Are the Eagles WR Corps in better Shape without TO

[MapleLeaf]

What a concept.

...started this thread it's easy to throw back sarcastic remarks.

I guess the proof is in the pudding and we will see how the EAgles do this year, but I don't see how you have posed anything in your thread that shows that McNabb and company have any answers to what the rest of the NFC has done.

IE. How do you guys defend T.O. this year? You did a piss poor job on Glenn last year, know you have to deal with them both.

Your running game has been nothing to write home about and it hasn't improved talent wise. Acutally it's gottena year older. Where's the threat in that?

Is McNabb capable of rising above the overall improvements of the rest of the division becasue it basically comes down to him in my opinion. He won with a superior talented team before T.O. arrived and now your talent level has gone down post T.O.

Can he make up the difference?

 

[AsthmaField]

SaT,

That's the kind of perspective that I was waiting for ..."fair!" Wide Receivers are important entities, but they do not necessarily dictate the outcome of games. Here's a tip for you SaT watch out for the renewed Eagles running attack (we're packing depth this year).

Yes, I know this is what you were waiting for. Someone... anyone to say the Eagles might not be worse off without TO. That's why you started the thread. So you could read some other people saying it'll be okay without TO.

As a Dallas fan, I can tell you that WR's don't just grow on trees. It isn't easy to find a good one. Heck, you know that from your time before TO. Pinston is the best you could come up with... even after using a number 1 on Freddie.

You started the thread because you wanted to say:

1. TO is being good now (lust like he was at first in Philly) but there's a chance he blows up and creates discord in Dallas. You're a rival fan who wants to see Dallas fail, regardless of how civil you are here on this forum. We know it would thrill you to no end to see TO blow up and drag Dallas down with him. Nothing would probably make you happier. And you just had to come on here and tell us that TO was good at first there in Philly and that because he's being good in Dallas now doesn't mean it'll stay that way. It's eating you up watching everything go swimmngly with TO here.

2. You wanted us to acnowledge that a talented problem maker at WR isn't as good as a very mediocre WR corps that toe the line. You want that comfort like a two year old wants his blanky. And you want us to know, even if we don't agree with you, that a talented troublemaker at WR might not be a good thing. To plant that seed that, regardless of how much talent he brings to Dallas, we might end up regretting it. Because right now it looks like a great move bringing him in and it's eating you up because the only thing you hate more than Dallas is TO. Watching both happily get along must be torture for Eagle fans.

3. And finally you wanted to remind us that the Eagles will have it out for TO and will really be laying the hits on him. Extreme predjudice I think you said. If all else fails, and Dallas fans don't come around to your way of thinking and continue to be excited about TO, then it's important to you for us to realize that even though we have TO... he's not going to help when we play Philly. Philly hates him too much to let him effect the football game, right? Because they're not really trying to stop Glenn and Keyshawn last year, right? Because the talent level of the Philly defense will improve because they hate TO so much right? Nevermind that a lot of the Philly players said they wouldn't mind TO still being on the team...

So, I think that was your main 3 objectives in the post... I hate it for you that you didn't get much satisfaction in our responses... at least you got to get it off your chest though.

Now, go ahead and tell me that I never answered your question.:laugh1:

 

[TobiasEagle77]

I say no.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I say no.

 

[Concord]

You can think and hope they are...But they aren't.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

As a Dallas fan, ... I think that was your main 3 objectives in the post... I hate it for you that you didn't get much satisfaction in our responses... at least you got to get it off your chest though. Now, go ahead and tell me that I never answered your question.

You didn't answer my question! But you dayam sure did One heck of a job breaking down, and laying out some facts.

That said, I want you to understand that I never said that all Eagle fans feel the way I do -- so will give similar responses as you did, but their resons for giving that answer will be different than yours.

Another thing is that I;m Not trying to change one Dallas Cowboy fan's mind here -- the fact is, that I probably couldn't! But you don't speak for all Cowboy fans no more than I do for all Eagle fans! I know for a fact that there are some fans here that would rather remain silent than to agree with what I'm saying. But at least they aren't trying to be a philosophical homer.

Simply put ...TO on one team could be an asset, but on a different team he's a disaster.

 

[BARRYRAY]

Of course their better, the three wr this year, could have, should have, and oh crap I ran thw wrong route.

 

[ghst187]

as for the original question....NOOOOOOOOOOO the iggles WR corps went from the top half of the league with TO to.......towards the very bottom of the league without TO.
Furthermore, McChunky is going to be a MUCH lesser QB without TO. I think the iggles offense is really going to struggle this year and the defense may be good next year but they'll be on the field the entire game. I'm not sure who's going to score for philthy....maybe LJ Smith? Reggie Brown couldn't catch a cold in a Seattle rainstorm without a coat last year. He better be tons better this year. I don't think Bloom is going to ever pan out as a WR.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

in closing

PT's only realy argument for the Eagle's WR corp being better w/o TO, is that McNabb will have a better relationship with his top WRs because they aren't TO, but then again, they aren't TO

 

[AsthmaField]

But at least they aren't trying to be a philosophical homer.

