Anyone think Deion was overrated

[Cowboy Brian]

No Deion Sanders is one of the greatest atheletes of all time, and in my opinion on the greatest football player of all time. Someone posted his stats earlier and compared it to Champ Bailey, infact there is no comparision Deion Sanders is better than Jenkins and Newman combined, and is better than Revis when he has blindfolds on.

 

[Four]

91 was early in his career, I think he was drafted in 89?

that was jerry curl deion, neon deon, that guy mighta been over rated.

Prime time Deion? if possible the things he did on the feild were underrated.

 

[Doomsday101]

Only thing I did not like with Deion was him playing baseball then coming to football in Oct when the baseball season was done.

 

[THUMPER]

Only thing I did not like with Deion was him playing baseball then coming to football in Oct when the baseball season was done.

I think he did that mostly to avoid training camp. He & Favre were masters at figuring out ways to skip TC. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I think he did that mostly to avoid training camp. He & Favre were masters at figuring out ways to skip TC. :laugh2:

I think he did it because he loved playing baseball. One guy who clearly hated camp was LT he held out of camp almost every single year he was in NY.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think he did that mostly to avoid training camp. He & Favre were masters at figuring out ways to skip TC. :laugh2:

Am I the only one that doesn't think Favre going to TC is a big deal?

He's 40, do you really want him doing 2 a days throwing 80 balls a day? It obviously didn't hurt his game last year, and I don't think attending TC will teach him to stop throwing the ball to the other team when the game is on the line.

 

[Doomsday101]

Am I the only one that doesn't think Favre going to TC is a big deal?

He's 40, do you really want him doing 2 a days throwing 80 balls a day? It obviously didn't hurt his game last year, and I don't think attending TC will teach him to stop throwing the ball to the other team when the game is on the line.

I think you want him there because that is where the team is at camp. I agree at his age I would limit his activities during camp but you want guys there being with their teammates

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Sure you can. Deion wasn't a small guy -- he could tackle fine when he wanted to. He just didn't want to.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure you can. Deion wasn't a small guy -- he could tackle fine when he wanted to. He just didn't want to.

Deion did not like taking guys high if you look at his tapes almost every tackle is Deion cutting the legs out from under the ball carrier. I will say he did not allow guys to get much yardage on him he was just not a big hitter.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think you want him there because that is where the team is at camp. I agree at his age I would limit his activities during camp but you want guys there being with their teammates

If thats the case then why were people complaining about T.O. missing camp?

 

[Doomsday101]

If thats the case then why were people complaining about T.O. missing camp?

Can you clarify not sure when you are talking about. I never liked the fact that TO would work outside of Dallas in Arz during the off season I kind of expect all players to be working out at Valley Ranch with teammates. I’m just one who thinks ball players getting paid million should be doing what they are asked to do and what your teammates are being ask to do.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Can you clarify not sure when you are talking about. I never liked the fact that TO would work outside of Dallas in Arz during the off season I kind of expect all players to be working out at Valley Ranch with teammates. I’m just one who thinks ball players getting paid million should be doing what they are asked to do and what your teammates are being ask to do.

I was just playing.

If Owens was such a poor influence, I'd rather him not be at camp.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was just playing.

If Owens was such a poor influence, I'd rather him not be at camp.

True. Only thing is you have the media focusing on guys not in camp asking how they feel about it and how it will effect them on and on. I like nice low profile camps where the only thing anyone is talking about is what is happening on the field. Last season was pretty close to that and hopefully this year will be even better.

 

[Tobal]

Irvin had alot more trouble vs Aneas Williams and Bobbie Taylor. The thing about Sanders was the danger if you were patient you could complete slants on him all day. If you messed up a little though he could make you pay. I think he was overated and the best CB to play the game at the same time.

 

[JustDezIt]

In 1995, STATS LLC began tracking the times cornerbacks were targeted and the yards and catches they allowed. According to those stats, Deion was far and away the best shutdown cornerback in the 1990s. Nobody else was even close. And the only guy who has put up similar numbers since then has been Nnamdi Asomugha.

Here's what Deion allowed from 1995 to 1998, according to STATS --

1995 -- 16-for-47, 158 yards, 0 TD (9 games)
1996 -- 22-for-46, 225 yards, 0 TD (16 games)
1997 -- 12-for-39, 159 yards, 0 TD (13 games)
1998 -- 20-for-42, 198 yards, 0 TD (11 games)


Compare those to these stats for Champ Bailey, whom some people also consider to be a "shutdown" cornerback --

1999 -- 54-for-113, 830 yards, 4 TD (16 games)
2000 -- 42-for-81, 488 yards, 0 TD (16 games)
2001 -- 40-for-91, 613 yards, 5 TD (16 games)
2002 -- 52-for-98, 567 yards, 2 TD (16 games)
2003 -- 50-for-88, 684 yards, 3 TD (16 games)
2004 -- 49-for-83, 768 yards, 6 TD (16 games)
2005 -- 49-for-97, 680 yards, 5 TD (14 games)
2006 -- 50-for-95, 610 yards, 2 TD (16 games)


You also can compare Deion's numbers to those of the other All-Pro cornerbacks from 1995 to 1998 --

1995
Deion Sanders -- 16-for-47, 158 yards, 0 TD (9 games)
Eric Davis -- 57-for-105, 705 yards, 6 TDs
Aeneas Williams -- 45-for-93, 774 yards, 5 TDs

1996
Deion Sanders -- 22-for-46, 225 yards, 0 TD (16 games)
Ashley Ambrose -- 53-for-105, 715 yards, 3 TD

1997
Deion Sanders -- 12-for-39, 159 yards, 0 TD (13 games)
Aeneas Williams -- 41-for-92, 534 yards, 2 TDs

1998
Deion Sanders -- 20-for-42, 198 yards, 0 TD (11 games)
Ty Law -- 55-for-119, 598 yards, 2 TDs


No, Deion was not overrated. Not one single bit.

That is amazing for an entire season. Amazing.

 

[DFWJC]

I watched many a game when the QB did not even dare throw to his side of the field...and as soon as he tried it, pick six!

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

Irvin torched Darrell Green and was about the only guy to do so. Aeneas and Bobby Taylor played him well because they could handle his size.

Rice wasn't a bad push off guy ... he ran the WCO.... good grief.

He caught balls on the move... totally different M.O. from Irvin who would create space with his body and come back to the football so often. Rice and Irvin both ran nearly perfect routes which is what sets apart great receivers from good ones. Rice played in free space but Irvin created enough space to operate even when blanketed.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you probably watch the QB or the offensive line once the ball is snapped. Ask any DB who ever played against Rice and they'll tell you he was a push off artist.

 

[joseephuss]

Irvin had alot more trouble vs Aneas Williams and Bobbie Taylor. The thing about Sanders was the danger if you were patient you could complete slants on him all day. If you messed up a little though he could make you pay. I think he was overated and the best CB to play the game at the same time.

Irvin had no trouble with Aeneas Williams. At least not until the refs started looking the other way when Williams would mug Irvin. If the refs monitored Williams the same way they did Kevin Smith, Irvin would have continued to tear apart the Cardinals. The refs did the same thing with Jason Seahorn. It got both Seahorn and Williams trips to the pro-bowl.

 

[Sarge]

Best CB I've ever seen play.

 

[28 Joker]

Deion was great. He's a first ballot Hall of Famer and a standard.

When he got to Dallas, the league just quit throwing at him. He did take away a third of the field.

In that 1994 Championship Game, Deion took Alvin Harper early in that game. He wasn't on Irvin the entire game.