An Honest Question About Dak

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I would like to ask the forum why we as an NFL treat Dak so different from any other young QB. The easy answer is he’s the Cowboys QB, but let’s dive in a little more.

Dak just finished up year 3. His biggest criticisms are:

-Inconsistent with decision making and accuracy.
-Issues with pocket awareness.
-“Game Manager”

Here are his first 3 years:

Dak Prescott- 975 completions on 1,475 attempts for a 66% completion percentage and about 3,625 passing yards a season. He’s averaged 23 TD passes and 8 interceptions. His YPA for his career is 7.4

Let’s look at 3 other quarterbacks in their first 3 years

Russell Wilson - 794 completions on 1,252 attempts for a 63.33 completion percentage for about 3,316 passing yards a season. Over those years he averaged 24 TD passes and about 8 interceptions. His YPA in those 3 years was 7.8

Big Ben - 644 completions on 1,032 attempts for a 62 % completion percentage and about 2,840 yards passing a season. He averaged about 17 TD passes and 14 interceptions. His YPA those years was 8.4

Tom Brady - 954 completions on 1,541 attempts for a 62% completion rate and about 3,409 yards passing a season. He averaged about 23 TD passes and 13 interceptions. His YPA was 6.7

Dak arguably has performed the best statistically of all these teams with worse coaching and worse players (remember these are all Super Bowl teams within those first 3 years of those guys careers).

I hear so much talk on this forum about how much better Romo was and they back it up with stats and highlights from when Romo already had years of experience and reps.

Dak is only in year 3. While the other QB’s mentioned above were given some of the same criticisms, they also were given time to grow.

-R. Wilson was a game manager who routinely sailed fastballs over WR’s heads.
-It took Tom Brady 5 years to shake off his rep as a game manager with an all time great HC.
-Big Ben barely got to throw the ball this first few years.

Why do most other QB’s get a chance to improve while Dak is supposed to be at peak potential right away?

Is it because Dak’s lows are aesthetically unpleasant while his highs don’t look that sexy either? Is it the color of his skin? Is it the 2016 season that spoiled us all?

Dak has obviously made strides in improvement this season once he got a semblance of a WR/TE group.
Why do most fans shut the door on any more improvement from him? Why do we give Jared Goff a pass for bad QB coaching but Dak doesn’t? Help me understand why we as a fanbase refuse to give Dak the same leash as everyone else. All these QB’s were limited in their first few years, let’s let the growth process complete before we make a definitive judgment.

did they have the same type of talent surrounding them like Dak? 2016, probably a top 5 ever OL. Zeke, twice the top rusher in the league. some darn good WRs and witten. Dak walked into the perfect situation.

and its getting old and tiring with all these yearly comparison of results from other QBs, trying to make a case that Dak is on his way to greatness. the first three items you listed, makes it very very clear that he is limited and that he benefits from those around him. he can't read defenses. he is inconsistent. and he is inaccurate. you can't seriously compare him to Tom Brady who led his team to a superbowl victory his 2nd year. he was the reason they won.

the argument and line of argument makes no sense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak needs a revamped offense with better coaching to maximize his skill set. Dak plays in THE most plain vanilla, unimaginative and predictable offense in the NFL.

Change in the offense by bringing in a better OC who can coach up a young QB is IMO, this team’s biggest off season need.

the offensive scheme in Seattle is not much different than one we run here. Wilson has done a lot more, with a lot less.

 

[Ranched]

I would like to ask the forum why we as an NFL treat Dak so different from any other young QB. The easy answer is he’s the Cowboys QB, but let’s dive in a little more.

Dak just finished up year 3. His biggest criticisms are:

-Inconsistent with decision making and accuracy.
-Issues with pocket awareness.
-“Game Manager”

Here are his first 3 years:

Dak Prescott- 975 completions on 1,475 attempts for a 66% completion percentage and about 3,625 passing yards a season. He’s averaged 23 TD passes and 8 interceptions. His YPA for his career is 7.4

Let’s look at 3 other quarterbacks in their first 3 years

Russell Wilson - 794 completions on 1,252 attempts for a 63.33 completion percentage for about 3,316 passing yards a season. Over those years he averaged 24 TD passes and about 8 interceptions. His YPA in those 3 years was 7.8

Big Ben - 644 completions on 1,032 attempts for a 62 % completion percentage and about 2,840 yards passing a season. He averaged about 17 TD passes and 14 interceptions. His YPA those years was 8.4

Tom Brady - 954 completions on 1,541 attempts for a 62% completion rate and about 3,409 yards passing a season. He averaged about 23 TD passes and 13 interceptions. His YPA was 6.7

Dak arguably has performed the best statistically of all these teams with worse coaching and worse players (remember these are all Super Bowl teams within those first 3 years of those guys careers).

I hear so much talk on this forum about how much better Romo was and they back it up with stats and highlights from when Romo already had years of experience and reps.

Dak is only in year 3. While the other QB’s mentioned above were given some of the same criticisms, they also were given time to grow.

-R. Wilson was a game manager who routinely sailed fastballs over WR’s heads.
-It took Tom Brady 5 years to shake off his rep as a game manager with an all time great HC.
-Big Ben barely got to throw the ball this first few years.