I think you just implied that I'm a philosophical homer or pH.

I really didn't say much of anything about the Cowboys though... and so, one would be hard pressed to call me any kind of a homer from reading my post in this thread. If you want to call me names... have at it, but please at least either simply use generic insults or insult me in a manner that fits the post you're making fun of.

You could use poo-poo head, dummy, ugly, Skins fan, idiot, ignoramus, or fatty.

I've got to hand it to you though... you didn't waste any body's time in denying what I said. Kudo's to you.

But you don't speak for all Cowboy fans no more than I do for all Eagle fans!

I really don't think that I said I speak for all Dallas fans. I merely stated what I thought were the reason's that you wrote what you did. I should've just summed it up succinctly... like so: Fear, anger, jealousy, loathing.

Or, as Shakespear would say:

Jealousy, jealousy, the Green-eyed monster
which doth mock the meat upon which it feeds.
Tell them of a fan who loved not wisely
but too well.
Of one not easily jealous
but being wrought, perplexed in the extreme.
Of one who's hand threw a pearl away
richer than all his tribe.

So you too threw away TO.

(Yes, I just quoted Shakespear on a football message board. Season can't get here soon enough.)

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I think you just implied that I'm a philosophical homer or pH. ...have at it, but please at least either simply use generic insults or insult me in a manner that fits the post you're making fun of.

No sir. I really don't do insults well, I'll Leave that to those who believe they are building themselves up by using tactics to insult people. I thought that I'd been here long enough for you to know at least enough about my writing style to know that I do not resort to insults simply because you don't agree with me ...I'll leave that tactic to others here (they know perfectly who they are - you probably know who they are too). Now, I will defend myself; but this was not one of those circumstances.

Unless you backup and re-read my words again, then you're looking for that type of dialogue with me ...I Hope not, because if I place myself in your shoes, I understand why you're saying the things you are. Otherwise, note that the philosophical homer comment was directed toward those throughout the thread.

I'f I may take a moment to explain that one of the difficult things about being a "legitimate" opposing fans (e.g., Tobias-Eagle, SaT, Riggo ...) is that we don't have the luxury of dialoging exclusively to a poster -- at least I've experienced this. Once we make a comment or start a thread, serious posters will give their objective perspective(s) without jeopardizing the integrity of their fandom -- I respect that highly, and I expect nothing less.
That's why I like it here, because there are many that realize how easy it is to refute an opposing concept or perspective, yet, they chose to carefully use tactics to disagree (e.g., either directly, indirectly, or via humor - but not patronization or via insults or trollization ). I personally do not like to ignore any posters; especially being an opponent fan ...I believe I have an obligation to address any and all posters (until they become too outrageous) ...and having been at the Zone for a long while, I do have thick skin.

That said, you are no where near a philosophical homer. Perhaps I did not phrase my comments clearly ...hence my taking the time to give you some insight about how I feel about that. Now watch how some will twist and manipulate my words for their own purpose.

I've got to hand it to you though... you didn't waste any body's time in denying what I said. Kudo's to you.

No need to try to argue your oppinions - I chose to respectfully disagree with them.

I should've just summed it up succinctly... like so: Fear, anger, jealousy, loathing.

Not really. Let's see ...fear (nothing to fear except the Unknown or injuries -- that's always dreaded; I'm sure you can relate), anger (too strong an emotion to be applicable ...perhaps competitive concern would have been better, jealousy (honestly the only jealousy in your having the 5-SB Titles; even still, I think it's more like envy, and admiration), loathing (only those posters who interfere or block good dialogue simply because a poster is from an opposing fandom.

Or, as Shakespear would say:

Jealousy, jealousy, the Green-eyed monster
which doth mock the meat upon which it feeds.
Tell them of a fan who loved not wisely
but too well.
Of one not easily jealous
but being wrought, perplexed in the extreme.
Of one who's hand threw a pearl away
richer than all his tribe.

So you too threw away TO.

I like the poetic touch!

Thousand mile journey begins with first step.

Confucius (551-479 BC), the eminent Chinese philosopher.
(Believe we should wait until the season starts to determine how effective TO will prove to be).

Now back to the Topic:

Of course most here will deny that the Eagles receiver corp has gone down since TOs departure -- that's to be expected. But consider (with an open mind) ...

In 2005 Pinkston incurred an achillies injury (ruptured); a difficult injury to return from. Pinkston must be healthy enough to be effectively fast.

