Am I the only one underwhelmed by our draft?

[Jarv]

THERE IS NO O Lineman that we could have got that you could be sure would have started this year. Ferguson was the only one of which that could be said. honestly- outside of Ferguson I don't think there was an O lineman in the draft that could start NEXT year and really do all that well.

Maybe its because BP see's things in Peterman and Columbo that we don't ?

 

[superpunk]

Actually many on the first page were Seattle sites talking about whether they were going to find another blocking TE to replace Hannam.

edit: I would also add that I simply don't have the time or resources to watch game tape of all of these players. In the end, I (and I assume most others here) have to rely on what we read about players. It appears that the majority of stuff written about Hannam states that he is more of a blocking TE. So, I go with that.

I understand that.

I also know that MUCH of what is written out there about Cowboys players, we know to be untrue, or just falt lazy journalism.

So, I wouldn't be surprised that people saw "Hannam to Cowboys", said, "They've got Witten" and just labeled him "Blocking TE."

Like I said, I respect the guy who wrote what I quoted. He is a Seahawks fan. It appears, from what he said, that Hannam has worked super hard to become a good blocker, and at least a legitimate receiving threat - WHICH is why I was so confused by the Fasano pick.

Again, not killing the pick, it just didn't make sense, in light of what I had heard of Hannam.

 

[The Realist]

Just because a player will be picked at a certain range, doesn't necessarily make him worth that range, if you get what I'm saying.

Carpenter looks to be a good player... I just don't think you need to spend a 1st round pick to get a good SOLB.

It's true that the entire draft this year was "underwhelming" from a talent perpspective, as a whole.

McGinnest #4 overall, Babin #25 ish, Carpenter #18, Merriman #12.

Damn those SOLB's just fall right out of the sky.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm curious to where you got the idea that I had the idea that Hannam was a great anything? (exhausted?)

Stats prove everything....

You seem to think he is a much better receiver than Campbell with no proof or stats what so ever. You apparently just don't know anything about the players in question. Dallas drafted Fasano because he is a threat in the passing game and Hannam is not. He is a blocker in the mold of Campbell. He might do slightly better in the passing game than Campbell for the fact he is healthier than Campbell has been the last two seasons. But it won't be as much an upgrade as Fasano.

 

[superpunk]

It was because Fasano was picked due to his ABILITY TO CATCH AND AS A PASS CATCHING THREAT. HANNAM is NOT.

Redundancy in caps. I'm well aware of why Fasano was picked. Just not sure it was altogether NECESSARY. lol.

And still, you make assumptions on Hannam based on.....

 

[ctalker]

I am not overly excited about the draft and is wasn't very sexy. However, I have been excited about many previous drafts which turned out a complete waste looking back. Time will tell I guess.

 

[superpunk]

You seem to think he is a much better receiver than Campbell with no proof or stats what so ever.

Am I crazy, or did I not post the quotes from a Seattle fan I respect alot?

You apparently just don't know anything about the players in question.

Damn! Ya caught me.

Dallas drafted Fasano because he is a threat in the passing game and Hannam is not. He is a blocker in the mold of Campbell. He might do slightly better in the passing game than Campbell for the fact he is healthier than Campbell has been the last two seasons. But it won't be as much an upgrade as Fasano.

I really do know why Fasano was drafted. I'm not as ignorant as I look.

I'm just not sold, based largely on what I had heard of Hannam.

Is that awful?

 

[speedkilz88]

I think you are misinterpreting what the seattle fan told you. The guy has good hands and made a few plays for them, but if you asked the guy to compare him to good receiving TEs in the league he would not do well in the comparison. He is not a threat, just a solid contributor type. To think he is anything more is silly.

 

[iceberg]

Jerry said that there were four players they liked in the first round, and that if Carpenter wouldn't have been there then they would have traded down with the other three. So they had him listed higher than the others. That is not drafting for need, that is BPA.

