Anyone listening to Stanback on 103.3?...audio post#52

[juck]

MATT JONES!!!!

Either way I think we end up signing a wr. Our crew is kinda shaky.

 

[Hostile]

I haven't kept you up.

Why take it out on me?

I'm just trying to have a conversation.

I didn't think I was. I just felt like the same message was being shoved at me despite acknowledgment from me up front that it was a valid point.

Yes, if he gets injured all bets are off. He will be gone. They won't keep rolling the dice. Plane ticket out of DFW.

It is impressive that so many people can recall names of failed WR projects, but those have little to nothing to do with this WR project. His work ethic is great, his talent is evident, his potential is extremely high, and the team has high hopes he can avoid the injury bug.

No one is as useless as the hyperbole run amok that fans can come up with. Not you, all fans as a whole. Suddenly Terence Newman is worthless to some fans because of recent injuries. It's a rough game. People do get hurt. I bet 99.9% of the people who harp about these injuries couldn't last a day without one and would put the sissy act on big time if they had one. Yet they get all macho about them from behind a keyboard and monitor. "He's fragile."

It gets old.

I didn't mean to insult you. It's as simple as that. I'm tired and possibly a bit cranky.

 

[Stash]

I didn't think I was. I just felt like the same message was being shoved at me despite acknowledgment from me up front that it was a valid point.

Yes, if he gets injured all bets are off. He will be gone. They won't keep rolling the dice. Plane ticket out of DFW.

It is impressive that so many people can recall names of failed WR projects, but those have little to nothing to do with this WR project. His work ethic is great, his talent is evident, his potential is extremely high, and the team has high hopes he can avoid the injury bug.

No one is as useless as the hyperbole run amok that fans can come up with. Not you, all fans as a whole. Suddenly Terence Newman is worthless to some fans because of recent injuries. It's a rough game. People do get hurt. I bet 99.9% of the people who harp about these injuries couldn't last a day without one and would put the sissy act on big time if they had one. Yet they get all macho about them from behind a keyboard and monitor. "He's fragile."

It gets old.

I didn't mean to insult you. It's as simple as that. I'm tired and possibly a bit cranky.

No problem.

I see where you're coming from.

Go get some sleep 'miserable'!

:laugh2:

 

[jobberone]

If he gets injured again, it doesn't matter how talented he is. He can't contribute and that's not worth the time and energy. He has to stay healthy AND he has to develop. So far, he's done neither.

Assuming he's injured again, I am sure there are plenty of college players with his size, speed and physical talent we could get.

He's lost two full seasons already and another one would be time to cut the cord.

The best case scenario for him coming into the league was to be like Joshua Cribbs, learn the position while playing ST and then develop. He hasn't even been able to do that.

I don't care how immensely talented he is. If he can't stay healthy, it is just words. It is not like he's the only strong and fast player we could acquire.

I would not cut him now. You give him one last chance. But if he got hurt again, it would be over.

He has to start contributing (and developing) sometime. You can't keep stashing him in IR year after year.

We basically agree. You cannot keep anyone on the team who can't stay on the field year in and year out. I wouldn't cut him unless he gets enough short term injuries. Another long term catastrophic injury will create a cut or put him on IR.

We do disagree about his talent. You are not going to find a lot of college guys with his physical talent, size and speed. His is elite. But you're right about having to contribute. I'd cut him for a series of multiple injuries but put him on IR for a catastrophic one.

 

[jobberone]

I remember a guy named Randal Williams a few years ago, he had amazing speed too.

He bounced around the league a few years because of that speed but never developed into a receiver.

I think it's one thing to keep a guy like Stanback around when you've got Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and Roy Williams as starters as the team had the past few years. Now that Owens is gobne, and given the other guys' history of injury, I think the team no longer has that luxury. They need more solid production.

Stanback's speed is elite but it's not terribly difficult to replicate just that. I think you'll have a much harder time finding other players available, esp with a 4th round pick, who have his size, strength, speed, and athleticism. Randall maybe had his speed although I'd say Austin is about the same. But Randall did not have the athleticism Stanback has.

Again, name one player on the team with his characteristics and who amazes the staff and players with some of his plays.

 

[Stash]

We basically agree. You cannot keep anyone on the team who can't stay on the field year in and year out. I wouldn't cut him unless he gets enough short term injuries. Another long term catastrophic injury will create a cut or put him on IR.

