Anyone else kind of excited about our D-line?

I admit, our D-line is completely unproven. Our most experienced player is the Eagle we brought in. Our next most is Jack Crawford. Our most proven players are probably Tyrone Crawford followed by Demarcus Lawrence who has a total of one good season under his belt. But this D-line is freakishly young and athletic. Tapper might be the fastest DE in the league. Irving is a freak. So is Gregory. I'm really looking forward to seeing what these guys can do. I'd almost rather see what a guy like Mayowa can do than get the usual 4 sacks from a guy like Jason Jones. This D-line has the potential to be absolutely awful. But they also have the potential to be very good and very exciting. I hope it goes the latter.

Absolutely. Lots of raw, talented and powerful guys up front currently for Rod to mold and work with. It's about time he has some real talent to work with. (yes, that's a reference to Hayden)
 
Excited about the interior OL.

The DEs still have me worried. Lawrence, who is coming off back surgery, is the only real proven entity there.

I am confident now with Crawford, Thornton, Irving, Collins, McClain that the DT situation is now much better off. DE? Just don't know what to think but at least three of the guys - Mayowa, Gregory and Tapper are quick twitch guys. Hopefully Marinelli can work some magic with these guys.
 
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Does that mean that they cant bring heat for 12 games? Double DOH!!!!! And Lawrence's suspension is under appeal so could be less or even none.

As for the DL that you claim is the worst ever....let me remind you that 2014 defense had Selvie, Crawford, Hayden and Mincey as the starters.

For the record, this was Selvie's 2nd year here, when he only got 3 sacks

Crawford chipped in 3 sacks as well.

The stud Mincey had a career year with 6 sacks.

And Hayden, do I need to even tell you had a big goose egg?

Tank Lawrence was a rookie, came off an injury and had 0 sacks and almost no stats. Terrell McClain chipped in a whopping one sack. Melton was the second leading sacker here but fell out of favor in the second half of the year.


I would put this defense, even without Gregory and Tank, as being better than that one, so your hyperbole falls short. Crawford is better now than he was then. Lawrence has come into his own and is much better than Selvie ever was. Thornton is head and shoulders better than Hayden or McClain and with Collins we have a legit rotation guy that can give some pass rush from the middle. So we really might only be weaker at one spot and that is Mincey's, but we have several bodies in Mayowa, Tapper and of course Gregory when he gets back. They may not have the skins on the wall, but they certainly have the potential to be MUCH better than that 2014 group.

That 2014 was also a trainwreck at LB, with Lee missing the whole year and musical LBs with McClain, a rookie Hitchens, Wilber and Durant being patched together each week.

Our secondary is at worst the same, but likely better with Jones in the mix.

So, on paper, this isn't the worst defense ever put on the field, particularly in the defensive line.

There is nothing you can say that is going to convince me that we have a good Dline. And you sound ridiculous saying "they are going to bring heat for 12 games". The first 4 games and both at the same time is huge. We need to get off to a great start. And those 4 games are mostly against the NFC East I believe.

Then you have to factor in that it is 6 months before either of these cats gets on the field. IF either of them fails one more drug test they are gone for a year. Lawrence I have a little more faith in. Gregory, I have doubts he will ever play a down again for Dallas. And lets talk about gregory. Basically a red shirt freshman that did squat when he came back. The guy has mental issues and will miss the first 4 games of this year. To expect anything out of him is bordering the insane. Rusty, young, inexperienced, doped up, mentally weak, light weight DE.

Crawford has been nothing but a disappointment since he was signed to a big contract and now they are talking about sliding him to DE the first few games because they are so desperate. Taking him out of position is a bad thing, not a good thing.

Now I do like Thorton, but he is NO pass rusher.

Sorry, but it doesnt fit. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Lawrence I like, but he will be rusty coming back. And will they now be switching him over to RDE where he will be less affective?
 
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DL is a concerned for me, heck maybe some of the guys on OL can work both ways. lol
 
Actually like the interior, but excited is not the word I would use. The lack of edge rushers will be are Achilles Heal

Decent interior, but no pro bowlers to speak of. Solid. I like Lawrence at LDE, but he is out 4 games. RDE we literally have no one that can handle the job. And backups are very thin.
 
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Who cares about competing? Competing for what? Playoffs?!?!?!?!?!
 
Who cares about competing? Competing for what? Playoffs?!?!?!?!?!
 
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There is nothing you can say that is going to convince me that we have a good Dline. And you sound ridiculous saying "they are going to bring heat for 12 games". The first 4 games and both at the same time is huge. We need to get off to a great start. And those 4 games are mostly against the NFC East I believe.