They also said that in the second they liked Daryn Colledge, but not quite as well as Fasano and what he could do in their two te formations. Colledge was drafted two spots ahead of their pick anyway so they traded down to a few spots and were still able to get thier guy. That is still BPA, their top scout and Jerry said they took the top guy off the board on thier picks thoughout the day and into the second day they continued to say that. They even brought in a FA TE(Hannam) just in case they couldn't get a TE in the first day.

They also have said that they had interest in Paul McQuistan who was taken early in the third by the Raiders, way before their pick came up.

i'd have to think *all* teams had more than 1 player on their list when it was their turn to pick. given that OLB and TE *were* needs, it's NOT bpa - but for need.

 

[iceberg]

I think you are misinterpreting what the seattle fan told you. The guy has good hands and made a few plays for them, but if you asked the guy to compare him to good receiving TEs in the league he would not do well in the comparison. He is not a threat, just a solid contributor type. To think he is anything more is silly.

he's 3rd string, will block and maybe catch 4 passes all year.

 

[superpunk]

I think you are misinterpreting what the seattle fan told you.

mebbe so, but i doubt it. He was just as shocked as me, and still wonders - 2-TE or no. We're probably just silly, though.:laugh1:

 

[iceberg]

since in a 3-4 your LB's are your playmakers, i still think we needed to draft someone to play that OLB spot. LB's are definitely a need in this defense, and i would bet all 4 starters wont play all year. LB's get banged up in a 3-4 more so than in 4-3 so we need all we can get there. i actually think carpenter was more need than fasano.

Now the whole draft for need vs BPA arguement, i think there is always overlap. If there was a great CB at 18 and the cowboys took that player id be real upset. But if you have a few positions that you need upgrade or depth at, then you go by BPA IF he is one of those targeted positions. there is always going to be some overlap....so was carpenter a NEED or a BPA ? i would say we needed another LB and he was best value for the positions we need help at with #18. Fasano i wouldnt say was such a need because of Hannum, but more of a security thing with BP, parcells saw a great player and thought he had good value at that spot and knew that it filled a position he wanted upgrade at. so that would probably be BPA, Hatcher would definitely ahve to fall into the BPA category, Green was a pick like carpenter, we NEEDED an upgrade there and at that round he was BPA compared to the other positions we needed to upgrade. Same with Watkins. But arent you glad we didnt draft a FS with the first or second pick knowing that we got watkins in the 5th ?

Anyway, i am pretty happy with this draft......but if we cant run for a first down when we need to on 3rd and 1 i may change my mind.

good points that do make sense.

as for OLB - yep. that helps carpenter make more sense, but not the 3rd round 3rd string DE. : )

i'll get over my bitterness soon. i hope.

 

[speedkilz88]

i'd have to think *all* teams had more than 1 player on their list when it was their turn to pick. given that OLB and TE *were* needs, it's NOT bpa - but for need.

When the team deems one player(Carpenter) is worthy of pick #18 and three others that they like are not worthy of the pick and would force them to trade down. That is picking BPA. The team is going to have a "need" to an extent to draft the player or they wouldn't be worth it otherwise. Jerry and the head scout said that they took BPA, had Daryn Colledge been at the top of thier board at #18 and taken him then you could still say it was also a need.

 

[Doomsday101]

Going into minicamp I realize that I am just not as excited as I have been in previous years about our rookies.

Sorry, but I just wanted to know if I'm alone here.



Skyler Green is about the only pick I really like and he's probably nothing more than STer.
Carpenter was a good pick but I don't know about the first round price.

I just feel like we passed on opportunities to really bolster the O-Line and Offense.

I like the players we got, the only one I questioned on draft day was Fasano but as Jerry talked about the 2 TE set it made sense. As for the player Fasano I think he is going to be a very good player for us. As for the O-line I would have liked to have seen us go after one of the top tier lineman but all in all I'm happy with the guys we did get.