We do disagree about his talent. You are not going to find a lot of college guys with his physical talent, size and speed. His is elite. But you're right about having to contribute. I'd cut him for a series of multiple injuries but put him on IR for a catastrophic one.

But that's the part that worries me, what do you do if Stanback gets injured in Week 6, while prior 'injurees' Mile Austin and, say Roy Williams are nursing injuries? (granted an absolute worst-case scenario)

That's the part that bugs me and I guess affects my thinking on Stanback.

When the team had two solid starters and a solid Crayton at number three, you could afford a roster spot for a project like Stanback.

With Owens gone, and the receivers' history of injury, I don't feel comfortable having him continuing to develop.

But I guess you have to give him the chance to prove he can stay healthy and contribute. But I'd have a short 'leash' on it and I'd be looking for a replacement at the first sign of injury.

I think anything that keeps him out of camp is the end.

 

[Stash]

Stanback's speed is elite but it's not terribly difficult to replicate just that. I think you'll have a much harder time finding other players available, esp with a 4th round pick, who have his size, strength, speed, and athleticism. Randall maybe had his speed although I'd say Austin is about the same. But Randall did not have the athleticism Stanback has.

Again, name one player on the team with his characteristics and who amazes the staff and players with some of his plays.

That's part of my position, why does the player have to be 'on the team'?

I think there are more proven, more reliable options out there who could be had for very little.

 

[jobberone]

But that's the part that worries me, what do you do if Stanback gets injured in Week 6, while prior 'injurees' Mile Austin and, say Roy Williams are nursing injuries? (granted an absolute worst-case scenario)

That's the part that bugs me and I guess affects my thinking on Stanback.

When the team had two solid starters and a solid Crayton at number three, you could afford a roster spot for a project like Stanback.

With Owens gone, and the receivers' history of injury, I don't feel comfortable having him continuing to develop.

But I guess you have to give him the chance to prove he can stay healthy and contribute. But I'd have a short 'leash' on it and I'd be looking for a replacement at the first sign of injury.

I think anything that keeps him out of camp is the end.

You and I both have that same valid concern. Stanback has earned the injury prone label. We just disagree about when to decide to not depend on him. My guess is RW, Crayton and Austin/Stanback will be the top three followed by Hurd. They'll put a speedster on the PS or perhaps 6th WR spot (which I doubt) to provide backup.

If any team lost its number one and two WR (Crayton is a 3) then its likely in trouble no matter what. You're not going to get a rookie WR to make up the difference if RW and Austin are hurt. Stanback has a chance to fill in better than any rookie we have.

If RW and Austin go down at the same time then look for a Marvin Harrison or another vet to be brought in. They won't depend on Hurd or a rookie to step in for more than the game they got hurt in.

 

[jobberone]

That's part of my position, why does the player have to be 'on the team'?

I think there are more proven, more reliable options out there who could be had for very little.

There are more proven and possibly reliable vets out there. But none his age with his physical attributes. They wouldn't be available if they did and were healthy.

You have a 4th round pick and some developmental time invested in the guy. Put that with the fact they expect him to be able to contribute with his elite physical attributes and you are compelled to see if this is his breakout year.

Again, while he has earned the injury prone label, but you nor I can predict further injuries. It may or may not happen. Until then you go with the most talented players with the age and potential on their side. He gets the nod over every rookie on the team at WR. By a large margin.

 

[Stash]

You and I both have that same valid concern. Stanback has earned the injury prone label. We just disagree about when to decide to not depend on him. My guess is RW, Crayton and Austin/Stanback will be the top three followed by Hurd. They'll put a speedster on the PS or perhaps 6th WR spot (which I doubt) to provide backup.

You rank Stanback much higher than I do. I'd put him at best 5th on any depth chart, behind Hurd. Hurd has actually done some things as a receiver. And, despite my own worries, I don't think the Cowboys keep 6 receivers this year.

If any team lost its number one and two WR (Crayton is a 3) then its likely in trouble no matter what. You're not going to get a rookie WR to make up the difference if RW and Austin are hurt. Stanback has a chance to fill in better than any rookie we have.

If RW and Austin go down at the same time then look for a Marvin Harrison or another vet to be brought in. They won't depend on Hurd or a rookie to step in for more than the game they got hurt in.

Honestly, I think if just Roy Williams goes down, that this team is in trouble. Crayton is solid, but let's face it, doesn't scare anybody. And the others are all question marks, due to lack of experience and injury history.

