Anyone but skin homers really think

[skinsngibbs4life]

Barber has 538 in one season.... http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/406023

the difference is that barber has had his oppurtunity. With JJ going down with injuries quite a bit, he has been to see some starts.

On the other hand with Rock and ladell, they have one start between the two of them. That one start going to Ladell Betts. How did he fair? 118 yards, 26 carries, 4.5 ypc, and 1 touchdown.

not bad for limited action.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

the difference is that barber has had his oppurtunity. With JJ going down with injuries quite a bit, he has been to see some starts.

On the other hand with Rock and ladell, they have one start between the two of them. That one start going to Ladell Betts. How did he fair? 118 yards, 26 carries, 4.5 ypc, and 1 touchdown.

not bad for limited action.

I liked betts when you guys drafted him. Thought he could be a decent backup/#2 guy.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

You could also say that starting the team's 4th or 5th reciever on the depth chart, or even a practice squad reciever for a game will make it more difficult to be open, when earlier in the season, David Patten was a much better threat.

Gibbs went to a 1 WR/2 TE/H-Back formation alot last season because it was more productive to have Mike Sellers or Robert Royal on the field than Taylor Jacobs, who found it extremely difficult to even record a single reception in most games.

David Patten was never a threat... He had one game in which he had more than 3 catches, and broke the 50yd mark 2 times with no TDs... That isn't a threat.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

the difference is that barber has had his oppurtunity. With JJ going down with injuries quite a bit, he has been to see some starts.

On the other hand with Rock and ladell, they have one start between the two of them. That one start going to Ladell Betts. How did he fair? 118 yards, 26 carries, 4.5 ypc, and 1 touchdown.

not bad for limited action.

But that is what the debate was about. Which teams depth was better at running back, based on starting and production. In one season Barber saw as much action and is more apt to come in and play if and when JJ goes down, than is Betts or Cartwright...

 

[Gamebreaker]

Ladell Betts has only started one game in the last 2 seasons because Portis has only missed one game since then. In that one game, he had 26 carries for 118 yards, a 4.5 avg. and one touchdown.

Rock Cartwright hasn't started a game since 2003. When he did, he had 21 carries for 94 yards. When Betts was injured, he was second string and rushed for 118 yards alongside Portis. Not bad for the third string halfback.

We have amazing depth at RB.

 

[Gamebreaker]

David Patten was never a threat... He had one game in which he had more than 3 catches, and broke the 50yd mark 2 times with no TDs... That isn't a threat.

Read much? I said he was much better threat than Taylor Jacobs or the practice squad fodder we trotted out on the field. Want to counter that or will you spin away another response?

 

[Gamebreaker]

But that is what the debate was about. Which teams depth was better at running back, based on starting and production.

We have three backs who've impressed when they've had the chance to start, compared to your two. Now who has better DEPTH?

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

But that is what the debate was about. Which teams depth was better at running back, based on starting and production. In one season Barber saw as much action and is more apt to come in and play if and when JJ goes down, than is Betts or Cartwright...

:bang2: instead of repeating myself for a third time, I will simple direct you to gamebreakers post for reference.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

One good year for Moss
One good year for Brunell (old and doesnt make full 2006 season)
TE named Cooley

Need I say more??

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Read much? I said he was much better threat than Taylor Jacobs. Want to counter that or will you spin away another response?

Yeah I do actually. I was stating that Moss' #'s went down in the middle of the year and stayed down for the remainder of the year. IMO this is more because of teams being able to adjust to the revamped Commanders offense. You forget that it was the time most of the defenses they faced had seen him at all, let alone in this offense. I give credit to Gibbs and the coaching staff for using him effectively, but in the end teams caught on and began to make them change it. Again, credit to the running game for picking up the slack... not to mention the defense for stepping up in big spots. But the fact that you lost Patten doesn't account for Moss' drop in production. Now you wanna talk about a spin, let's see it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

:bang2: instead of repeating myself for a third time, I will simple direct you to gamebreakers post for reference.

yeah and in the playoffs you scored a whopping 7 points in 2 games.... the other TD at end of 2nd playoff game was of no significance to the outcome of the game.... way to represent

 

[Gamebreaker]

One good year for Moss

Good lord, do any of you actually look up anything before you make a fool of yourselves? This is the second time I've had to type this, 74 catches 1100 yards and 10 touchdown in 2003. If that isn't a good season then you must not like Terry Glenn very much.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

yeah and in the playoffs you scored a whopping 7 points in 2 games.... the other TD at end of 2nd playoff game was of no significance to the outcome of the game.... way to represent

better than 0 points in 0 games

 

[Hostile]

Sorry if you misread my post from before.
But i didnt asked for stats of one preticular game in which he started.
But asked for the stats that prove that your backup is better then ours. and that you guys woulndt be slowed down if JJ goes down with unjury.

First of all, I never said we wouldn't slow down if JJ goes down.

