Any news on Jaylon Smith?

[CalPolyTechnique]

But the point is we don't really know and that even if it wasn't the Patriots, there could easily have been other teams that would have been targeting Smith in the second but it didn't make it in the press.

Saying there are conflicting news reports is different than saying the report was disproven. The Patriots have every reason to deny their intent if it was there, if Smith blows up their fans would scream about them not making the move for years. Smith might have been the best player in this draft if healthy, its much more likely than not that one of the teams in the draft was targeting him in the 2nd round.

If the approach to rumor vetting is "well, of course they would say that," then there's no way of vetting any rumor because one can always take that tact.

The report was rebuffed by New England openly, then Broaddus followed up with his insider (whom I'm guessing works in player personnel in some capacity) and said there was no interest.

 

[Kaiser]

If the approach to rumor vetting is "well, of course they would say that," then there's no way of vetting any rumor because one can always take that tact..

But your approach to rumor vetting is "If they denied it, it must be false". More draft talk (especially prior to the draft) is a smoke screen than truth and all teams have a clear incentives to spin.

You can say its doubtful but you can't say its disproven. You also can't say other teams wouldn't have taken Smith in the 2nd because its common sense that at least one of the other 30 teams besides the Cowboys and Pats would have taken a high risk, high reward player like that.

And I like Broaddus but he isn't exactly the gold standard of journalism.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Do we know what method was used in his surgery? I've tried to find the details but have been unsuccessful.

I assumed the reference to severe knee dislocations as opposed to crush or tearing injuries meant that's how these repairs are done.

The procedure they are referencing specifically that has shown high relative success is to help fix drop foot by surgically attaching a tendon to physically hold up the foot. We know that Jaylon hasn't had that done because he wears a brace that serves the same function plus Dr. Cooper mention the tendon surgery as a possible option down the road.

 

[aikemirv]

If the approach to rumor vetting is "well, of course they would say that," then there's no way of vetting any rumor because one can always take that tact.

The report was rebuffed by New England openly, then Broaddus followed up with his insider (whom I'm guessing works in player personnel in some capacity) and said there was no interest.

I am not trying to argue with you at all but if there is one thing you can't trust in the NFL, it would be a teams interest or non-interest in a player they did not get.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

But your approach to rumor vetting is "If they denied it, it must be false". More draft talk (especially prior to the draft) is a smoke screen than truth and all teams have a clear incentives to spin.

You can say its doubtful but you can't say its disproven. You also can't say other teams wouldn't have taken Smith in the 2nd because its common sense that at least one of the other 30 teams besides the Cowboys and Pats would have taken a high risk, high reward player like that.

And I like Broaddus but he isn't exactly the gold standard of journalism.

If you're talking about the Pats organization denying it pubicily then you may have something. If you're talking about Broaddus contacting a personal source (which he did) on a condition of anonymity, then I'll put a lot more stock in that.

And Broaddus is awful when he openly speculates, but I've never heard him be wrong on actual information he's relaying from a personal contact. Those are two different things.

 

[Idgit]

It doesn't really matter to me whether another team was interested in Smith or not. It was still premature to take him at 34. Way too much risk.

And I think the return is potentially there to pay off the risk in spades. It doesn't matter. We take too many big risks. It's too much volatility in putting a roster together. Enough of the other 31 teams sit tight and keep their powder dry and just draft and develop high-probability picks. We miss on one or two risky 2nd rounders, and we can't compete with the best-performing teams that just bet the money line.

 

[Nightman]

He was just placed on the reserve/NFI list.....that means he misses at least 6 weeks and probably the whole season....it also means the team could get a 5th year out of him if he doesn't accrue a season this year by being activated by Week 10

 

[DallasDomination]

It doesn't really matter to me whether another team was interested in Smith or not. It was still premature to take him at 34. Way too much risk.

And I think the return is potentially there to pay off the risk in spades. It doesn't matter. We take too many big risks. It's too much volatility in putting a roster together. Enough of the other 31 teams sit tight and keep their powder dry and just draft and develop high-probability picks. We miss on one or two risky 2nd rounders, and we can't compete with the best-performing teams that just bet the money line.

Basically sums it up right here

 

[MrMom]

The latest from Archer. Progress is being made.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...mith-moved-to-reservenon-football-injury-list

Smith said he was seeing improvement in his knee as well as the nerve condition. He has started to do some football movements and light cutting. He wears a brace on his left calf and foot to help his nerve issue.

“Day by day the feeling is getting so much better,” Smith said Tuesday. “I’m able to do a lot more. I’m actually running now and doing some actual football things, linebacker drills and things like that. (On Monday) me and (Darren McFadden) went out and did some striders. It’s just so much more than I’m being able to do and getting back comfortable to myself.”

 

[acr731]

It doesn't really matter to me whether another team was interested in Smith or not. It was still premature to take him at 34. Way too much risk.