Why do most other QB’s get a chance to improve while Dak is supposed to be at peak potential right away?

Is it because Dak’s lows are aesthetically unpleasant while his highs don’t look that sexy either? Is it the color of his skin? Is it the 2016 season that spoiled us all?

Dak has obviously made strides in improvement this season once he got a semblance of a WR/TE group.
Why do most fans shut the door on any more improvement from him? Why do we give Jared Goff a pass for bad QB coaching but Dak doesn’t? Help me understand why we as a fanbase refuse to give Dak the same leash as everyone else. All these QB’s were limited in their first few years, let’s let the growth process complete before we make a definitive judgment.

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[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't think its the NFL just a bunch of fools on this forum that either made bold negative predictions about him and feel compelled to defend them or Butt hurt Romo fans that just cant get past him taking there heros job .

The easy thing to do here is watch Dak improve and prove people wrong as he dose on a weekly basis . Don't respond to the fools that bash him although easier said than done sometimes . Then there is the wonderful IGNORE feature to remove hate and ignorance from your Cowboy fan experience .

Real Cowboy fans are enjoying watching Dak mature but don't feel the need to shout it from the house tops . His Stats and records speak for themselves . The young bucks needing instant gratification don't have the patients for this maturation process and just want to whine and lament while comparing him to finished products that are well coached . They are the squeaking wheels needing to bring attention to there agenda .

It will all play out in Due Time

what!!! its painfully obvious that as Zeke goes, so goes the cowboys. Dak had a decent game against the rams. we lost, zeke was held to 47 yards. we are this season alone 10-1 when zeke goes over a 100 total yards and 1-6 when he doesn't. same last year. same the year before.

and its time Dak lovers get over this Romo thing as soon as some one says the slightest negative thing about Dak. we are all cowboys fans and just because you are in love with an average QB and have this insane man crsh doesn't make you better or worse than any other Cowboys fans. and if any one was a Romo supporter or not, they were all Cowboys fans...so grow up and take the dang Dak poster off your ceiling.

 

[Runwildboys]

Well, you're right about one thing. The Dallas Cowboys are under the microscope more than any other team. Everything is magnified.

As for Dak, he still needs to improve in some facets. His arm talent is fairly average. But I'm rooting for him. At some point he will either completely break through or he will bust out. Looking forward to seeing which one it is.

I'd like to agree with this, but in reality I think he's going to get just a little better and then level off. That'll be fine, if they can create an offense to work for him, like the Rams did with Goff.

 

[Runwildboys]

I have said from the get go on what i think alot of the hate for Dak comes from. And i really think it has nothing to do with football. But ill leave it at that and i ope nobody goes into a debate about it because we will get benched lol. Ill discuss my view on this with anybody who wants in pm.

I just think alot of people think you have to be drafted high to be acceptable or you ave to be the QB they wanted. Everybody wanted Wentz or Goff. Wentz is a guy who is outplayed by his backup. And Goff is strctly a system QB. Which everybody with any football knowledge said during the draft process. Hell you saw it this past saturday. When Goff was forced to go thru read progressions he was horrible. Dallas went zone and all of the sudden Goff had the inside routes open. The Rams system had two types of plays. A run up the gut if Dallas shifted to the bunched Wr side. Or a in route if Dallas stayed in its base. Of ourse you have to have the players to make the plays. And they did. Dallas was just off balance with the presnap movement and misdirections on the snap.

Why do you think Philly and LA get the LOS so fast? Because the coach can speak to him until there are 15 seconds left on the play clock. The coach is walking him thru the defenses set. Moreso with Rams. Philly slowed down once Foles was in and i think thats why they have more success because Foles can read a defense better than Wentz. Dak has had to learn the pro system. He's had to make the adjustments because of type of offense the Boys run.

We saw Wentz and Goff in when they didnt have a coaching holding their hand presnap and it was really bad.

Stopped reading after the first sentence. Romo got just as much, if not more hate and criticism, but I never heard anyone claim that reason for it.

 

[RamziD]

How many threw for 22 td’s or less?

How many ran for 8 TDs or more?

 

[Bobhaze]

the offensive scheme in Seattle is not much different than one we run here. Wilson has done a lot more, with a lot less.

They aren’t in the playoffs anymore either...

 

[rags747]

what!!! its painfully obvious that as Zeke goes, so goes the cowboys. Dak had a decent game against the rams. we lost, zeke was held to 47 yards. we are this season alone 10-1 when zeke goes over a 100 total yards and 1-6 when he doesn't. same last year. same the year before.

and its time Dak lovers get over this Romo thing as soon as some one says the slightest negative thing about Dak. we are all cowboys fans and just because you are in love with an average QB and have this insane man crsh doesn't make you better or worse than any other Cowboys fans. and if any one was a Romo supporter or not, they were all Cowboys fans...so grow up and take the dang Dak poster off your ceiling.

If Zeke was held to 47 yards shouldn’t Dak have loosened the Rams defense up with about 400 yards passing and maybe 3-4 td’s?