I'd like one more proven option to be added to the team.

 

[Stash]

There are more proven and possibly reliable vets out there. But none his age with his physical attributes. They wouldn't be available if they did and were healthy.

I know it's like a broken record, but Matt Jones is.

You have a 4th round pick and some developmental time invested in the guy. Put that with the fact they expect him to be able to contribute with his elite physical attributes and you are compelled to see if this is his breakout year.

Again, while he has earned the injury prone label, but you nor I can predict further injuries. It may or may not happen. Until then you go with the most talented players with the age and potential on their side. He gets the nod over every rookie on the team at WR. By a large margin.

If Stanback was the only guy with a history of injury? Yeah, I'd agree. But he's not. He's one of many that have a poor history. Adding all of those up and it looks like a recipe for bad news to me.

 

[juck]

Austin is made of glass too.

 

[bbgun]

Austin is made of glass too.

He may be injury prone, but he's a real receiver whose production is 50 times greater than Stanback's.

 

[jobberone]

You rank Stanback much higher than I do. I'd put him at best 5th on any depth chart, behind Hurd. Hurd has actually done some things as a receiver. And, despite my own worries, I don't think the Cowboys keep 6 receivers this year.

You may be right but I think Stanback has shown enough talent to be ranked at least as high as Austin. I think he's more athletic than RW although they are different WRs with different roles and skill sets. And RW is very athletic in his own right. Austin is not as athletic. Hurd and Crayton are no where close. I'm not talking about production. I'm talking about skill sets. Every rookie is drafted based on talent.

No one answers my question as to what player on this team or even a FA who has the size, athleticism, and speed of Stanback. Who is it?



Honestly, I think if just Roy Williams goes down, that this team is in trouble. Crayton is solid, but let's face it, doesn't scare anybody. And the others are all question marks, due to lack of experience and injury history.

I'd like one more proven option to be added to the team.

I wouldn't disagree that the loss of RW would hurt the team. We are thin with proven depth at WR. Austin and Stanback have the capability of having breakout seasons. They just need to stay healthy. And there are vets out there to buffer the loss of a RW somewhat. Not a situation I like to contemplate.

We aren't in much of a disagreement here.

 

[jobberone]

I know it's like a broken record, but Matt Jones is.

LOL. I'll give you that one Stash. I like the guys talents. They're afraid of him. Which is worse? Failing to stay healthy or failing to stay on a team because of drugs despite having number one draft talent and being a number 1 WR?



If Stanback was the only guy with a history of injury? Yeah, I'd agree. But he's not. He's one of many that have a poor history. Adding all of those up and it looks like a recipe for bad news to me.

I'll concede your concern. I'm just willing to wait until one or both get injured or even another contributor like RW, Crayton or Hurd. You seem to want to do something now. I wouldn't jump up and down if they added Jones but you do realize he's as great a risk plus he'll take up one more roster spot.

 

[Stash]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stasheroo
I know it's like a broken record, but Matt Jones is.

LOL. I'll give you that one Stash. I like the guys talents. They're afraid of him. Which is worse? Failing to stay healthy or failing to stay on a team because of drugs despite having number one draft talent and being a number 1 WR?

Either way, the guy's not contributing. But I honestly feel that Jones has learned his lessons. He has no choice. He played as motivated and as well as he ever did last season and I think his experiences woke him up and the 'light came on' for him. Jones was always a guy who got by on his amazing physical skills and took it for granted. I think having it taken away has changed things. I think somebody's gonna get a 26 year old, highly motivated player. I wish it were the Cowboys.


If Stanback was the only guy with a history of injury? Yeah, I'd agree. But he's not. He's one of many that have a poor history. Adding all of those up and it looks like a recipe for bad news to me.

I'll concede your concern. I'm just willing to wait until one or both get injured or even another contributor like RW, Crayton or Hurd. You seem to want to do something now. I wouldn't jump up and down if they added Jones but you do realize he's as great a risk plus he'll take up one more roster spot.

I'd let Jones and Stanback fight it out for the #5 spot during training camp and let the chips fall where they may. If Jones, screws up, keep Stanback, if Stanback gets hurt, keep Jones. If neither happens, you've got a nice 'problem' on your hands.

Either way, I don't think the receiver options are gonna be around by the time the season starts. Guys like Jones, Toomer, Harrison, etc are either gonna get jobs or they're going to move on with their lives.