And I think the return is potentially there to pay off the risk in spades. It doesn't matter. We take too many big risks. It's too much volatility in putting a roster together. Enough of the other 31 teams sit tight and keep their powder dry and just draft and develop high-probability picks. We miss on one or two risky 2nd rounders, and we can't compete with the best-performing teams that just bet the money line.

Meh..... Jerry likes drafting oft injured players for one stupid reason or another.

 

[Cowboys22]

The latest from Archer. Progress is being made.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...mith-moved-to-reservenon-football-injury-list

So, nothing new. New information would be "I went to the doctor this morning and the nerve has grown 4.5 inches. The doc says it's headed toward the right muscle and the last 1.5 inches should take another 5 to 7 weeks." Now that would be an update in which you can say progress is being made.

 

[Idgit]

Meh..... Jerry likes drafting oft injured players for one stupid reason or another.

I imagine it's hard, when you've made a fortune taking big risks, to recognize you're in a zero-sum situation where the big-risk method doesn't necessarily pay off. I kind of get why he does it. If you're going to do it, though, do it with the Rolando McClain's of the world. That cost very little, the return was reasonable, and (though our fans want to ***** about it) the return was there. The Gregories and the Smiths of the world that cost you high picks that could easily be less-risky players are another matter. Even if they eventually pay off, the headaches of managing the variables of 'are they going to be there or not, do we need a roster spot for them, or not' are a lot to manage. Unless you have some secret sauce for outperforming the market on the risks you take on these guys, let somebody else have the headache. Jason Garrett's got enough distractions as it is.

 

[Nightman]

I imagine it's hard, when you've made a fortune taking big risks, to recognize you're in a zero-sum situation where the big-risk method doesn't necessarily pay off. I kind of get why he does it. If you're going to do it, though, do it with the Rolando McClain's of the world. That cost very little, the return was reasonable, and (though our fans want to ***** about it) the return was there. The Gregories and the Smiths of the world that cost you high picks that could easily be less-risky players are another matter. Even if they eventually pay off, the headaches of managing the variables of 'are they going to be there or not, do we need a roster spot for them, or not' are a lot to manage. Unless you have some secret sauce for outperforming the market on the risks you take on these guys, let somebody else have the headache. Jason Garrett's got enough distractions as it is.

Considering 2nd round picks have a 40% bust rate, I think the gamble for a top 5 talent is worth it....you just have to be better with 3,4,5 and 6s......and if Dak works out then everything happened for a reason

I am done with the drug/non-motivated guys like McClain and Gregory

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

The latest from Archer. Progress is being made.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/cow...mith-moved-to-reservenon-football-injury-list

It'd be great if these reporters did a follow up question regarding the nerve sensations/improvement he's been feeling.

 

[Idgit]

Considering 2nd round picks have a 40% bust rate, I think the gamble for a top 5 talent is worth it....you just have to be better with 3,4,5 and 6s......and if Dak works out then everything happened for a reason

I am done with the drug/non-motivated guys like McClain and Gregory

If we could demonstrate that we could be better than everybody else with the 3, 4, 5, 6, 7s, then, sure. The problem is, we're not making up that risk anywhere else.

The bust rates on the pick are factored in already. If all 2nd round picks bust 40% of the time, you don't just double the risk on hitting on one of them because sometimes other teams miss, too.

 

[speedkilz88]

So, nothing new. New information would be "I went to the doctor this morning and the nerve has grown 4.5 inches. The doc says it's headed toward the right muscle and the last 1.5 inches should take another 5 to 7 weeks." Now that would be an update in which you can say progress is being made.

Do you use a Ouija board for that info?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, nothing new. New information would be "I went to the doctor this morning and the nerve has grown 4.5 inches. The doc says it's headed toward the right muscle and the last 1.5 inches should take another 5 to 7 weeks." Now that would be an update in which you can say progress is being made.

I took it as him regaining sensation and strength.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If we could demonstrate that we could be better than everybody else with the 3, 4, 5, 6, 7s, then, sure. The problem is, we're not making up that risk anywhere else.

The bust rates on the pick are factored in already. If all 2nd round picks bust 40% of the time, you don't just double the risk on hitting on one of them because sometimes other teams miss, too.

I think the point is that if he heals up he has a very high chance of not only succeeding but being elite. Much better than a 40% baseline. He was awesome at ND all around.

 

[BALCO]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/08/30/jaylon-smith-improvement-field

Interview up on DC website. Seems like he is doing more on the field.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/08/30/jaylon-smith-improvement-field

Interview up on DC website. Seems like he is doing more on the field.

He flat out says the nerve is firing when McMahon asked him at 1:30.

"Is the nerve firing?"

His face lights up, "Yes. There is a protocol. Should talk to the doctor and trainer they know better."