 

[Hoov]

good points that do make sense.

as for OLB - yep. that helps carpenter make more sense, but not the 3rd round 3rd string DE. : )

i'll get over my bitterness soon. i hope.

well, i cant really defend that hatcher pick, i know nothing about him really. my only guess is someone saw something in this kid to make them think they were a getting a steal.

i remember i kept checking in on the draft waiting to hear we picked an O Lineman and i started to worry and get frustrated, maybe confused it more like it. So i do agree that any help toward the O Line in the draft would have made me feel better, since we choose not to go that way i am just hoping that the coaches know more than me.

But....i still like the players we picked and view it as someone esle said, no blockbuster names, but several solid picks that should improve the team in areas that were concerns.

 

[Alexander]

well, i cant really defend that hatcher pick, i know nothing about him really. my only guess is someone saw something in this kid to make them think they were a getting a steal.

i remember i kept checking in on the draft waiting to hear we picked an O Lineman and i started to worry and get frustrated, maybe confused it more like it. So i do agree that any help toward the O Line in the draft would have made me feel better, since we choose not to go that way i am just hoping that the coaches know more than me.

But....i still like the players we picked and view it as someone esle said, no blockbuster names, but several solid picks that should improve the team in areas that were concerns.

I think the way the OL got drafted says quite a bit about their talent level. A few weeks before the draft and even at the combine, there were rumors that scouts were very disappointed in the quality of the offensive tackles (the OL as a whole, really) and didn't think that they were as good as their press clippings. The draft results speak for themselves when you have "first round" types like Justice, McNeill and Jean-Gilles going rounds later than they were "supposed" to go.

 

[DLCassidy]

good points that do make sense.

as for OLB - yep. that helps carpenter make more sense, but not the 3rd round 3rd string DE. : )

i'll get over my bitterness soon. i hope.

Is your concern about the Hatcher pick that we should have gone OL there? For whom? Or is it because you think of him as "3rd string"? If it's the latter, we will be rotating our DL guys and Hatcher will likely take Coleman's spot this year and if he does well he may make Ellis expendable after this season. I was luke warm to that choice in the beginning but as Parcells said they're aren't a lot of guys out there that are 6'6 285 and run a 4.7 40. None of us are scouts so we'll just have to wait and see whether he was a good pick or not.

 

[theogt]

I think the way the OL got drafted says quite a bit about their talent level. A few weeks before the draft and even at the combine, there were rumors that scouts were very disappointed in the quality of the offensive tackles (the OL as a whole, really) and didn't think that they were as good as their press clippings. The draft results speak for themselves when you have "first round" types like Justice, McNeill and Jean-Gilles going rounds later than they were "supposed" to go.

Ah yes, the "Justice is a top 10 pick and we'll be nuts not to pick him if he slides to 18" posts.

 

[DLCassidy]

Ah yes, the "Justice is a top 10 pick and we'll be nuts not to pick him if he slides to 18" posts.

LOL. You know what Justice sliding tells me? That when teams called Pete Carroll about him he didn't give out rave reviews. The guy has the size and talent to succeed. But there were some maturity/character/work ethic questions there that obviously scared teams off. Or maybe he came off poorly in the interviews and/or wonderlic? Who knows. Can't say I'm rooting for the kid now based on where he's going.:laugh1:

 

[Hoov]

I think the way the OL got drafted says quite a bit about their talent level. A few weeks before the draft and even at the combine, there were rumors that scouts were very disappointed in the quality of the offensive tackles (the OL as a whole, really) and didn't think that they were as good as their press clippings. The draft results speak for themselves when you have "first round" types like Justice, McNeill and Jean-Gilles going rounds later than they were "supposed" to go.

i was reading somewhere, maybe it was a thread on this site, about the OT that the eagles picked and that they probably wont start him until next year, or that he wouldnt be ready until next year. I think he was an early 2nd round pick, so maybe it was just not a strong draft for O lineman like you say.