I believe that Gaffney will surpise a lot of people. The 2005 Houston team wasn't good, so one would think Gaffney couldn't have been much. The Houston QB was constantly being sacked (which could have Benn attributed toward the Houston OL) ...yet, Gaffney still obtained decent stats.

Avant and Baskett have yet to prove themselves, but they have shown to run good routes.

We also have our two TE ...LJ Smith and Shobel who both are both fast receivers, and will compensate for the WR corp.

Add Westbrook and Moats, who are both gifted receivers as well as rb's who do have speed, along with Bloom, ...and I don't think we are worse off without TO.

Did I mention a healthy QB?

While I think that the COwboys, Commanders and Giants have Better WR corps, the Eagles will get receptions that should prove competitive in a very tough NFC-E.

 

[cwbyfan72]

is all of this really worth it? 5 pages dedicated to a debate on the Eagles recieving corps? being that the thread was started form PT, yall should have known you were in for a doozy. No offense PT, but you do go to drastic lengths to "defend" your opinion.

 

[AsthmaField]

No sir. I really don't do insults well, I'll Leave that to those who believe they are building themselves up by using tactics to insult people. I thought that I'd been here long enough for you to know at least enough about my writing style to know that I do not resort to insults simply because you don't agree with me ...I'll leave that tactic to others here (they know perfectly who they are - you probably know who they are too). Now, I will defend myself; but this was not one of those circumstances.

Oh... I thought you were talking about me. I suppose that I did because I was the only one being particularly philosophical, lol.

I'f I may take a moment to explain that one of the difficult things about being a "legitimate" opposing fans (e.g., Tobias-Eagle, SaT, Riggo ...) is that we don't have the luxury of dialoging exclusively to a poster -- at least I've experienced this. Once we make a comment or start a thread, serious posters will give their objective perspective(s) without jeopardizing the integrity of their fandom -- I respect that highly, and I expect nothing less.
That's why I like it here, because there are many that realize how easy it is to refute an opposing concept or perspective, yet, they chose to carefully use tactics to disagree (e.g., either directly, indirectly, or via humor - but not patronization or via insults or trollization ). I personally do not like to ignore any posters; especially being an opponent fan ...I believe I have an obligation to address any and all posters (until they become too outrageous) ...and having been at the Zone for a long while, I do have thick skin.

That, I understand. Go over to CPND, the Commanders message board. I post fairly frequently over there... and like you here, I tread lightly because I'm a guest in someone else's house. I have over 600 posts over there all with little or no arguing. I disagree sometimes, but I do understand many of their opinions, even if I don't agree with them. There are a lot of great posters over there and it's nothing like Extreme Skins in that you can safely say your own opinion without getting banned for not toeing the company line.

I like the poetic touch!

I thought that of all of Shakespeare's work, this line from Othello fit the TO situation particularly well. I still can't believe that I put it on a football message board. :laugh1:

Now back to the Topic:

Of course most here will deny that the Eagles receiver corp has gone down since TOs departure -- that's to be expected. But consider (with an open mind) ...

In 2005 Pinkston incurred an achillies injury (ruptured); a difficult injury to return from. Pinkston must be healthy enough to be effectively fast.

I believe that Gaffney will surpise a lot of people. The 2005 Houston team wasn't good, so one would think Gaffney couldn't have been much. The Houston QB was constantly being sacked (which could have Benn attributed toward the Houston OL) ...yet, Gaffney still obtained decent stats.

Avant and Baskett have yet to prove themselves, but they have shown to run good routes.

We also have our two TE ...LJ Smith and Shobel who both are both fast receivers, and will compensate for the WR corp.

Add Westbrook and Moats, who are both gifted receivers as well as rb's who do have speed, along with Bloom, ...and I don't think we are worse off without TO.

How could you not be worse off? He's immensely talented and even with him there, Philly probably would've gotten a couple of their new WR's. TO along with the group of players that you mentioned would be much better than that group without him... he just has too much talent.

Now, the distraction would be less... even if TO was an angel... because the media will pretty much leave the Eagles alone about TO. And that may be better. However, the talent level is nowhere near what it would be with TO there... and as much as I think chemistry is important, talent is the bottom line in winning in the NFL.

Did I mention a healthy QB?

Now, I never said that I don't think Philly will be better this season than last. I do think they'll be better. I just don't think it will be because they got rid of TO. I think McChoke being healthy will play a much bigger role in you improving than letting TO go to Dallas. McChoke being hurt really dragged the team down last year and with him healthy this season, Philly is already much better off.

While I think that the COwboys, Commanders and Giants have Better WR corps, the Eagles will get receptions that should prove competitive in a very tough NFC-E.

You better hope so.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

You better hope so.

I do!