 

[817Gill]

did they have the same type of talent surrounding them like Dak? 2016, probably a top 5 ever OL. Zeke, twice the top rusher in the league. some darn good WRs and witten. Dak walked into the perfect situation.

and its getting old and tiring with all these yearly comparison of results from other QBs, trying to make a case that Dak is on his way to greatness. the first three items you listed, makes it very very clear that he is limited and that he benefits from those around him. he can't read defenses. he is inconsistent. and he is inaccurate. you can't seriously compare him to Tom Brady who led his team to a superbowl victory his 2nd year. he was the reason they won.

the argument and line of argument makes no sense.

Wow you’re so wrong haha. The whole point of using those three QBs is because they were all pedestrian their first seasons and were all on extremely talented teams. Aka the same situation as Dak. Arguably better because those teams had elite coaching and overall better teams which is why they won Super Bowls. None of those QB’s especially Tom Brady were regarded as responsible for their teams first super bowl.

Tom Brady wasn’t any given credit for that first Super Bowl, you said literally the exact opposite of the truth.

 

[Philmonroe]

Stopped reading after the first sentence. Romo got just as much, if not more hate and criticism, but I never heard anyone claim that reason for it.

Thats why that dog doesn't hunt imo.

 

[rags747]

How many ran for 8 TDs or more?

Sorry, looking for a qb not a running back at this time. Last I heard a qb is typically rated on how they throw the ball not how they run it. Mike Vick wonderful as a running back but pretty crappy skill set as a qb.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes, because obviously using cherry picked stats and then comparing them to QB’s that played in a different era is a much better measuring stick

If you can’t watch a QB play and formulate your own opinion you probably shouldn’t be watching football.

Of course everyone will form their own opinion, and adapt it to their agenda.
But to tell some e they should not bother watching is not the way to put it. Just because they don't agree within your way of thinking.

 

[jazzcat22]

Why? I look at Mahomes and he passes my eyeball test right away. Kind of like looking at a thoroughbred horse and then looking at a plough horse or the old grey mare, the eyes don’t lie.

That is not a good analogy.

 

[morat1959]

Is it possible that the scheme isn't more complicated and exotic because Daks skillset limits what he can do?

This was the topic of conversation at my house today. Is the offense dumbed down because of Dak?

 

[pansophy]

So this is why looking at passer rating doesn't matter.

 

[pansophy]

Wrong.

The league, this year especially, let the receiver and CB's actually play football.

A lot less hanky's flying around.......IMO.

It was refreshing.

Things started to change in 2011 because throwing for 5000 yards became normal for top offenses of the year. So okay, comparing Wilson to Dak may be okay since Wilson started in 2012, but comparing him to the early years of Brady or Big Ben still doesn't work.

 

[Philmonroe]

what!!! its painfully obvious that as Zeke goes, so goes the cowboys. Dak had a decent game against the rams. we lost, zeke was held to 47 yards. we are this season alone 10-1 when zeke goes over a 100 total yards and 1-6 when he doesn't. same last year. same the year before.

and its time Dak lovers get over this Romo thing as soon as some one says the slightest negative thing about Dak. we are all cowboys fans and just because you are in love with an average QB and have this insane man crsh doesn't make you better or worse than any other Cowboys fans. and if any one was a Romo supporter or not, they were all Cowboys fans...so grow up and take the dang Dak poster off your ceiling.

I liken most of these Dak fans to someone that hasn't had something nice so they think avg is awesome until they see real awesomeness. After they experience true awesomeness they then get why folks have said they've been missing out for so long.

 

[Willfreedom909]

I have said from the get go on what i think alot of the hate for Dak comes from. And i really think it has nothing to do with football. But ill leave it at that and i ope nobody goes into a debate about it because we will get benched lol. Ill discuss my view on this with anybody who wants in pm.

I just think alot of people think you have to be drafted high to be acceptable or you ave to be the QB they wanted. Everybody wanted Wentz or Goff. Wentz is a guy who is outplayed by his backup. And Goff is strctly a system QB. Which everybody with any football knowledge said during the draft process. Hell you saw it this past saturday. When Goff was forced to go thru read progressions he was horrible. Dallas went zone and all of the sudden Goff had the inside routes open. The Rams system had two types of plays. A run up the gut if Dallas shifted to the bunched Wr side. Or a in route if Dallas stayed in its base. Of ourse you have to have the players to make the plays. And they did. Dallas was just off balance with the presnap movement and misdirections on the snap.

Why do you think Philly and LA get the LOS so fast? Because the coach can speak to him until there are 15 seconds left on the play clock. The coach is walking him thru the defenses set. Moreso with Rams. Philly slowed down once Foles was in and i think thats why they have more success because Foles can read a defense better than Wentz. Dak has had to learn the pro system. He's had to make the adjustments because of type of offense the Boys run.

We saw Wentz and Goff in when they didnt have a coaching holding their hand presnap and it was really bad.

I think I can guess why a lot of people don’t “like” Dak

 

[btcutter]

So this is why looking at passer rating doesn't matter.

So true. Trust your eyes.

When it's 3rd and long how confident do you feel when Dak MUST throw the ball? Personally, I am already thinking commercial break after punt. Sad but true.