so that accounts for the numbers drop.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.



Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

Name me an offensive lineman that would have started for this team this year outside of Ferguson?

Fasano plays offense doesn't he? Hmm.

 

[baj1dallas]

I never have any expectation of being "whelmed" by draft picks. I don't presume to know more about the prospects than the Cowboys do. I don't presume to know what players are going to play up to their potential and who won't. I don't get hyped up or upset about names. I will follow what happens during the offseason with interest, and devour everything I can about training camp. When the season starts I'll be able to have informed opinions about the roster but until then, any opions say more about the holder than they do about the team.

 

[Alexander]

he did injure his ankle so that accounts for the numbers drop.

If you excuse Julius Jones for a good portion of last year, then you have to give Green the benefit of the doubt. Similar injuries.

 

[MONT17]

I just think Jerry has been burned sooo many times on OL that he doesnt wanna get burned again.... Jacob Rogers was one of the biggest bust in Cowboys history! Peterman is laughable and AL Johnson is almost serviceable!!!


Jerry can say all he wants about we got this guy or that guy but we all know that he doesnt like to take a chances on OL and Rogers still "stings"!!!

oh and what else is Jerry going to say..."Oh we didnt get the guy we wanted but maybe we will run alot more 2TE and 3 DE sets this year"....


guys from Aron Gibson to Columbo find a home at valley ranch for a reason!!!!

 

[Alexander]

I just think Jerry has been burned sooo many times on OL that he doesnt wanna get burned again.... Jacob Rogers was one of the biggest bust in Cowboys history! Peterman is laughable and AL Johnson is almost serviceable!!!


Jerry can say all he wants about we got this guy or that guy but we all know that he doesnt like to take a chances on OL and Rogers still "stings"!!!

oh and what else is Jerry going to say..."Oh we didnt get the guy we wanted but maybe we will run alot more 2TE and 3 DE sets this year"....


guys from Aron Gibson to Columbo find a home at valley ranch for a reason!!!!

It wasn't just Jerry Jones.

Jeff Ireland also said that we wanted an OL (Colledge to be specific) and get beaten out, so we stuck to our board.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Bottom line is that there really was not anyone that was going to step up and start this year and maybe not next year either. Justice had all sorts of questions; Colledge got grabbed or we probably would have gotten him.

I get so sick of hearing that mantra, because it's only used on offensive linemen. Do you really think Hatcher, Green, or even Watkins are going to step up and start this year? As far as Fasano, we already had a stable of decent-good TEs that could fill the role he was drafted for. Is Fasano really going to be head & shoulders above Brett Pierce, Sean Ryan, Ryan Hannam, or even Tony Curtis at this stage in his career.

OLs Charles Spencer & Andrew Whitworth had similar grades as Fasano, and, IMHO, were needed a lot more than Fasano. The average age of our TES is MUCH younger than our OL, and that is something you must take into account for the near & not so near future.

I'm not really ripping the pick as much as the statement. Similar to JJ & BP saying they were staying strickly by their "Board", then after the draft, JJ saying, "We went into the draft looking for a playmaker on offense, defense, & special teams, and I think we accomplished our goal"..(Paraphrase). Sounds like double-talk to me. So, in the 4th rd., they probably saw "better available players" than Green, but hadn't grabbed their ST playmaker yet, & he was tops on their list at that point, so they took him over a better player so they wouldn't miss out on their ST playmaker?!

This stuff sure gets confusing sometimes......haha.

 

[kartr]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.



Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

I tend to agree with you, although, I didn't see the need for Carpenter or Fasano. Plenty of teams have good lbs and TE's, but those are not the positions that players can take over a game. Fasano provides good depth, but I don't see the depth at qb, rb,wr,ol. Is lb and te depth more important than those positions. The teams that fall apart lose their wr's,qb's,rb's,corners and pass rushers and our depth is meager at all those positions, so how's this a good plan.

 

[ghst187]

I think our recent draft definitely lacked the sizzle that our previous draft did but I think it was a very solid draft that addressed needs and nearly all of the picks will contribute this year.
Carpenter is going to be an outstanding player for us I think and a real defensive leader at a position of need
Fasano, i think will be a solid player and apparently enables us to do what BP wants to do on offense, not exciting pick but not bad either
Hatcher, have no idea but apparently we weren't the only team that thought he was a steal but we'll see
Green should solidify our kick and punt returns, while giving us a shot at another possible speed WR to develop
Watkins, really excited about this pick, i think he's a great athlete and will turn into a very good FS at some point while contributing on STs and perhaps on offense
Stanley, really happy that we picked up another NT. I think Stanley will be a solid one.
No idea about the two OL but wasn't a big risk either. Thought Whitely might be a decent developmental player but guess we'll have to wait another year or two to see.

 

[burmafrd]

Actually YES I think Fasano is head and shoulders above those mostly just warm bodies. ANd so does BP apparently. Green will be our punt returner and maybe even KO guy. Watkins could very well be starting by late this season.
I like our draft. Our first two picks will probably start. Our third rd pick was coveted by the team that won 3 of the last 5 SB's. Spenser and the rest of the O linemen WOULD NOT BE STARTING THIS SEASON. We are on a win now scenario.
Peterman still can be a productive player- we shall see this season. What was available in the draft= I frankly do not see much after the second rd that would be any better then what we already have as regards O linemen. Spencer is better then Kosier or even Peterman- PROVE IT. Whitworth better then Petitti= maybe- but by how much? AND if Petitti is greatly improved this season- maybe not even as good. Columbo can also be factored in. I am willing to bet that the boys only had Colledge as a target in the second rd as regards O linemen- we could have had justice and passed- that says it all. We could have had McNeil and passed. Frankly there is nothing I saw in the second rd on that was worth losing what we already were getting. I love Gilles as a guard but since it is now clear that we want quicker guards then he is out. Spencer was also a wide body so that is probably why we passed on him.

 

[kartr]

Just because a player will be picked at a certain range, doesn't necessarily make him worth that range, if you get what I'm saying.

Carpenter looks to be a good player... I just don't think you need to spend a 1st round pick to get a good SOLB.

It's true that the entire draft this year was "underwhelming" from a talent perpspective, as a whole.

I couldn't agree more, as good as Carpenter is, he's not Lawrence Taylor.

 

[Alexander]

I tend to agree with you, although, I didn't see the need for Carpenter or Fasano. Plenty of teams have good lbs and TE's, but those are not the positions that players can take over a game. Fasano provides good depth, but I don't see the depth at qb, rb,wr,ol. Is lb and te depth more important than those positions. The teams that fall apart lose their wr's,qb's,rb's,corners and pass rushers and our depth is meager at all those positions, so how's this a good plan.

Who would you have taken then?

Omar Jacobs?