Are the Eagles WR Corps in better Shape without TO

[Bob Sacamano]

I only got to see a few of their games, besides the dallas games.

Now I did notice he, Reggie Brown, does drop a pass here and there, but I also think he seems to make some pretty good plays at times.

He kind of impressed me for being a rookie WR in the WCO that normally takes them a few years to get used to.

I am sure they scaled down the offense for him, but still in what few times I got to see him I thought he looked decent minus the dropped balls.

true, but there's always the sophomore slump, or he may prove to not be good enough, etc.

 

[burmafrd]

Lesser offense is a lesser team. OVERALL.

 

[Alexander]

I only got to see a few of their games, besides the dallas games.

Now I did notice he, Reggie Brown, does drop a pass here and there, but I also think he seems to make some pretty good plays at times.

He kind of impressed me for being a rookie WR in the WCO that normally takes them a few years to get used to.

I am sure they scaled down the offense for him, but still in what few times I got to see him I thought he looked decent minus the dropped balls.

I still am not convinced they are that bold to go into the season with Brown as their number one target along with Pinkston, who wasn't much even before his injury. Gaffney is a never was. Unless Jason Avant is better than advertised they are in trouble unless they pick up a player like Lelie or something.

 

[Stash]

Look, this isn't simply "yet another" TO thread. Why? Because this will explain more about how this Eagle fan feels toward what we know about the 2004/5 TO than what we're guessing about toward the upcoming 2006 TO.

The former Eagles TO was a demon in disguise. Eagles Management fault versus TOs fault, makes no difference. TO came out of character by saying and doing things that he believed would get him bigger dollars -- he won; or has he?

The New Cowboys TO is an angel in disguise. Cowboys Management has given TO all he wanted plus more (in the form of a longer contract...
3 years - 25 million). Uncertain about the contract parameters, but I believe it's long term. If TO has truly given up his pitch-fork for a harp, we'll know fairly soon.

I feel as though an albatross has been lifted off of the Eagles sail. I believe it's more productive to have a mediocre wide-receiver corp functioning with the team in harmony, than to have a wr level that dysfunctional to the operation of the team. Brown, Pinkston, Gaffney, and Bloom require more to handle than you think -- especially with an unknown Eagles running game revived. Remember the days of Duce Staley?

Listen, it's no secret that TO has made some enemies ...and not just within the Eagle players. There's a zen philosophy (and no I'm not Muslim, Buddahist, Bahai, Sikh, or any or that ...not that there's anything wrong with it), that suggests bad Karma begets bad Karma ...or otherwise known as what goes around -- comes around!

This is not only going to be one of the most interesting seasons for the Cowboys, and the Eagles ...but for the entire NFL, the press, and the fans. Our questions about TO; the demon or angel, will finally be answered.

TO will get touches, he will get his yards, and he will ultimately score touchdowns ...but just as sure as I am about that, I can tell you that the Eagles plan to minimize that effort ...with extreme predjudice.

I'm waiting for your responses ...I may/may not offer comment to the hounds...but I definitely will not get involved in a pissing contest over conjecture and opinionted comments.

This post is just amazing!

Are you trying to convince someone that the Eagles receiving corps is better without Owens?

Good luck with that.

Maybe it's you that you're actually trying to convince.

You would have a better chance arguing that Philadelphia has the league's worst group of receivers. That's something I could agree with.

If you want to try to convince yourself of these things, feel free - it's your choice.

Just like it's your choice to believe the Eagles had no blame in the Owens fiasco

Or that their Super bowl opportunities aren't over

Or that it wasn't McNabb that cost them the Super Bowl

Or that the Eagles aren't a cheap team more concerned with making money than winning

But I wouldn't advise trying to sell your case on a Cowboys message board

This is one fan who sure ain't buyin' what you're sellin'.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe it's you that you're actually trying to convince.

you summed it up perfectly

that works too

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Its almost like you want someone to convince you that the Eagles WR corps will be fine. Much like our O-Line...time will tell. I do think what Garcia had to say about them is disturbing.

 

[superpunk]

stash - none of us are entirely certain what it is he is trying to do. Aside from the pretentious prose, and ridiculous examples, not all that much was said in the OP. It's called being a sophistocated....oh, what's the word.....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

that was such a dis-jointed post

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I still am not convinced they are that bold to go into the season with Brown as their number one target along with Pinkston, who wasn't much even before his injury. Gaffney is a never was. Unless Jason Avant is better than advertised they are in trouble unless they pick up a player like Lelie or something.

Oh I think he is the only one that I think is a decent WR.