If someone else did then they could be part of the contingent that thinks Barber will win the job in TC anyway. He's more of a Parcells typical work horse RB who is a grinder. There are some who think he can be more effective controlling the clock. I'm not among them. JJ is our best RB, unless he gets hurt.

If he gets hurt I do think we're not in bad shape with Barber. Whereas I do think you are in bad shape if Portis goes down. Why do I say this? Easy, Portis is a better back than Jones at this point. So while the difference between Betts and Barbere may not be significant enough to worry about, I do think the difference between Portis and Jones is worth paying attention to.

In case that too went right over your head the gap between Jones and Barber is not as big as the gap between Portis and Betts.

Second of all, you didn't ask for stats to prove our backup is better than yours. You specifically asked for proof that he has "started and produced." I'm not blind, and I can read very clearly. That is what I gave you. If the answer hurts your feelings get a tissue.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Ladell Betts has only started one game in the last 2 seasons because Portis has only missed one game since then. In that one game, he had 26 carries for 118 yards, a 4.5 avg. and one touchdown.

Rock Cartwright hasn't started a game since 2003. When he did, he had 21 carries for 94 yards. When Betts was injured, he was second string and rushed for 118 yards alongside Portis. Not bad for the third string halfback.

We have amazing depth at RB.

Amazing spin in leaving out the other 2 starts Cartwright made that season. 41 and 43 yards, but hey let's talk about the 94 yds he had... And since you want to talk about 2003, as if it really pertains to 2006, what happened in Betts 14 yd outburst in that start? I'm assuming he got hurt because he didn't play the next 4 games, but still 1.4ypc speaks for itself. But lets leave all the bad games out and talk about the one or two good ones they've had in there 5 yr carrers....

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Yeah I do actually. I was stating that Moss' #'s went down in the middle of the year and stayed down for the remainder of the year. IMO this is more because of teams being able to adjust to the revamped Commanders offense. You forget that it was the time most of the defenses they faced had seen him at all, let alone in this offense. I give credit to Gibbs and the coaching staff for using him effectively, but in the end teams caught on and began to make them change it. Again, credit to the running game for picking up the slack... not to mention the defense for stepping up in big spots. But the fact that you lost Patten doesn't account for Moss' drop in production. Now you wanna talk about a spin, let's see it.

I understand what your trying to say. Also, I think some of that might be attributed to the fact that our #2 Patten went down, and teams wern't worried about any of our other threats. Moss was constantly getting doubled, and sometimes trippled teamed in Gibb's max protect system. With the new additions to our WR corps, that might change this year, and he may see less coverage thrown his way. Just my $.02 though

 

[Gamebreaker]

Yeah I do actually. I was stating that Moss' #'s went down in the middle of the year and stayed down for the remainder of the year. IMO this is more because of teams being able to adjust to the revamped Commanders offense. You forget that it was the time most of the defenses they faced had seen him at all, let alone in this offense. I give credit to Gibbs and the coaching staff for using him effectively, but in the end teams caught on and began to make them change it. Again, credit to the running game for picking up the slack... not to mention the defense for stepping up in big spots. But the fact that you lost Patten doesn't account for Moss' drop in production. Now you wanna talk about a spin, let's see it.

Why bother, you're the spin doctor. Oh no, starting players like Taylor Jacobs and Justin Skaggs (who? yeah, exactly) had nothing to do with Moss' drop in production. You pretty much restated your opinion, and completely dismissed the fact that every defense we faced could single cover the other reciever with even a nickel back and not worry at all about getting burnt for it. Unless you can somehow prove Jacobs, Skaggs and Thrash are somehow worthy recievers for defense's to consider rolling occasional safety help to, then you haven't proven anything at all.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

better than 0 points in 0 games

How much better? You still ended up at home with nothing in the end

 

[Gamebreaker]

yeah and in the playoffs you scored a whopping 7 points in 2 games.... the other TD at end of 2nd playoff game was of no significance to the outcome of the game.... way to represent

Completely off-topic. Why bother? Really?

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Why bother, you're the spin doctor. Oh no, starting players like Taylor Jacobs and Justin Skaggs (who? yeah, exactly) had nothing to do with Moss' drop in production. You pretty much restated your opinion, and completely dismissed the fact that every defense we faced could single cover the other reciever with even a nickel back and not worry at all about getting burnt for it. Unless you can somehow prove Jacobs, Skaggs and Thrash are somehow worthy recievers for defense's to consider rolling occasional safety help to, then you haven't proven anything at all.

Right, I understand what you are saying. I am here to tell you that at no point during the first 9 games of your season did ANY defense worry about Patten. I guarantee it! If he was such a threat to begin with, why did they go out and get, not one, but two recievers to take his place? I'm saying it had more to do with defenses realizing that Moss was the man to shut down, and their unfamiliarity with what the 'Skins were trying to do, than it did that Patten went down.