 

[jobberone]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stasheroo
I know it's like a broken record, but Matt Jones is.

LOL. I'll give you that one Stash. I like the guys talents. They're afraid of him. Which is worse? Failing to stay healthy or failing to stay on a team because of drugs despite having number one draft talent and being a number 1 WR?

Either way, the guy's not contributing. But I honestly feel that Jones has learned his lessons. He has no choice. He played as motivated and as well as he ever did last season and I think his experiences woke him up and the 'light came on' for him. Jones was always a guy who got by on his amazing physical skills and took it for granted. I think having it taken away has changed things. I think somebody's gonna get a 26 year old, highly motivated player. I wish it were the Cowboys.


If Stanback was the only guy with a history of injury? Yeah, I'd agree. But he's not. He's one of many that have a poor history. Adding all of those up and it looks like a recipe for bad news to me.

I'll concede your concern. I'm just willing to wait until one or both get injured or even another contributor like RW, Crayton or Hurd. You seem to want to do something now. I wouldn't jump up and down if they added Jones but you do realize he's as great a risk plus he'll take up one more roster spot.

I'd let Jones and Stanback fight it out for the #5 spot during training camp and let the chips fall where they may. If Jones, screws up, keep Stanback, if Stanback gets hurt, keep Jones. If neither happens, you've got a nice 'problem' on your hands.

Either way, I don't think the receiver options are gonna be around by the time the season starts. Guys like Jones, Toomer, Harrison, etc are either gonna get jobs or they're going to move on with their lives.

Stash, I know your fascination with Jones. I wanted us to draft the guy, too. I'm still a fan of his. But we have a guy kinda like him on the team already. RW and Bennett. Roy has his speed. Bennett is not far behind. Do we need another tall and fast WR on the team? Can you have enough of those? I don't know. But I suspect the drugs and the fact we have two tall and fast WR/TEs on the team is making him have to look elsewhere for a job-at the present time.

 

[Stash]

Stash, I know your fascination with Jones. I wanted us to draft the guy, too. I'm still a fan of his. But we have a guy kinda like him on the team already. RW and Bennett. Roy has his speed. Bennett is not far behind. Do we need another tall and fast WR on the team? Can you have enough of those? I don't know. But I suspect the drugs and the fact we have two tall and fast WR/TEs on the team is making him have to look elsewhere for a job-at the present time.

You're right, his skill-set is much like Roy Williams' except I think Roy's hands are better. But, for me, that's part of the appeal. If Williams were to get hurt, Jones would be a decent fill-in for him. Not to mention a lineup of Witten, Bennett, Williams and Jones would be a red-zone nightmare for opposing defenses.

But I'm not locked-in on Jones.

I wouldn't mind the team sending a low-round draft pick to the Bills for Roscoe Parrish. He'd provide the receiving and return element that this team sorely lacks. The 'wiggle' that the current receiving corps doesn't have. The 'wiggle' that's given this team fits defensively for years.

Heck, I wouldn't mind Amani Toomer coming in, although - like a Marvin Harrison - I don't see him simply taking a backup role.

I would rather see another proven option out there among the myriad question marks the team currently has. Which is at least one question mark too many for me.

 

[neosapien23]

Is Roscoe Parrish even a possiblity??? I don't think the Bills ever talked about trading him. What other blazing fast recievers are out there in FA?

 

[Stash]

Is Roscoe Parrish even a possiblity??? I don't think the Bills ever talked about trading him. What other blazing fast recievers are out there in FA?

He was around draft time, so I'd think he srtill would be:

Bills looking to move WR Parrish


Roscoe Parrish, a Buffalo Bills second-round pick whose specialty of working out of the slot in three-receiver sets, may be slotted to a new job.




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Bills WR Roscoe Parrish takes a punt back 63 yards for a touchdown in Buffalo's win.



According to a source, Parrish is being shopped by the Bills in trade discussions. It is not known what the asking price is, but Parrish is available because of the team's abundance of wide receivers.

Lee Evans is the team's No. 1 receiver and Terrell Owens will be the starter on the other side. The Bills also have Josh Reed, who plays his best when he works out of the slot. They are also developing James Hardy at split end.
The Bills selected Parrish in the second round of the 2005 draft. He has six starts in four seasons, catching 97 passes for 1,052 yards and five touchdowns.