And I don't want anyone to think I see him as a GREAT WR or a top notch #1.

I just was impressed with him being put into that spot and doing ok...considering you always hear it takes WRs a year or so as Rookies to do ok in the NFL and on top of it learning the WCO.

IMO they will use Brown, LJ Smith and that little water bug of a rb in the passing game with an occasion deep threat to Lewis. Who works out as the other two they will have to live with.

I don't see too many other options out there right now unless they trade for a WR.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And I don't want anyone to think I see him as a GREAT WR or a top notch #1.

LIAR! I know, because I read between the lines

 

[cobra]

I think it is a stretch to call that group of football players a "receiving corps". That group takes the title from the Atlanta Falcons of what might be the worst group of wide receivers ever.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

LIAR! I know, because I read between the lines

Now you are being a gay blue rat. :laugh1:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think it is a stretch to call that group of football players a "receiving corps". That group takes the title from the Atlanta Falcons of what might be the worst group of wide receivers ever.

Brian Finneran

 

[Bob Sacamano]

no wait

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Now you are being a gay blue rat. :laugh1:

HEY! I resemble that remark! :

 

[Gent]

I feel as though an albatross has been lifted off of the Eagles sail. I believe it's more productive to have a mediocre wide-receiver corp functioning with the team in harmony, than to have a wr level that dysfunctional to the operation of the team.

I don't really buy into the theory that T.O. tore down the Niners and then the Eagles. San Francisco declined due to bad management and the Eagles tanked because of injuries. I don't think Owens had much to do with either. While he was on the field he was hugely productive and couldn't be called a liability. His loss certainly doesn't help the Eagles offense.

As for the Eagle's current group of receivers, they don't look like much to me. But, then, they didn't look like much before T.O. and Philly did just fine. So I expect the Eagles to do well this year mostly because McNabb is healthy and the defense tightens up. Of course, everyone will claim it's because that albatross Owens was kicked out.

-Gent

 

[DeaconMoss]

I have always hated his 'tude. I can't believe Jerry has sold his soul. He has hired a receiver who danced on the almighty star. He will never be a cowboy in my heart. He may help us win games and possibly a SB but he is not a cowboy in my heart.

But the Eagles receivers really suck now and McNabb is the most inaccurate QB in the league.

I agre

 

[onetrickpony]

Whenever riding a slip and slide with Napoleon in Central Park, always make sure the turtledoves have sufficient Ziploc baggies.

Exactly!!!

 

[5Stars]

stash - none of us are entirely certain what it is he is trying to do. Aside from the pretentious prose, and ridiculous examples, not all that much was said in the OP. It's called being a sophistocated....oh, what's the word.....

Troll...sophistocated troll. Or, HTML boy! Or, "bold word" boy. How about "underline word" boy? Maybe "color sentence" boy?

I got it, he is "SIC" boy! Yeah!!

Or he's just "sick" of his team losing everything in sight!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm not for the Owens signing because it's too likely he'll blow up for some reason. The good thing is that in the past Jerry would've probably traded away draft picks to get Owens or signed him to some cap killing contract. Since neither of that has happened, I'm at least happy in that regard. However, the risk is that if Dallas is looking like a SB contender and Owens acts up again, he could kill *that* team. And since SB contending teams don't grow on trees in my book...that's too much of a risk for me.

I seriously don't believe Owens *ruined* the Eagles. Sure, he may have played a part in ruining them for one year, but injuries played a part in it too. But the one thing that also killed them was despite McNabb getting injured in the first half of the first game of the year, Reid got the brilliant idea to throw the ball 72% of the time when McNabb played. So not only are you increasing your reliance on your dinged up QB...but you're now increasing his chances of getting nailed by defenders and thus creating more opportunity for him to get hurt even more.

Still, the Eagles have a lot of good, young players on both sides of the ball and have the best QB in the NFC East along with a healthy cap number. Doesn't sound like Philly has really been "destroyed" by Owens era to me.

Anyway, I'm not really sure how the loss of Owens would do anything but worsen the Philly WR corp unless they got somebody who could replace him. What makes Owens so good is that he excels at all facets of the game. He can beat teams with short routes (his best trait), intermediate routes, and the long ball. His ability to take a short, hot route deep makes opposing defense leery of blitzing the offense. So if the defense wants to protect against the pass, the offense can just start running the ball. Then the defense is all distorted.

If you look at stats with and without Owens in their respective lineups, they support the fact that both Garcia and McNabb were dramatically helped by Owens' presence. If you can make the QB's job easier, you'll make life for the entire WR corp easier.


Rich..........