Then you have to factor in that it is 6 months before either of these cats gets on the field. IF either of them fails one more drug test they are gone for a year. Lawrence I have a little more faith in. Gregory, I have doubts he will ever play a down again for Dallas. And lets talk about gregory. Basically a red shirt freshman that did squat when he came back. The guy has mental issues and will miss the first 4 games of this year. To expect anything out of him is bordering the insane. Rusty, young, inexperienced, doped up, mentally weak, light weight DE.

Crawford has been nothing but a disappointment since he was signed to a big contract and now they are talking about sliding him to DE the first few games because they are so desperate. Taking him out of position is a bad thing, not a good thing.

Now I do like Thorton, but he is NO pass rusher.

Sorry, but it doesnt fit. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Lawrence I like, but he will be rusty coming back. And will they now be switching him over to RDE where he will be less affective?

You hate everyone but Thornton and called them the worst defensive line in history. They aren't as bad as the DL in 2014. And no one in this thread has said they will be "great". I don't think anyone has even said "good". I think average would be the goal and if some guys can step up then a little better. That got us to 12-4 two years ago. We potentially have a better offense this year than that year.
 
I want a dline like the cowboys had between 92-96. Lets contruct a line like that w depth like that and dont hold back on the spending. Make it happen jerry. I would definately be excited!
 
You hate everyone but Thornton and called them the worst defensive line in history. They aren't as bad as the DL in 2014. And no one in this thread has said they will be "great". I don't think anyone has even said "good". I think average would be the goal and if some guys can step up then a little better. That got us to 12-4 two years ago. We potentially have a better offense this year than that year.

Ok, well I dont believe this Dline will even be average. At least not in pass rush. I will put them at the bottom of the league in sacks. They were 19th last year. That is not average.

And the cat that started this thread was talking about how excited he was about the Dline. Anyone that is excited is fooling themselves. That is about as nice as I can say what I really want to say.
 
You hate everyone but Thornton and called them the worst defensive line in history. They aren't as bad as the DL in 2014. And no one in this thread has said they will be "great". I don't think anyone has even said "good". I think average would be the goal and if some guys can step up then a little better. That got us to 12-4 two years ago. We potentially have a better offense this year than that year.

Sorry, but the Dline didnt get us anywhere. We got wherever we did in spite of the line. There were also several factors involved in 2014. Health was unreal including Romo and the defense nearly led the league in turnovers. Not likely to all happen again or any of them to be honest.

I will agree that the offense will be better barring injury. And again, that is saying a lot.
 
I'm excited to see how Zeke is going to make the DLine better. His presence alone will motivate them to get to the QB and increase the tackle for loss totals.
 
I have my hopes. They have potential, which is more than they had in 2014. Hopefully after 4 games, DLaw and Gregory come back strong and not have to take 2-3 games to get into shape. Need Collins and Tapper to contribute. Crawford to take the next step. Irving to make a leap. Is it possible...yes. Will it happen...who knows.
 
Ok, well I dont believe this Dline will even be average. At least not in pass rush. I will put them at the bottom of the league in sacks. They were 19th last year. That is not average.

And the cat that started this thread was talking about how excited he was about the Dline. Anyone that is excited is fooling themselves. That is about as nice as I can say what I really want to say.

I'd say Tapper is a better pass rusher than Mincey and is likely to get more than his 0 sacks of a year ago. Pencil Crawford in for the same as a year ago. Thornton might get a few. Lawrence in 12 games might be able to get to double digits or close, more if he gets his suspension dropped. Throw in a few from Jack Crawford, Gregory, Mayowa and maybe Collins.

To me, with 32 teams I put top 10 as good, 11 through 20 in average range and 21 through 32 as bad.

As far as being excited, I think there is more reason to be excited about the DL because we have a bunch of new bodies coming in. Getting rid of the guys we already know aren't going to be more than average at best like Mincey, Hayden and possibly McClain. Potential is easy to get excited by when you have been trotting out guys for several years that never really did it anywhere else.
 
I'm only excited if Gregory somehow changes his priorities in life and then becomes a full time DE starter. Actually, I'm kinda excited just to see what the DL looks like now with a DT that isn't blown back into the linebackers constantly.
 
Gregory has yet to show anything in the NFL. Coming back strong for him means staying clean and getting 1 sack

What hurts us in practice is that the d line is so awful it makes the offense seem invincible. So all of garrett's plays look great in practice. Lets run a sweep to gregorys side, tyron you push him back like 10 yds please. Ok boss
 
If Gregory doesn't come back and play to his potential then this DL is pretty much gonna be crap.
 
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